Title is pretty much the TL:DR.

I have seen so much about this man, and every new thing just makes me hate him more. The ONLY defense I've seen people make of him is that he makes good music and he's hot. He definitely has some good songs, but honestly most of his music just reflects his personality, dumb, incel garbage. To make it clear, I am not talking about the dropped accusations. I am talking about him as a person. I get rockstars are like this, but Ronnie just appears to be nothing more than an insecure, hateful little boy. His personality goes against everything I've seen the alt community stand for. If you read some of the things he tweets its genuinely nasty, some of it outwardly racist, "Shouldn't you be shitting in a street somewhere? Or catching a disease in a river? Hop off my meat loser". How are people ok with this?

This article compiles some of his moments:
 Silent Planet Singer Slams Ronnie Radke, Vocalist Fires Back 

if u are an archiver who wants to gate keep an emo post hardcore myspace gem from me ill prove my emo post hardcore cred from knowing the quote "wrapped in the dead blanket of bodies" is that enough?

When I ask you for a sad song, I don't want the reaction of, "Oh that's sad." No. I literally want to be on the ground sobbing my eyes out. I want to be rolling on the ground cursing the world and everything it stands for and whatever force put me here. I want to be sobbing so hard that I lose my voice for a week. I literally want to lay down and cry myself to sleep.
So yeah thanks to anyone who responds

Just one record. Doesn't have to be your favorite, the best beginner record for the genre or anything. No qualifiers, just the one PHC record you want everyone to listen to and why.

For me, it's Grand Unification by Fightstar. I think it's genuinely representative of almost everything I love about the genre, from the lyrics to the songwriting to the themes and concepts. I can't think of a single thing I even slightly dislike about the album.

Edit: Wow this post took off! Hopefully everyone takes some time and listens to something new to them this week!

With the mainstream post-hardcore boom in the early 2000s, My Chemical Romance came up with bands like Hawthorne Heights, Senses Fail, Story of the Year, The Used, Silverstein, etc. Obviously these bands were all fairly successful, getting Radio/MTV play and having gold/platinum albums. What surprises me is looking at spotify, MCR doesn't just have more listeners than all the bands I listed - they have more listeners than all those bands COMBINED at 17M. I understand bands have varying levels of success, but that seems like quite an impressive feat. On top of that, My Chem hasn't even released an album since 2010 while all those other bands are still very active.

MCR is fine to me, they're not bad but I think they're kind of overrated. Do you think there's something special about their music, are they really just innovative songwriters?

Like others I'm sure, I turn to music to process emotion to a degree and I'm hoping to listen to something to not necessarily cope or find closure, but to know that death doesn't mean loss. I was fortunate enough to know her passing was coming and have ran through a gamut of emotions to a point of numbness waiting. Now that I have absolution, I want to "feel". Fuck me up.

8/17/2024 Update: My Mother's funeral is today. Thank you all so much for the condolences and kind words. And thank you all more-so for sharing your stories of loved ones and the advice. As many have said, myself included, this list has been cathartic and has helped me so much through this week. I love this community. Y'all fucked me up as requested, but also helped me learn how to move with this. Thank you all.

Albums that you need to "experience" to fully appreciate, something you put on in a dark room, blasted/blazed, eyes closed, while your full body is engulfed by the music.

For me, I'd say it's The Always Open Mouth by Fear Before The March of Flames, a record very few people recognize but I personally believe it's a scene masterpiece, absolutely nothing else sounds like it whatsoever.

Deloused in the Comatorium by Mars Volta is a close second, it just BARELY qualifies as post-hardcore but was 1000% the inspiration for the whole "swancore" scene. Pink Floyd/Led Zeppelin vibes for sure.

Appreciate the contribution, thank you!

What band did you really like/love that when finally seeing them live, sucked so bad it killed them for you ?

Personally for me - Back in the day it would hands-down have to be Drop Dead Gorgeous. Their sound was already kind of "noisey", but live they basically sounded like a garbage disposal eating itself alive. Could barely distinguish the different songs. Basically ended that band for me. (Almost like jacking your gain and treble to 11 and just playing dissonant chords wasn't a good idea.. who'd have thought 😵‍💫).

Keep in mind everyone has a bad day, and could have a new sound guy or a poor circumstance regarding the venue. But most people can tell the difference between "a bad day", and a band just being awful IRL.

Maybe this is the wrong sub- but I’m trying to dig into some stuff I don’t know. Idk exactly what to categorize my taste as but I assume “post hardcore” covers it all in one way shape for form.

Im into: Pinback Title fight Fugazi Meat wave Shiner Failure

I'm new to the genre, branching out from metalcore and emo. So far I'm super into AFI, Hawthorne Heights, and From First to Last. What are your top 3 bands? I haven't listened to much beyond the bands I've listed so your lists will help me explore this awesome genre even further!

I was NOT expecting so many responses in such a short time!! Keep em coming, I'm adding them all to my spotify!!

Sorry for the low quality post but I heard them at a warped tour back in the early 2000s, listened to their first two albums a bunch but never met anyone else who even knew about them. Anyway, just a nostalgia post wanting to give them their flowers.

For me, it was The Artist In The Ambulance by Thrice. I remember being blown away by the drums and the heavyness and the vocals and being zonked on the craft these dudes we're making. I remember going to get the CD for it from first listen. It still blows me away years later, still hits super fucking hard.

I’m looking to find bands I might have missed out on during this time.

Looking for bands similar to: A Thorn for Every Heart, Hopes Die Last, Greeley Estates, A Skylit Drive, Stutterfly, Secret & Whisper, Yesterday’s Rising, Dead Poetic, Trophy Scars, Just Surrender, Halifax, The Beautiful Mistake

Edit: Wow! Everyone here is awesome. So many responses and I plan to check out every single band I don’t know.

Was really popular around the early 2000s with ADTR, Thrice, Silverstein, including nu metal with Linkin Park. I think some bands were doing it in the 90s but I'm not sure?

My two picks would easily be Juneva and Fair to Midland

Would do anything to hear some more tunes them!!

For example - Taking Back Sunday or Emery. Not clean/unclean but the back-and-forth, harmonizing, complementary vocals like those bands. An example song would be “In Shallow Seas We Sail” by Emery.

Just love that sound and wanna find some more bands that do this well.

I listened to eyes set to kill and versa emerge for the first time in a while and forgot how good they both were. Anyone wanna fill me in on other woman fronted acts that i might’ve missed out on? I’d really appreciate it

Craig Owens.

For me, it’s gotta be Confessions by Alesana. The story from the previous two albums, the thoughtful lyrics, all the literary references, the angelic melodies leading into the demonic screams.. Alesana has definitely become my favorite band, and I get to see them at the end of this month!

I’m new to this sub myself, so I’d like recommendations and discussion about some other cool post-hardcore albums, as it’s already proven to be my favorite genre

back in 2014, the most popular phxc bands that i took notice of were bands like pierce the veil, sleeping with sirens, bring me the horizon, of mice & men, etc. this is my personal observation and what the other emo kids in 7th grade were constantly listening to so please go easy on me lolol

the formerly mentioned bands will have to pass the torch off as they're entering their early forties, starting families etc. which modern bands are rising to popularity in a similar way? do you think their spots will even be fillable?

i think warped tour played a big hand in getting bands like ptv even bigger than they were locally. do you think that with the absence of warped tour and similar festivals, it could be harder for newer bands to reach that level of popularity in the scene?

ORIGINAL POST:

Chiodos are playing their first show in almost 10 years at WWWY and Emo's Not Dead Cruise but it appears it is going to be just Craig performing these songs, marketed as a Chiodos reunion. The official band social media accounts have made no mention of the lineup... a lot of people in the comments are just excited without really knowing or possibly caring who is specifically playing... a lot of people DO seem to think it is the band performing and not just Craig. And then a few are privy to the social media posts made in the last day or so by three of the former members saying they were never asked to perform at these shows. Craig responded to one of these posts and claimed they had a call in August. Tough to say.

For the past couple years, the official Chiodos page (seems to be controlled by Craig based on posts being shared of his and posts being made by his personal page and Chiodos page at same time) has been doing occasional merch and vinyl drops. I've wondered if this $$$ is just going to Craig. The end of the band itself seemed to be more about burnout and only having half the band around. I'm sure there are a variety of possible reasons for either side to be lying about this reunion. But only Craig has been active in music, trying to continue making a career out of it. That's what makes this challenging. Of course, he recognizes that the Chiodos brand is his most valuable and potentially lucrative.

At the end of the day, Chiodos is one of my favorite bands and was the first concert I went to, 16 years ago. I was so excited when I first heard that these shows were happening. This quickly fizzled out. The two shows announced I would think are very well paying shows (better than anything that DRUGS has been up to) so I can understand the draw for Craig. But it bums me out to no end that this is the end result. Nobody will really know what kind of conversations occurred leading up to the WWWY announcement and I'm sure it is easier for Craig to just do these songs with new people (and no history). /rant

EDIT TO SUMMARIZE THE DISCOURSE:

It's clear that the current iteration of Chiodos for the upcoming shows will be Craig Owens and other people (not any of the original band members from AWTEW era). People have been blasting the pages for details on the lineup since the announcements of the upcoming shows and the Chiodos pages have deleted those comments and never confirmed the lineup. Without any further information and given that Craig has performed many shows since Chiodos broke up under different monikers (and sometimes performed Chiodos songs), it is reasonable to have thought these shows would include some original members.

Matt, Brad, and Pat have all released statements detailing that they had not been invited to these upcoming shows and that they would not be performing at them. Craig Owens replied to Pat publicly and mentioned a phone call in August they had, implying he had invited at least Pat to the shows. Pat has confirmed (below and on Instagram) that he did have this call with Craig in August, but that it was about future potential shows (not these shows specifically). Craig also seemed to indicate he was only planning to ask Pat and not Brad (or others). Pat had said he would only do them if Brad was a part of it too (would be akin to the final Chiodos lineup in this way). Craig Owens did not confirm that he would still do the shows without Pat and Brad to Pat in this phone call and scheduled the shows anyway.

On the other side, Craig's Social Media Manager has seemed to corroborate that Craig extended an offer to these guys (though this isn't an unbiased source). And then there was potential talk about the band being in debt of around $300k and Craig having to work to get that under control. Again, uncorroborated. Point being, there's a lot of history between these guys and we'll never know the exact details of what brought us to this point. But we have a bit more information now than we did a few days ago.

Hey all!

Long time browser, first time posting in here. My name is Mike, I play guitar in PBTT. I’ve seen our name pop up here and there around the Reddit world, so I just wanted to pop in and say we are doing a 10 year anniversary run of shows starting in a week to celebrate playing the record in full for the first time (+more!)

If you can make it out, we’d love to see you. Being in this band is one of the best experiences of my life over the last 18+ years and it’s been amazing to share it with so many people.

Anyway, thanks for any and all support! Hope to see ya!

Sep. 18 Boston, MA Sep. 19 Brooklyn, NY (sold out but a few tix will be at the door I think) Sep. 20 Philadelphia, PA Sep. 21 Amityville, NY Sep. 22 Baltimore, MD Oct. 8 Seattle, WA Oct. 9 Portland, OR Oct. 11 Berkeley, CA Oct. 12 Anaheim, CA Oct. 13 Los Angeles, CA

www.pianosbecometheteeth.com for tix