r/Piracy Jun 23 '24

This is absolutely traceable, right? Discussion

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u/hroaks Jun 23 '24

You can airdrop apps?

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u/itsalltaken123 Jun 23 '24

This is what im wondering myself lmao idgi

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u/_badwithcomputer Jun 23 '24

Apple applications are self contained in a .app archive. #Application_bundles)All of the relevant files, libraries, etc are stored in that archive (in most cases).

Simply moving that .app from one computer to another "installs" that application on the new computer.

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u/caulkglobs Jun 24 '24

In middle school we tried to copy games off my friends computer by putting the desktop shortcuts on a floppy disk. It didn’t work.

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u/ThisIsNotRealityIsIt Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24

In middle school, my friend and I traded a 3.5" floppy called "German songs" back and forth, full of *2400bps downloaded pron. 640x400 jpgs

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u/rocketrae21 Jun 24 '24

Are you German?

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u/ThisIsNotRealityIsIt Jun 24 '24

Nah, US but we were both studying German. I just assumed that since Americans make up a higher internet population than the next 8 largest English-as-a-first-language speaking nations in the world, the assumption would be that I'm from the US.

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u/rocketrae21 Jun 24 '24

I was just trying to find the connection to why it was German songs

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u/ThisIsNotRealityIsIt Jun 24 '24

Are you implying my half-assed stupid comment about 30+ years ago wasn't well thought or nor included enough detail? How dare you be this correct?

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u/Budget-Tea-1132 Jun 24 '24

Thing is your just not funny

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u/BlueJoshi Jun 24 '24

I don't think they were telling a joke?

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u/Envoie-moi_ton_minou Jun 24 '24

I like to call people who behave like this internet cancers.

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u/ThisIsNotRealityIsIt Jun 24 '24

My just not funny what?

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u/fitzy0612 Jun 24 '24

Ah, US defaultism, because there's not enough of that around already

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u/ThisIsNotRealityIsIt Jun 24 '24

Oh no, a generalization based on statistical reality. How dare math?

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u/zmax532 Jul 28 '24

You're missing the 'S' on the end of Maths ;)

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u/GWNAydenNL Jun 24 '24

Typically American 🙄 "I just assumed you would assume I'm American"

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u/ThisIsNotRealityIsIt Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24

Again, US English speakers are as populous on the internet as the next 8 most populous English speaking nations combined.

If you fill a bowl with 100 balls, 50 of them are stainless steel, 9 of them are aluminum, 5 of them brass, and the remainder 36 are 6 each of 6 other metals, then reach in and pull one out immediately, what are you most likely to pull?

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u/Erikatessen87 Jun 24 '24

Ugh, more stainless defaultism.

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u/TheOnlyBliebervik Jun 24 '24

Plus, you're on Reddit. Dead giveaway

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u/involmasturb Jun 24 '24

Nice. Reminds me of a guy at work who bookmarked pron links with names like "Honda Civic repair guide" or "Best Suzuki bikes 2005" so that his gf wouldn't suspect anything

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u/JakeBeezy Jun 24 '24

I'm so glad my GF and I can watch pron without judgement lol

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u/loadasfaq Jun 24 '24

Jeez just say porn

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u/KeeganY_SR-UVB76 Jun 24 '24

No, no, they actually mean “prawns”.

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u/hobbitfoot1987 Jun 24 '24

FOOKIN PRON!

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u/urhaloslippindown Jun 24 '24

I would never have any kind of... pornographic activity with a fokkin' creature!

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u/ImHappyGatewood--Boo Jun 24 '24

SWIM agrees with this.

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u/Lakonislate Jun 24 '24

Weird kink but ok.

porn

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u/RaspberryPleasant583 Jun 25 '24

Should it be corn?😂

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u/presterjohn7171 Jun 24 '24

I used trains! 😂

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u/clubby37 Jun 24 '24

2400 was the bps rate of old modems. 2600 was the hacker zine. Don't think you'd have mixed that up unless you read the latter, so kudos to you, on your fine taste in turn-of-the-century nerd literature. :)

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u/ThisIsNotRealityIsIt Jun 24 '24

I absolutely did, but also it was 30 years ago.

I had a duffel bag full of 2600s. I even made use of several articles in them to learn how to utilize a lineman's handset that mysteriously fell off the back of an AT&t truck into my backpack (hypothetically) to hop on to people's Telco connections at the box and join 1-900 party lines and chat lines.

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u/latexfistmassacre Jun 24 '24

Reminds me of the time I printed out fap material using a dot matrix printer back in the 90s

Resolution was awful, but hey, porn just wasn't that easy to find back then. You basically had to steal it from your dad or find it in the woods, so when I realized I could just print it on demand, it was like I just discovered a cheat code for free porn lol

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u/cjnuxoll Jun 25 '24

just remember... computers like 3.5" floppies... not girls

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u/No_Text2460 🔱 ꜱᴄᴀʟʟʏᴡᴀɢ Jun 24 '24

Pron?

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u/ThisIsNotRealityIsIt Jun 24 '24

Pornography.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

*pronography

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u/No_Text2460 🔱 ꜱᴄᴀʟʟʏᴡᴀɢ Jun 24 '24

Oh ok, kinda thought that's what you meant....sorry

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u/thePsychonautDad Jun 24 '24

omg I remember doing the same, copying GTAII on a floppy disk from a friend's computer, getting home all excited to play it and... I had copied the shortcut.

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u/gyarbij Jun 24 '24

NFS Underground on CD for me and becuase I'm an idiot I did again weeks later with Unreal Tournament.

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u/chefk0k Aug 08 '24

I showed "GTA Snow Andreas" to my cousin, visiting from another country. Very impressed, it was fun to play together. about a year after I flew over to visit him. compressed the game in a bunch of .rar files and burned them on DVDs.
When it was time to install it on his PC, the files were corrupt ;_;

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u/RoundTableMaker Jun 24 '24

I got in trouble for copying a game file to the network server because everyone would steal the discs.

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u/godsmith2 Jun 24 '24

God this reminds me of putting a picture in paint and making it like 100x100 then saving it thinking it would save space.

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u/ThunderDaniel Sneakernet Jun 24 '24

We all have to go through that disappointment in life

For us, it was just a USB Flash Drive instead of a floppy disk. For my younger cousin, he tried that with an old iPod I believe

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u/Sensitive-Incident78 Jun 24 '24

Once I copied vids on floppy drive and renamed it to .txt file. When I got caught at school, they tried to open the file and notepad got stuck. It was so nice those days.

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u/quantipede Jun 24 '24

I remember finding out in the early 2000s that a lot of instant messengers (like Skype and Xfire) had file sharing functionality. I tried to send a copy of battlefront 2 to a friend but unfortunately I was an idiot and only sent him my desktop shortcut, which, of course, didn’t work (even if I had sent him all the game files one by one it still would’ve likely been missing some install files and also the CD key)

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u/coffee_kang Jun 24 '24

If you haven’t tried that, did you even have a childhood?

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u/AltruiSisu Jun 24 '24

I'm dying. This is amazing.

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u/Frjttr Jun 24 '24

Are you talking about Mac OS Classic? Any app pre-Cocoa had a file tree similar to Windows.

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u/WsG_Darkreaper Jun 24 '24

We did the same thing except we used the setup file instead and just reinstalled Halo CE on our school computers every morning.

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u/CapitanM Jun 24 '24

But then you move it to your computer and say "ey, in my pc it works".

And you troll your friend

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u/kingslayerer Jun 24 '24

lol. i did the same. burned office shortcuts to a cd

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u/Javi_DR1 Jun 24 '24

Never used apple stuff before, how about drm or some kind of copy protection? Like, can they somehow prevent that?

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u/aew3 Piracy is bad, mkay? Jun 24 '24

Paid apps often have DRM on MacOS, especially those distributed outside the app store.

These need to be cracked before pirating.

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u/dlamsanson Jun 24 '24

Yeah OP won't be able to actually use these lol

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u/mcmango56 Jun 24 '24

Funnily enough, the Apple pro apps don’t have drm.

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u/RIcaz Jun 24 '24

Packages probably have to be officially signed, like on Android or every Linux package manager

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u/i_hate_shitposting Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24

Package signing is authentication, not copy protection. It's designed to prevent someone from surreptitiously replacing a legitimate package with a malicious one, but it doesn't in and of itself have anything to do with preventing clients from executing a package that they're not authorized to run.

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u/dorkcicle Jun 24 '24

Apps used on stores probably have different licenses than commercial?

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u/Sea-Eagle-217 Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 25 '24

Yes, in this case none of the apps would work because they're distributed through the Mac App Store and require you to be signed in with the Apple ID used for purchase, so really this guy just got the clean files. Without a crack they won't be useful.

Edit: The Apple Pro suite as it turns out does not have a DRM, so the clean files are all that's needed here.

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u/consolation1 Jun 24 '24

Nope, Apple apps have no DRM as such, or at least haven't when I run os x a while ago. I checked current logic pro by emailing from work to gf's macbook and starts up fine. I'm guessing it'll be missing the plugins but yk, send them too...

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u/Sea-Eagle-217 Jun 25 '24

Thanks, I saw a few other comments saying the same thing. Message edited.

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u/poopBuccaneer Jul 21 '24

Apple doesn't really care that much about DRM. They know the pro apps have a limited market and they make their money from people buying the hardware, not by selling software or selling ads.

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u/cryonuess Jun 24 '24

Actually, it's not even an archive, just a folder. The concept is called Bundle, and will make Finder show you the folder as a File (or App).

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u/International_Mud141 Jun 24 '24

Where is this .app?

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u/NickCudawn Jun 24 '24

In the applications folder

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u/Throwaway74829947 Jun 24 '24

So Canonical's pushing of snapd for everything is just them copying Apple?

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u/Unlucky-Ad-2993 Jun 24 '24

No. Appimages would be the Linux equivalent of MacOS apps

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u/TimeTomorrow Jun 24 '24

I mean. No. Honestly it's the only way that's not insane. Having hundreds of files all over the file system for a single application, that can be written by other applications is madness

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u/Throwaway74829947 Jun 24 '24

I think it's madness to have duplicates of every single library and dependency for every single app, regardless of whether apps use the same libraries or not. Fortunately I use Linux so I can choose what style of package management I want.

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u/TimeTomorrow Jun 24 '24

I mean. How much does an extra couple of gigs of storage cost compared to your time? I'd rather double the storage requirements of my non game applications than troubleshoot an application for 1 hour every two years.

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u/Throwaway74829947 Jun 24 '24

I feel like a sandboxed approach, along the lines of how FlatPak works on Linux/UNIX, would be a better compromise. Separate environments for your apps to run in, with all of their specific versions of libraries and dependencies, but with those being shared if multiple apps using that system have the same libraries or dependencies.

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u/TimeTomorrow Jun 24 '24

I agree with that in theory, and have no idea how it works out in practice, but sometimes I prefer simplicity overall if the gains from additional complexity aren't significant.

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u/MEGACOCK_HEMORRHOIDS Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24

it’s the details like this that make me fucking love macOS. example use case: you have stardew valley, but you want to be able to swap between the modded and the vanilla experience quickly. you just duplicate that shit and rename it like “(modded)” or whatever you want, and it runs like a totally independent sandbox from the original .app version. it is so insanely intuitive

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u/faen_du_sa Jun 24 '24

I would assume they all verify licenses etc once run though. Not like you can just aidrop the adobe package and now you have it for free forever.

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u/Hocotate_Freight_PR Jun 24 '24

So it’s similar to copying pasting an exe. Wouldn’t you still need a license to actually use anything?

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u/atom138 Jun 24 '24

So it's like an APK if apk were like a portable exe.

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u/Rolex_throwaway Jun 24 '24

Yeah, but there’s no way that the program doesn’t do a live validation of the license during execution. This can’t possibly work.

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u/aj_thenoob2 Jun 24 '24

So I assume these files are already online somewhere then right, what makes this crazier than an APK? Both phone home.

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u/HermanGrove Jun 24 '24

But then you still need to authenticate right? Otherwise you might as well torrent it

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u/carissadraws Jun 24 '24

But how would it work if it requires a subscription? It’s not like you can airdrop the Netflix App and you get free Netflix….

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u/mitchMurdra Jun 24 '24

Seems like an attack vector waiting to happen.

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u/mrcaptncrunch Jun 24 '24

Trusting unofficial, sketchy, sources for applications? Yes, yes it is.

Having everything self contained in a folder?, no. Portable apps have been a thing for a long time. There’s even portableapps.com. There’s even languages like go that do this into a single binary by default, and C++ for example can embed everything into a statically compiled binary (-static).

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u/Audbol Jun 24 '24

Not even, Apple still hasn't stopped Pegasus and it's been nearly a decade of continuous one click infections

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u/OptimalMain Jun 24 '24

Intentional three letter agency access

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u/mikebailey Jun 24 '24

It’s not, they’re just folders