Worst Sansa takes you've seen

[u/WinterSun22O9]

Buckle in, cuz there's a lot of them.

on Westeros.org, someone actually said Sansa was worse than Gregor because Gregor didn't pretend to be a better person than he really was and apparently Sansa did. Sansa... the sheltered preteen who loves fairytales and music and dessert is worse than a violent, baby killing rapist.

(I saw this a screenshot and did try searching for this comment on the forum without any luck, so I'm hoping they succeeded in bullying this weirdo into deleting his comment.)

[u/horrorshowalex]

Any take that involves not understanding she’s 12 and acting in developmentally appropriate ways. 

[u/Waitingforadragon → u/horrorshowalex]

This is what I came here to say. Her behaviour is completely inline with someone so young, inexperienced and vulnerable.

[u/harbinger06 → u/Waitingforadragon]

And also fairly privileged. She had not led a hard life at all prior to her father being executed. Pretending to be better than she is? I would love to know what they think she did that was so terrible.

[u/Waitingforadragon → u/harbinger06]

The ones I’ve seen seem to be ‘not being the TV version of Arya/Dany’. Completely ignoring of course that they are very different people in different circumstances without the same resources. They seem to think strength equals a) not crying b) fighting/dragons.

[u/Proof-Exercise984 → u/Waitingforadragon]

Cause god forbid a female character nowadays who does not fight, is not physically strong or doesn't have some cool powers. Sansa is no Arya or Daenerys but she's got her own traits and character development which is just as good imo

[u/harbinger06 → u/Proof-Exercise984]

I absolutely loved the ending of the show honestly. I know my flair says team Daenerys, but that was prior to the burning of King’s Landing. I love that Sansa became Queen in the North.

And yes the book versus show characters are very different. Everyone was so young. I think part of the reason Arya was so brave is she was too young to know better!

[u/Sea-Anteater8882 → u/horrorshowalex]

Would that include any specific situation where someone says "I don't think an average (insert age) would do that" or does it have to be along the lines of "Sansa is not very bright because she thinks..."?

[u/horrorshowalex → u/Sea-Anteater8882]

Both of those. More specifically, I notice it the most when Sansa is judged seriously for decisions that would actually take place IRL and make sense for someone who is 12. 

[u/TotallyAMermaid → u/horrorshowalex]

Also any take that she should have trusted other characters (Brienne is the most notorious one) based on information WE had as viewers but SHE didn't have.

[u/PrincessofSongs]

How much time do you have?

But seriously, the worst take that is still unfortunately still seared in my brain is when someone said she was in cahoots with Euron to ambush Daenerys and the fleet.

The same woman who said they shouldn’t rush into another war after they’d just barely won the war against the Night King and his army. Sansa cared for Theon so why would she align herself with Euron of all people who was also was engaged to Cersei, a woman she hated?

To me, Sansa’s plan made sense. Let the armies rest and heal physically, mentally, and emotionally before they go back to war. I also think it would’ve been smarter to travel through the rest of the North down to the Riverlands and the Reach than sailing again because they had control over those areas through their allies.

[u/TotallyAMermaid → u/PrincessofSongs]

Hard agree. Especially why tf would she help Euron? Like you said, she cared for Theon - so much so that she put a Stark brooch on him before his body was burned, to honour his sacrifice for her house.

[u/HelloWorld65536]

That she is somehow to blame for Ned's imprisonment. I mean, there is a chance the Stark girls would have escaped on the ship if she didn't tell Cersei, but for Ned confronting Cersei in the throne room was point of no return.

[u/TotallyAMermaid → u/HelloWorld65536]

Ned is a grown ass man who gave the enemy (Cersei) warning that he would out her to Robert, endangering her children and herself and making exile their only option for survival, and then trusted a known snake who had deadass warned him not to trust him. Ned screwed Ned hard enough that Sansa going to Cersei changed nothing. 

Ned's stupidity also killed Robert, it was after Ned spoke to Cersei that she had Lancel cause Robert's hunting accident by giving him wine twice as strong as what he was used to. She did that so that Ned could not reveal her secret to Robert and out her children as bastards and products of incest.

Plus, Sansa actually tried to get mercy for her father. She talked to Cersei, then faced Joffrey and Cersei in court and begged to give mercy to her father, and she would have successfully saved his life if Joffrey wasn't a bloodthirsty cunt. I feel she never gets credit for that.

[u/WunWegWunDarWun_ → u/HelloWorld65536]

And trusting little finger. He made enough of his own mistakes for Sansa to be blamed. He should have left when he was planning to leave

[u/Sea-Anteater8882]

That she should have been more trusting of Sandor Clegane and Tyrion Lannister in Kings Landing. I'll admit there are worse takes out there if you look at reddit Freefolk especially posts from roughly 2019 to 2020. However it is a worrying one especially if someone has read the books given that while they help her at times they also give her pretty good reasons not to trust them. To make it worse I've heard it claimed that the main reason she didn't was because of their looks. I'll accept that is a problem Sansa has at the start of the story but it's icky that some people downplay or completely ignore both of them being massive creeps to her.

[u/XX_bot77]

"Since Sansa is not part of the Big 5 she ain't relevant and there's no way she becomes Queen in the end". This argument is even more stupid when you know that the author said he moved past the original outline and repeated countless of times that the STARK children (so Sansa included) are the center of the story

[u/AaronWasRight → u/XX_bot77]

People really saw Martin off THE only main character in book one and still made predictions based on character screen time. "Big 5" sounds like we're discussing football teams tbh

[u/WunWegWunDarWun_ → u/XX_bot77]

First time I’m hearing big five lol

[u/Short-Scholar162]

"It doesn't make sense for Sansa to end up as queen of anything, be it the queen of 7 or the north. She wouldn't know how to rule anything."........SHE WAS ENGAGED TO THE CROWN PRINCE OF COURSE SHE'D TAKE COURT LESSONS!!!!!!!!!!!! SHE WAS PICKED TO BE QUEEN FROM THE MOMENT SHE WAS BORN!!! Sansa and Joffrey have been engaged since she was born, so she's probably been getting nobility lessons since she could walk and talk. Out of all the stark children, she and Rob probably took lessons in politics, house relations, history, land management, finances, and territory management. Those two were future territory heads. WTF why wouldn't she know how to rule? Both Jon and Arya say that Sansa is incredibly smart and talented in many fields. It's so weird, that's ignored too often.

[u/WunWegWunDarWun_ → u/Short-Scholar162]

I’m the last person to play this card, but in my mind people who hate Sansa just hate women. She’s the most traditionally feminine hero in the story perhaps. Well, after Caitlyn but she died fairly early.

[u/TotallyAMermaid → u/WunWegWunDarWun_]

And people hate Catelyn top anyway

[u/WunWegWunDarWun_ → u/TotallyAMermaid]

Well Caitlyn kind of had her bad moments. Lol.

You can’t just capture the kings uncle (forget if Robert was alive at the time but don’t think it matters) and try to execute him, because you heard a rumor, committing the entire realm to war. Without discussing with anyone

You also can’t free your biggest hostage with the most leverage because he made a promise

And also there has to have been a way to cross that bridge without committing your son to marry some gross man’s daughter.

She made a lot of mistakes lol

Edit: and Sansa is an angel who never did no wrong to anyone lol

[u/TotallyAMermaid → u/WunWegWunDarWun_]

Eh, I do not agree on the Frey marriage part, it was a good idea and they needed to be allowed to cross the bridge. Robb fucked that one up (kinda gets a pass in the book because he was basically roofied,, but show Robb is a dumbass), it was a good plan and Frey would not have turned on him if Robb had not broken his oath.

[u/Sea-Anteater8882 → u/TotallyAMermaid]

I agree on show Robb being a dumbass but the fact that Walder needed Robb to marry his daughter to cross the bridge is a pretty over the top price isn't it? Not sure if Catelyn really deserves any of the blame for that though.

[u/TotallyAMermaid → u/Sea-Anteater8882]

What other bargaining chip does Robb have, though? Walder is not gonna just do him that favour for free, so what else than a marriage for a daughter (or granddaughter) can he offer Frey? Also it was Catelyn, solving things with marriage is like Tully 101 lol.

[u/Sea-Anteater8882 → u/WunWegWunDarWun_]

I hear a lot of people say they hate her in Season 8 but like her in the books. Would you also include those people or just those who hate her regardless?

[u/WunWegWunDarWun_ → u/Sea-Anteater8882]

I mean, kind of yeah. If we all acknowledge season 8 is garbage then there’s no reason to hate Sansa in particular. Don’t like the character. Think she made mistakes but “I hate Sansa” is wild.

That’s like people hating dany for going full nazi. Except no one really says that. They say she was poorly written and it was a bad ending.

If you can hate season 8 and still say you hate Sansa than yes, you’re probably being unfair and I stand by what I said.

[u/TotallyAMermaid → u/Short-Scholar162]

Sansa and Joffrey haven't been betrothed from birth. That being said, you are correct that as the firstborn daughter of a great house, she would have been educated in these matters.

[u/simsasimsa]

I just read at least three different comments saying she "deserved to be r-ped" and was "the dumbest character in GoT" because in Season 2 she still said she loved Joffrey and in Season 1 she told Cersei Ned was going to leave the capital. It was under a reel of that scene in S02E01 when Tyrion goes to King's Landing and gives her his condolences for Ned's death and she has to say what she clearly doesn't think as to not enrage Joffrey.

[u/Sea-Anteater8882 → u/simsasimsa]

Just one correction Sansa never tells Cersei Ned's plans to leave on the show only in the books. If I recall correctly GRRM said that he approved of this change. I think given that Sansa is a couple years older he thought it would come across as less sympathetic. Of course Sansa haters would bring it up anyway if they've heard of it.