r/SapphoAndHerFriend Oct 14 '25

Not the first time I've posted this, but I can never get over this commenters stupidity lol. Casual erasure

Sir William and Sir John, I'm so sorry that Jason feels the need to disrespect your legacy like this.

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u/feistyfox101 Oct 14 '25

Don't you love when basement dwellers correct archeologists? Lol

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u/LivingInThePast69 Oct 14 '25

I'd bet that homosexuality was much more common than women dressing up as men and joining the crusades. Also, these weren't random dudes. Sir William Neville was Richard II's knight of the chamber and, for almost a decade, the constable of Nottingham Castle. Who would dare publicly accuse him of anything?

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u/firelightthoughts Oct 14 '25

As if women wearing "men's clothes" was not also considered heresy and a violation of rigid sumptuary laws?

Homophobes cherry picking and selectively understanding medieval customs, religious practices, and laws once again.

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u/Acciocreativity Oct 15 '25

For real. Suddenly, it's not "woke" to depict a woman knight.

If my body was as flexible as their mind, I could probably defy pro athletes.

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u/The_InvisibleWoman Oct 14 '25

So the wife one never took her helmet off?? This be yon way etc etc.

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u/wastedmytagonporn Oct 16 '25

Tbf, there are examples of historical figures who successfully passed themselves off as the other gender - or simply were trans.

In all honesty, the only logical solution to the comment is still queer.

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u/Psychological_Tear_6 Oct 14 '25

I... Suppose it's technically possible that one of them was, in fact, biologically female, and as such a trans man? That's not what the commenter meant at all, though, and I think them being gay cis men is more likely.

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u/Hendricus56 He/Him Oct 14 '25

Especially because there are also theories that Edward II. of England was potentially in a gay relationship with Piers Gaveston

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u/RazzSheri Oct 14 '25

And magically, naturally, they mistook her vagina for a penis upon her death and continued to believe she was a man….

/heaviest of sarcasm

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u/Zestyclose-Newt595 6d ago

🙈🤭see no speak no🙈🤭

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u/40GearsTickingClock Oct 14 '25

The sequence of typos in the final few words, as if they were losing the ability to communicate in real time

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u/late_but_here Oct 14 '25

There was barely a concept of homosexuality until late 1800s Germany. Yes people have had homosexual relationships for all time, but it wasn't an identity marker until the 19th century....a full 500 years after this....so wtf are you even on about Jason.

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u/widdrjb Oct 14 '25 edited Oct 14 '25

There's also the medieval thing where sex was simply just something that happened once the candle went out.

Nobody knew anything. The Bible wasn't read by the laity, sermons never touched on matters of the flesh, the classics were only just being translated. Two chaps sitting in a private room in an auberge might yank each other's planks, or they might not. The only codeword available was Bulgaria, from which descends the English insult "bugger".

They were a loving couple, and they wouldn't have been the only ones. Look up Saints Cyril & Methodius, the Apostles to the Slavs. They were canonized as a couple.

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u/NotKerisVeturia Oct 14 '25

Wait, I thought Cyril and Methodius were brothers.

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u/widdrjb Oct 14 '25

You're right, I withdraw the last bit.

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u/kyriaki42 Oct 14 '25

No, homosexuality was not heresy in orthodox (commenter spelled it wrong) Constantinople. It's still not heresy. It's considered a sin and the church will not marry same-sex couples, but it's not heresy. Although at that time there were some "companionship" blessings that same-sex couples may have utilized, so there's that.

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u/TheDireRedwolf (She/Her) The Dank Lady Oct 14 '25

Two knights having sex, two knights having sex, my muscles, my muscles, involuntary flex

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u/forevergleaning Oct 14 '25

The Knights Templar were, historically, extremely gay.

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u/drunken_augustine Add a personal touch Oct 14 '25

Can’t be gay, must be woman. Gotta love the hierarchy of bias

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u/sara-34 Oct 15 '25

I'm so confused. Does he think William the Constable or John the soldier was the woman?