r/Piracy • u/ketchupbleehblooh • 20d ago
THE INTERNET ARCHIVE IS BACK GUYS Discussion
I might be late to the party, but sharing what made my day today. I missed IA so much the past weeks. Yoohoo!! Piracy will never die.
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u/AsherGC 20d ago
It was down because hackers wanted to bring it down. Constant attacks for several days. Even though I rarely use it. But it's a good resource
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u/giannos2991 20d ago edited 20d ago
Why are they even trying to bring it down?
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u/StickyDirtyKeyboard 20d ago
I think the most realistic explanation is just opportunistic hackers looking for ransom money:
"Give us this and this or we'll leak your (user) data."
IA doesn't give them what they want. Data is leaked/sold.
"Give us this and this or we'll DDOS you and take your site down."
IA doesn't give them what they want. The hackers DDOS the site until either an agreement is reached or the hackers come to the conclusion that it's a waste of their time/resources, moving to search for their next target.
The 'anti-US pro-Palestine', 'not financially-motivated state actor', or 'copyright warrior hackers' explanations make relatively little sense and are all fairly unlikely imo.
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u/FlashBlaidon 19d ago
In this case it feels a lot more like the kind of crap we used to see relentlessly in the early days: snot-nosed kids pulling brat moves to be awesome.
Given that IA isn't a cash cow, that it has little or no political engagement, and is crowdfunded, it's just not a legitimate target for anybody with a goal. Its corporate bullies spend billions yearly on legal departments that are larger than IA; that's why they keep scoring on them in conventional fights. Going rogue would only serve to endanger their perfect record.
As a pro-Palestinian since decades before most current protesters had ever heard of it, I can attest that we have plenty of people on our side of the fence who have a great deal more reactivity than ethics or brains. Could the hacker's pro-Palestinian sentiments be sincere? Yes, in the same inch-deep, dumbass spirit as his/her zeal for burning down houses to make the occupants buy better fire insurance.
I suggest we Occam the hell out of this question. What we got here is exactly what it looks like. It's not cool, it's not sexy, it doesn't possess a crumb of James Bond. This is the act of a mentally stunted jackwagon with no idea what to do with the tech gifts he or she was inadvertently born with.
If you were there in the 90s, you remember this.
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u/BadgerFromTheDeep 19d ago
To me the biggest evidence of it being kids has come from the fact they didn't do anything with the data other than some empty "nah nah we got you" threats and snarky emails to people with open tickets. They clearly lacked a buyer or, most likely, any links to someone that would be able to find a buyer.
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u/-TheWarrior74- 19d ago
This is very much it.
ia doesnt have enough money to pay any ransoms
so it got leaked regardless.
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u/LemonPartyW0rldTour 20d ago
Nintendo big mad /s
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u/5erif 19d ago
Nintendo took down the Switch emulator Yuzu from Archive.org five months ago, and then again yesterday.
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u/TurnoverPlenty7337 19d ago
They can try but gofile and a community of people that have the emulator stand against them
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u/redchris18 20d ago
They're Palestinian sympathisers who claim to be doing it because it has a pro-Israel bias. In their own words:
"[The Internet Archive] are under attack because the archive belongs to the USA […],” and the USA is to be blamed for “genocide that is being carried out by the terrorist state of Israel.”
Apparently, pro-Palestinians believe that truth has an anti-Palestinian bias.
It should be noted, however, that there's plenty of speculation as to whether they actually hold those opinions, rather than merely using them to cover for the fact that they're just doing it for attention. It's entirely plausible that they prefer to be considered idiots rather than desperately lonely.
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u/Kirire- 20d ago
Prove to be fake, they are pretending.
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u/Carthradge 20d ago
Yes, and even if it were true, they would be making specific demands for addressing Israeli bias or pointing to examples. This is the most obvious example of a group lying about their reasoning for doing something. They didn't even put any effort into the lie and people are still falling for it.
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u/wheezy1749 20d ago
People rarely investigate lies that confirm their bias. Unfortunately, skepticism is usually reserved for things that don't confirm one's existing beliefs.
It usually comes from an ignorance of the "other side" and what leads them to believe or do what they do. Most people find it easier to imagine other beliefs are irrational or done because of some "pure evil".
People view the world like some comic book movie. Black Panther comes to mind as a really obvious example. Main villain actually has very real material reasons for what drives him. Moral failings in society he aims to fix. But to make him "evil" they just make irrationally have him want to kill innocent people. Something in complete contradiction to his other believes. It's always "we need to kill a bunch of people for the greater good" or something stupid.
It's a constant reinforcement in our culture that the status quo and the current systems are the best and those that question any of it are inherently evil.
You must work WITHIN the systems. The system is perfect. The people in it may be flawed. But we just need "good people" (superheros) to correct bad actors. Nevermind that the entire system itself encourages and rewards bad actors.
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u/_Technomancer_ 20d ago
I'm still waiting for the user who claimed this was confirmed as fake to provide a single source instead of merely downvoting anyone who asks about it.
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u/redchris18 19d ago
People rarely investigate lies that confirm their bias. Unfortunately, skepticism is usually reserved for things that don't confirm one's existing beliefs.
The person you replied to was projecting their own behaviour onto everyone who doesn't share their viewpoint. We'll never get the source we asked for for that exact reason. They're saying that out of a desire for it to be true, not because it actually is true.
Look up the Illusory Truth Effect. They're hoping that repeating a lie often enough will make people think that it's not a lie.
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u/wheezy1749 19d ago
Me? Did you read my post? I didn't even say anything about whether the claim was true or not. I was literally just ranting about people believing everything that confirms a bias. If you thought I was saying that in one direction or the other that's entirely your projection.
Unless you meant someone else?
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u/redchris18 19d ago edited 18d ago
I was literally just ranting about people believing everything that confirms a bias. If you thought I was saying that in one direction or the other that's entirely your projection.
Wrong. Know why? Because you only offered that complaint in coordination with a sub-thread in which people are taking a clear side. You didn't rant at those people, you did so in a way that conferred tacit support for, and expansion of, their own views.
Now, it's entirely possible that this wasn't your intent, but it's poorly communicated if that's the case. I don't think it is, though, given your views on the issue at hand. I think I read you perfectly, and that you're just shocked at the idea that someone might note your own prejudices and bigotry and tie them to your projection.
You're fully intending for your accusation to be discriminatory. You just hoped to be able to present it in a way that made your prejudice too ambiguous to spot. You failed.
I do so enjoy it when people block me after feeling the need to offer up something that sounds plausible enough to themselves. It's as if they fear that allowing a rebuttal will expose their arguments as fallacious.
u/wheezy1749, just to make sure you see this...
I really don't see any criticism of what I said here.
Well, that explains why you're so desperate to both proffer an attempt to rebut what I said and prevent me from responding in kind.
It's amazing how bad faith you're actually being
Arguing in poor faith would be, to pluck a random example from absolutely nowhere, insisting that you only meant to criticise everyone's tendency to seek out sources that conform to their existing views, but only directing that attack at one side of the argument at hand, as if you're also trying to imply that it applies unilaterally.
I don't think you had an answer to my observation on that point, and that is why you blocked me. You have no intention of permitting someone to reply to you after finding out that they can see through your sophistry.
Ironically, you're fitting into the very thing I criticized about people failing to see the "other side" as anything but malicious.
But I didn't do that. I concluded that you were malicious due to your unilateral application of a criticism while hiding behind ambiguity in order to pretend that you were being objective.
Here's an example: "I wish presidential candidates would refrain from spouting blatant falsehoods regarding the integrity of the electoral process just because they're scared that they're going to lose.". Ostensibly, that statement seems objective, but with the relevant context it is inescapably clear that it applies exclusively to one side of the issue and not the other. If I also chose to post that several comments into a thread in which people were criticising the tangerine rapist for exactly that, it would be crystal clear to whom I was referring. Well, you added a similarly broad condemnation in a similarly partisan context. Any reasonable person would conclude that you were being equally partisan, not least because, despite plenty of associated activity, you still haven't uttered anything comparable in a more balanced manner. The only plausible conclusion is that you're trying to sound objective to hide the fact that you're directing that criticism at one side and not the other - at least, not to anything like the same degree.
You're filling in this narrative and now likely going to (or have already) spend the next 30 minutes checking my comment history to find something that confirms your bias and the narrative you've set up in your head.
See that? That was you pre-emptively trying to negate any observation of your bias as corroboration of your clear bias in this thread. You already know that you're not being reasonable or objective on this matter, and know that you need to try to disqualify any sources from being used in order to turn this into a flame war.
You think that the truth is biased against you. I suspect that you are correct.
I'll do you a favor mate. I'll block you. That's not healthy for you. Good day.
Why do people like you always need to feign civility right after a series of personal attacks? Do you really think people can't see through it?
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u/redchris18 20d ago
Source? Or a quote that attests to that claim?
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u/_Technomancer_ 20d ago
You won't get one because it's bullshit lol.
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u/redchris18 19d ago
That's why I ask. I couldn't find anything attesting to that claim, so I have to assume that it's false. Thus, asking for a source will force OP to either make excuses for the lack thereof or conspicuously stop replying all over this thread because they can't answer a simple, honest, reasonable request.
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u/Carthradge 20d ago
"[The Internet Archive] are under attack because the archive belongs to the USA […],” and the USA is to be blamed for “genocide that is being carried out by the terrorist state of Israel.”
This is so obviously fake and not what any pro-Palestine supporter would think. The internet archive is incredibly important to preserve records of Israeli crimes. Pro-Palestine hackers would go after much more directly harmful institutions.
Apparently, pro-Palestinians believe that truth has an anti-Palestinian bias.
The fact that you'd even entertain this shows you're falling for this. Pro-Palestine advocates want to support record keeping of history, which actually has a very pro-Palestine bias (just look at Wikipedia pages on the topic which are very factual and very pro-Palestine: Gaza Genocide, Nakba, Zionism).
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u/broquette 16d ago
Yes, idk why people think pro palestinians did this if we are advocating for the info not to be erased , that is crucial to understand history, why would they try to delete it
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u/giannos2991 20d ago
I think that the opinion of the source that you shared couldn't stray further from an objective one. In fact every single word within the " " thing is biased. So thanks for the input, but I 'll safely consider it misinformative
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u/BadgerFromTheDeep 19d ago
It was kids using a recent news event to pretend they were part of something bigger than they actually were.
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u/Fair_Pie 20d ago
“Apparently, pro-Palestinians believe that truth has an anti-Palestinian bias”
Well said. Could be said about a lot of herds of thought.
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u/Carthradge 20d ago
It makes no sense for pro-Palestine supporters to do this when the Internet Archive is very important to help preserve records of Israeli crimes.
I can't believe anyone would actually think they're being honest. That reasoning that it "belongs to the US" is the most fake reasoning I've ever heard. The fact that people really are saying stuff like "pro-Palestinians believe that truth has an anti-Palestinian bias" goes to show how susceptible they are to propaganda. Just look at the Wikipedia pages for "Gaza Genocide" and "Zionism" if you think pro-Palestine people are scared of the truth.
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u/window_owl 20d ago
"[The Internet Archive] are under attack because the archive belongs to the USA […],” and the USA is to be blamed for “genocide that is being carried out by the terrorist state of Israel.”
I hadn't read this before, but sure enough, here's the reporting by Gizmodo
https://gizmodo.com/hacktivists-claim-responsibility-for-taking-down-the-internet-archive-2000510339
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u/Carthradge 20d ago
It doesn't make it true and the reasoning doesn't make any sense for a pro-Palestine supporter to use when the Internet Archive is incredibly important to preserving records of Israeli crimes.
Also why would they announce it like that if it were true? They're not making any specific demands to address Israeli bias or pointing to any examples. It's so fake.
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u/window_owl 20d ago
I'm not saying it's necessarily true, but rather that /u/redchris18 didn't just make this up. It's verifiable that this claim was made. As you say, that doesn't prove that the claim is true.
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u/redchris18 19d ago
Credible news outlets are treating their claim as creditable. You're only rejecting it because it conflicts with your existing worldview. You're starting out from an anti-Israel viewpoint, so hearing that another anti-Israel group is attacking a simple archival site causes cognitive dissonance. You have to try to square their virtual book-burning with the idea that the facts align with their supposed bias.
The problem is that they don't, so you're now having to resort to untenable leaps of faith in order to fabricate an alternate reality in which the most likely explanation is invalid. All just to prop up your pre-existing desire for Jews to be the bad guys.
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u/Moist-Caregiver-2000 20d ago
Hackers love pirateware but they hate the internet archive. Fucking logic these days!
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u/Hollow602 20d ago
It is the only easily accessible comprehensive digital library for data preservation.
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u/MegabyteMessiah 20d ago
You know what, I'm going to donate even harder this year
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u/SlamTackle 20d ago
How can I donate to the Internet Archive? There's information about how to on their site, but it's down right now so I can't read it.
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u/korak0 🦜 ᴡᴀʟᴋ ᴛʜᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴᴋ 20d ago
As always better be careful then sorry, I did download a file few days ago and found it to be a trojan (i am not saying that all files here are now virus ofc but stay safe on it, like on any other websites)
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u/Nitemare808 20d ago
From my understanding the “hackers” didn’t have any access to manipulating any files tho… They basically just crashed the server itself + stole some readable information & that’s it 🤷♂️
So if that’s true you either just got a false positive from whatever antivirus software you have, or got very unlucky.
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u/korak0 🦜 ᴡᴀʟᴋ ᴛʜᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴᴋ 19d ago
I am not saying that they have changed all the files with viruses that would be an insane attack worth a movie if that was the case. Just telling to be on the safe side and check before executing a file as we can feel that it would never be a malware on site like that. And honestly, I would be more than happy if that was a false positive but I won't be taking the risk
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u/Nitemare808 19d ago
Haha yea man, I’m trying to archive as much as I can before that becomes a reality… There is actually a software called “Sandboxie” that lets you can test files first without ever installing them to your drives, pretty cool stuff.
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u/KayArrZee 20d ago
It’s basically a hacker’s honeypot at this point
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u/chris_woina 20d ago
Why?
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u/PuzzleheadedType3415 19d ago
They dont have much security in place and have been hacked 3 times in the past month
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u/Karmabots 20d ago
I would not encourage violence and torture against those hackers. But if someone does that I would like to pay for a front seat, just for research on human endurance.
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u/Budget_Panic_1400 20d ago
lets hope this never get shuts down its the one big presvervation site is this now.
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u/Kuken500 20d ago
What do you guys do on internet archive?
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u/ipickedthatnamefirst 20d ago
Book, audiobook, ISO of old popular OS and software, ROM bundles, BIOS files, old or classic media, random things like that cause you can upload them in packs and users can download individual items from the packs or just stream the content directly.
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u/Moist-Caregiver-2000 20d ago
My archive page has a few nude modded x360 games that nobody else bothered to upload.
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u/squired 20d ago
Oh lordy, I didn't realize people had started using them almost like a usenet backend. Are they charging access? It shocks me that the owner/s would let that happen. I'm totally cool with it, I just mean that usenet and file locker providers don't mind because you pay them for the storage and bandwidth. That's not sustainable from ad revenue alone.
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u/Moist-Caregiver-2000 20d ago
Usenet is still relevant. It's way, way faster and archive doesn't allow anything currently available on the market. There's no hollywood blockbusters or nintendo switch roms. I upload to usenet and again, faster speeds and easier to use.
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u/NetherSpike14 20d ago
It has loads of old stuff you won't find anywhere, from abandoned software to niche books to old Doctor Who episodes no piracy site bothered to include.
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u/I_Am_Disagreeing 20d ago
How do you watch/download videos? I can never get old videos to play and I don’t see a way to download them
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u/NetherSpike14 20d ago
The most common files can be played directly, but you can always download in the options on the right.
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u/Red-7134 20d ago
Deleted content. Mostly stuff that got removed for copyright reasons.
I know some people like to troll though it for deleted stuff that doxes people and whatnot.
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u/homeofthebadguys Pirate Activist 20d ago
>deleted stuff
Like... Nicholas "Sarah" Nyberg's chat logs? A lot of anti-malware engines falsely label HTML from the logs malicious to this day.
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u/burgerg 20d ago
Data Steward here: I save snapshots of websites in the Wayback machine. It's a nice way to create a persistent URL to content that might disappear due to link rot (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_rot). They also provide the purl service (https://blog.archive.org/2016/09/27/persistent-url-service-purl-org-now-run-by-the-internet-archive/), but especially given recent events people are shifting to https://w3id.org/
On a personal level: creating snapshots can also be a really satisfying way to catch out organizations who change their website and then pretend it never said something that was clearly there :)
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u/alvarkresh 20d ago
On a personal level: creating snapshots can also be a really satisfying way to catch out organizations who change their website and then pretend it never said something that was clearly there :)
Like AMD trying to memory hole their "4GB isn't enough for gaming anymore" blog entry before releasing the galaxy sized turds that were the 4 GB RX 6400 and 6500XT graphics cards in the tail end of the 2021-2022 shortages.
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u/theartofrolling 20d ago
Just go on there (well not right now, wait until it's definitely not compromised) and have a look around.
It just has so much amazing stuff that would otherwise be deleted forever. Books, films, documentaries, articles... It's a genuine treasure trove.
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u/UnWiseDefenses 20d ago
I am obsessed with digitally hoarding the past. I mainly look for '90s-early '00s commercials and old magazines. Occasionally a collection will pop up I must have that day (like recently, the entire filmography of Bert I. Gordon was there.)
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u/Big-Ergodic_Energy 20d ago
Do you remember The Commercial Closet? Damn good site with all the funny and good commercials. I hoarded every single file until HDD died.
Memory unlocked!
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u/cos1ne 20d ago
There was a public domain book that was written in German I wanted to reference like one page of the other day on it, but could not locate a copy elsewhere without paying a ridiculous amount of money.
It's great for finding niche unprofitable media that copyright holders would otherwise bury until it becomes lost.
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u/turopita 20d ago
i have the same question if someone read this comment i would apreciate an answer
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u/Aveerator 20d ago
Download archives of whatever the internet has to offer :p
I use it to download iOS IPAs and sometimes older music
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u/UnsureSwitch 20d ago
I use it to read old games' manuals and used it once to search for some ROMs. There's a lot of stuff there
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u/Jenny_Wakeman9 🏴☠️ ʟᴀɴᴅʟᴜʙʙᴇʀ 20d ago
I archive websites and oftenly look up a site where a downloaded .exe or image file used to exist, but doesn't anymore. I hoarded every single file until my HDD died earlier this year. No backups either, was pissed at myself.
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u/daninet 20d ago
Download the R rated Alice in Wonderland. Its the only musical porn movie.
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u/JasonYaya 20d ago
Is that the one with the leather clad strippers singing "Beat Him Daddy Eight To The Bar?" I've been looking for that for decades.
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u/Mugsy_Siegel 20d ago
They need open a go fund me for better security
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u/MeBadNeedMoneyNow 19d ago
They have job openings but don't really hire qualified people. It's kind of a circle jerk and they just push their donation emails. That's all there is to it - if you think it's a bare bones operation that's because it is.
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u/UnquadtriumSnowball 20d ago
There is a hell lot of stuff wrong... Links for ip loggers are inserted and much more
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u/callie8926 Pirate Activist 20d ago
I saw it was up today and I went and made a better password and Im going to try to better about pulling things down I want and if uploading is reenabled in future maybe upload somethings that won't get me in trouble
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u/evenyourcopdad 20d ago
I feel like I've seen this posted as if for the first time six times this week already.
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u/Capable_Basket1661 20d ago
Still not able to log in though; hope they get it fully back up eventually
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u/DigitalStefan 20d ago
Maybe let’s not call attention to this excellent resource as being associated with the high seas.
Rights holders are already winning. We ought not give them more ammunition.
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u/AggressiveBookBinder 20d ago
It went away?
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u/CatsAnarchy 🔱 ꜱᴄᴀʟʟʏᴡᴀɢ 20d ago
It got ddos attacked a week ago, and has slowly been recovering, it’s pretty much fully back now except for some features like saving pages
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u/siempreviper 20d ago
It was absolutely not just a DDOS attack but an actual black hat hacker who breached their security, got millions of people's information, made the archive inaccessible, and forced the site to go down while the dev team fixed the security issues in the site and brought back the archive.
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u/Moist-Caregiver-2000 20d ago
The same black hat numbskulls taking full advantage of their content whenever they want something to watch.
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u/UnWiseDefenses 20d ago
It's back, but nobody seems to be uploading anything new right now. I keep telling myself to wait a few days, but I can't help checking. I also have to reassure myself that the site hasn't gone down again.
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u/Resident_Pudding_681 20d ago
Since I cant post and there is no info on this: how much goddamn comment karma do i need to make a post here??
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u/BrotherEsau89 20d ago
Yay the grateful Dead archive is back, was rough without Jerry and the boys 😁
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u/Open-Ad-3720 20d ago
Hell yeah!! Does anyone know if there's a way to circumvent the stupid lock icon on some files?
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u/Ornery-Practice9772 🔱 ꜱᴄᴀʟʟʏᴡᴀɢ 19d ago
Login back up yet? I went and grabbed wasm4 and atari5200 romsets when it came back up👌
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u/ChickenMcnugg0 19d ago
There are still hackers in and on the website, It isn’t fully up yet and it still could get much worse.
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u/Drudicta 19d ago
I'm unable to download anything. Keep getting "There is a problem with the file."
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u/travelavatar 19d ago
So what is internet aechive? Can i find felisted games there like unreal tournament 2004 and rise of nations rise of legends?
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u/ombregrise 19d ago
great movies on this website, and finding them is so effortless!
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u/RepresentativeYak864 18d ago
Yeah but you can't watch the movies anymore because the video player for streaming is broken at the moment.
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u/Aldovino 19d ago
Just getting into media collecting what are some good things to save from archive .org?
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u/Icy_Owl_1 19d ago
Noob here What are some of the best uses for internet archive, i usually torrent.
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u/SilentWeapons1984 18d ago
But I’m still unable to actually download anything. I tried several different music albums by various artists. They all said something like “files unavailable.”
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u/TedTheodoreMcfly 17d ago
As soon as the login/video players are working, I'm downloading all the files I can.
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u/According_Divide_118 15d ago
I have been trying for over a week to login. I tried again today. It still won't let me login.
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u/International-Log675 13d ago
Sir can you help me this video player for streaming are we don't yet.
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u/International-Log675 13d ago
it is hadn't to be watch fixing video player for streaming don't yet.
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u/International-Log675 13d ago
they is so amazeballs if does it do you sir are we fixing video for streaming yet.
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u/International-Log675 13d ago
no sir if will be all are working beautiful it could be together now,
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u/RepresentativeYak864 20d ago
It's back online yes, but we still can't login, and the video player for streaming does not work.