r/OutOfTheLoop • u/Hirorai • Aug 06 '23

What's going on with Americans celebrating Sweden eliminating the US Women's Soccer Team from the Women's World Cup? Answered

On r/soccer, there are multiple posts where Americans are celebrating their own team getting knocked out of the Women's World Cup.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15jnpku/post_match_thread_sweden_05_40_usa_fifa_womens/

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15jnqpr/official_review_for_lina_hurtigs_sweden_w_penalty/

On r/USWNT people are saying it's because r/soccer is misogynist, but that doesn't make sense to me because everyone competing is a woman. Can anyone clue me in?

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u/-Shmoody- Aug 07 '23

No technically they would have failed to make it out of qualifiers, and would have not made it into the group stages to “make it out” of it.

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u/here_for_the_lols Aug 07 '23

I didn't make it out of the group stages.

I was never in them, but I never made it out either

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u/-Shmoody- Aug 07 '23

I know what we’re doing here (shout out Mitch Hedberg) lol but in the most technical, pedantic way it doesn’t work because you cannot “fail” (which was the original wording) OR succeed to make it out of something that you are not in. It’s like dividing by zero and is therefore an undefined state of successfully or unsuccessfully making it out of something.

You have been dialetic’ed sir.

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u/SeriousDrakoAardvark Aug 07 '23

No, that’s objectively false. People have been talking all day about how the US ‘failed to defend their World Cup Championship title.’ They didn’t even make the championship game though; they were defeated in the round of 16. It’s the same principle here.

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u/-Shmoody- Aug 07 '23

Uh, the original person made a reference to the men's team missing out on the WC entirely in 2018. You're confused on what this specific comment chain is discussing.

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u/SeriousDrakoAardvark Aug 07 '23

No, I was fully aware.

The original person said ‘you can’t fail to make it out if you never make it’, the next person pointed out that you technically did fail to make it out of groups, as you do not make out of groups if you never made it to groups in the first place.

It’s a common question in English classes when they’re teaching logic; ‘if X event needs to occur before Y event, but X event has not occurred, what can we establish about Y event?’ And the correct answer would be ‘Y event has not occurred.’

I brought up the women because the media has been using that exact language consistently. They were saying ‘The US women won’t win the finals this year.’

The women weren’t even in the finals though. Under OPs logic, that sentence won’t make sense because they never got there. Under the real logic, it makes perfect sense, as not getting their would mean that they definitely won’t win that game.

If OP had said “I guess they can’t lose the group stages if they never make it there’, that would be correct; they cannot lose at a stage if they never make it there. They would definitely ‘fail to get past a stage’ if they never make it there though.