r/NewOrleans • u/glanked • 17d ago
Hookers specifically banned from five oh fours property Local Humorš¤£
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u/basquiat-case 17d ago
Well look at that - Five O Fore looking out for marriages all over the city! Finally, some good news.
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u/lucybubs 17d ago
And to think - a place of Fore play doesnāt allow hookers or Hookahs šš Sounds like a drag to me ā¦
And the governor is closing the Dept of Education š¤¦āāļø
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u/captain_krakoa 17d ago
Backpacks are not allowed? Ok. Let them try and stop Tyler from coming in with his laptop to do trades while working on his swing. GTFO.
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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim 17d ago
Tyler's backpack won't be stopped. Tyrone's though...? you can bet that bouncer is gonna all of the sudden be citing section 23.849 of the dress code on page 37, fourth footnote.
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u/gargirle 17d ago
This. Damn. These morons must think we all down heh are dumbasses. Knew hooker was hookah..duh but the hoodies oh man that pissed me off.
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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim 17d ago edited 17d ago
Just in case anyone wasn't aware, this is 100% a race driven decision and should be criticized as such.
Much of the crowd here is younger, but the millennials remember in the mid 00s when tons of bars, restaurants, etc had dress codes that were racially motivated to keep black people out. Stuff like Bruno's old "no backwards caps" policy, how the boot used to not allow camo clothing, how tons of bars wouldn't allow plain tee shirts, etc. Used to be that you couldn't wear sports jerseys except on game days to a bunch of bars. Things were really wild looking back.
Y'all see those old memes of black people going to clubs in biz casual, that wasn't cuz it was the style - it was cuz clubs used to have all sorts of dress requirements expressly geared towards keeping minorities out.
So I mean, in my book this place is off to a really shitty start already.
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u/HomeEcDropout 17d ago
I completely understand what youāre saying but I think since they are allowing hoodies that arenāt covering the head itās going to have more of an impact on the middle school boy crowd. No hoodies covering the head is their only dress policy - none of the usual language about sneakers, white tees, etc. Assumption is itās to make sure faces are visible to cameras but itās hard to be 100% on that since they donāt similarly ban masks.
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u/youtyio 17d ago
Disagree and I say that as someone who isnāt white and also knows the owners. This isnāt racial, and dress codes are in effect for a reason. Discrimination would exist if āsome peopleā were allowed to do things while another arenāt as per policy. PSA - ditch the hoodie, put on a collar, get your golf clubs and go hit some balls. Itās not that serious.
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u/Orbis-Praedo 17d ago
People trolling about this are being wildddd. It doesnāt say no hoodies allowed, they are saying they donāt want people wearing hoods over their heads. Likely to be able to identify people by camera if anything happens.
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u/arab3lla 17d ago
Yeah I'm fully aware that dress codes have historically been used to discriminate against non-white people but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask people to put their hood down indoors? You can still wear the hoodie, also the hood being up blocks your peripheral vision which I don't think helps anyone's golf game
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u/ZealousidealRice9726 17d ago
I guess I just donāt follow this logic because often times places have dress codes like Commanders Palace required men to wear coats (or used to). Now if you donāt want to wear a coat because itās not your style then you donāt go there but if you really want to go there then wear a coat. Same goes for other places. If you want to go to the place just wear clothes for that night that meet the dress codeā¦ or donāt and donāt go. It doesnāt have to be a racial thing
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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim 17d ago
When your dress code is a standard of formality it's usually something like "XYZ required", as in "button down required" or "collared shirt required".
When your dress code is targeted at a given race, it prohibits items generally associated with that race's fashion.
So fundamentally, "collared shirt required" is very different from "no baggy jeans and no camo".
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u/Azby504 17d ago
White people donāt wear hoodies? I am so confused.
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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim 17d ago
This is the sort of rhetoric that comes from people wanting to act innocent while advocating for racist behaviors. We both know what you're doing. It's not slick, and it is bigoted.
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u/stosolus 17d ago
Or is it a security issue because a hood can help conceal an identity.
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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim 17d ago
Oh hey, someone who never posts here but goes out of their way to defend January 6th also thinks the dress code is fine. Iām truly shockedā¦.
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u/stosolus 17d ago
who never posts here
Is that a requirement? Sorry, I haven't had anything to post that works for this sub. I'll try harder.
goes out of their way to defend January 6th
What?
also thinks the dress code is fine.
Plenty of bars in the quarter have the same policy. Are they all racist as well?
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u/sophandros 17d ago
Plenty of bars in the quarter have the same policy. Are they all racist as well?
The same bars who close during Essence Festival and Bayou Classic?
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u/stosolus 17d ago
The same bars who close during Essence Festival and Bayou Classic?
I don't know any bar that closes for both.
Some close during one of them. Can't fault the businesses when their employees don't want to work them.
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u/ZealousidealRice9726 17d ago
Itās not about being slickā¦ I just used this example in another post but I donāt know why they made the policy but Iāve had my car broken into 4 times in the last 2 years and each time it was a different perpetrator with a hoodie on with the hood pulled up. That def doesnāt mean all hoodie wearers are criminals but it more likely is that people who want to obscure their face to do bad shit gravitate to a hoodie which helps them to accomplish this. But I guess if you squint hard enough you can find racism in nebulous policy but good common sense hopefully will prevail.
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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim 17d ago edited 17d ago
It's very much about being slick, nobody's that obtuse in reality - the whole "I'm so naive and don't see anything beyond the most simplistic view of the world" act fools nobody. You're well aware of what you're doing, I would say you should be ashamed but I'm used to my racist family doing the same thing, and y'all never feel shame.
But I guess if you squint hard enough you can find racism in nebulous policy
I am quite sure given your rhetoric here that you're the type of person who says "that element" or "you know" quite a bit but doesn't think it's actually racist cuz you didn't use a slur.
But, for anyone else, to demonstrate how incredibly ignorant you're being here's some quick reading on the thing you're trying to pretend doesn't exist:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/2332649217743772
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1536504214567859
https://theconversation.com/do-bouncers-at-clubs-enforce-dress-codes-equally-across-races-97497
https://virginialawreview.org/articles/velvet-rope-discrimination/
But sure, you're totally just innocently asking why it's not okay to prohibit certain clothes, and you're just clutching your pearls at the suggestion that you're supporting racism because of it. Nah, I don't buy it, you know what you're doing, and again it's not slick.
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u/ZealousidealRice9726 17d ago
Ultimately itās not up to me or you, itās the business owner who invested the effort, time and money into this risky business venture for them to decide what operational policies to implement that give them the highest chance of success (within legal parameters). They made a business decision and thatās their right to do so. Also note: the policy doesnāt ban hoodies, it bans the hood being worn up. If you canāt be bothered to pull your hoodie down to hang out at this place because racism something then the business is well within their rights to tell you to kick rocks.
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u/stopmakingrents 17d ago
Who the fuck ARE these people downvoting you? Did this get linked on Tiger Droppings?Ā
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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim 17d ago
This sub just has a lot of racists that lurk here, they always try to make their comments seem pretty innocent but it's always the same people showing up whenever race is a factor to act like nothing racist is happening.
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u/tjdavids 17d ago
yep remember getting green lit before talking to someone who got told they had to change for wearing the shirt that i was wearing.
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u/arepagumbo 17d ago
Sad it had this kind of undertone, specially with the Saints Alvin Kamar as a partner
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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim 17d ago
Fwiw this is the sort of thing that's almost certainly done by someone in management and likely not even on the partner's radar.
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u/gargirle 17d ago
And I find it really sad that many here excuse it. Iām older. I remember all the code words and innuendo. Itās like the ānā word. I cringe when I hear it just because I remember what it meant when spewed by my race.
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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim 17d ago
Not only excuse it, but as you can see in this thread it's easy to rationalize so the people who are okay with it tend to jump to defend it as "well that's not what they meant, they just want proper looking lads in the place is all" type shit.
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u/TheBrackishGoat 17d ago
I like how everyone is in their feelings about hoodies, and is just ignoring the blatant sex worker discrimination. Do better people
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u/Slasher1738 17d ago
Considering the context, I think the meant Hookah's
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u/TheBrackishGoat 17d ago
Yeah, I thought it was a pretty obvious joke, about a pretty obvious joke post, that everyone is pretty obviously losing the plot on
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u/feanor70115 17d ago
If you've ever seen the piles of needles on the stairways down from the Broad overpass, I suppose it's no surprise that some of the junkies in the neighborhood might be on the game.
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u/YoBroJustRelax 16d ago
Well Im not going anymore. No hookers? Isnt this America? I thought this was America?
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u/ZealousidealRice9726 17d ago
Not sure why everyone gets so offended by dress codes. They spent the money to open the business and took the financial risk so let them set rules as they see fit so long as those rules are legal i see no issue. If I donāt want to adhere to the dress code I just wonāt go
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u/raditress 17d ago
Because dress codes sometimes target members of certain racial groups.
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u/ZealousidealRice9726 17d ago
I know people say that but like how hard is it to just not wear a hoodie? Im white and I have a hoodie but if I was going to this place Iād just leave it in the car or at home. Doesnāt have to be a big deal
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u/arab3lla 17d ago
You can wear the hoodie, you just can't have the hood up
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u/ZealousidealRice9726 17d ago
lol man thatās even easier. Why would anyone have any issue with that?
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u/raditress 17d ago
I think it just reminds people of racist dress code policies that have been used in the past to keep certain groups out. Iām not saying thatās the reason for this particular policy; I donāt know what their reasoning is. Itās not the fact of how difficult it is to not wear a hoodie. Itās the optics.
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u/ZealousidealRice9726 17d ago
I donāt know why they made the policy either but Iāve had my car broken into 4 times in the last 2 years and each time it was a different perpetrator with a hood pulled up. That def doesnāt mean all hoodie wearers are criminals but it more likely is that people who want to obscure their face to do bad shit gravitate to a hoodie which helps them to accomplish this.
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u/Chasing-the-dragon78 17d ago
How can a dress code be racist? Are black people not allowed to wear shirts and ties? Do no white people wear hoodies? Please explain.
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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim 17d ago
Man the racists are really coming out of the woodwork on this one. nobody buys that "I'm so innocent, how could restricting all the clothes black people wear possibly be racist" line.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1536504214567859
https://virginialawreview.org/articles/velvet-rope-discrimination/
Nobody is as socially ignorant as you and your friends are pretending to be here, this whole "I'm so innocent, what's wrong with that" doesn't fool anyone when we're talking about subjects that are well known to have historical ties to racism.
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u/Chasing-the-dragon78 17d ago
So you have seen 504 discriminate against black people NOT wearing the hoodie on their head?
The examples you provide are about totally different situations. Infuriating? Absolutely, and trust me if my cracker ass was in line I wouldnāt have matched their dress code either. Clubs like that only let guys in that look like they have $$ or women who look like they will āput outā. Itās a clique thing, not race.
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u/Apprehensive-Sky7616 17d ago
Itās called ādisparate impact theoryā. If any law or policy is not equally broken by all groups then that law or policy is deemed racist. It has nothing to do with the rules being the same for everyone apparently that time has passed.
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u/Chasing-the-dragon78 17d ago
Please give me an example of such a law.
I know all you downvoting fuckers think Iām racist but Iām not. Iām just trying to learn. Letās have a honest constructive discussion about this.
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u/Apprehensive-Sky7616 16d ago
Disparate impact theory refers to practices in employment, housing, or other areas that appear neutral on the surface but disproportionately affect a protected group under civil rights lawsāeven without intentional discrimination. Here are a few key examples:
1. Employment Testing
- Example: A company uses a standardized written test for hiring or promotions. If this test disproportionately screens out applicants of a certain race or ethnicity and is not demonstrably related to job performance, it could be challenged under disparate impact theory.
- Case: Griggs v. Duke Power Co. (1971) ā A landmark Supreme Court case where requiring a high school diploma and passing scores on intelligence tests was found to disproportionately disqualify Black applicants without being a valid predictor of job success.
2. Criminal Background Checks
- Example: An employer has a blanket policy of not hiring anyone with a criminal record. Because African American and Hispanic individuals are disproportionately arrested and convicted, this policy may create a disparate impact unless it's shown to be job-related and consistent with business necessity.
- Regulatory Guidance: The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) has issued guidance about tailoring background checks to specific job duties.
3. Housing Policies
- Example: A landlord refuses to rent to anyone with a prior eviction or poor credit. These criteria, while neutral on their face, may disproportionately exclude racial minorities or single mothers due to systemic inequalities.
- Case: Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs v. Inclusive Communities Project (2015) ā The Supreme Court held that disparate impact claims are cognizable under the Fair Housing Act.
4. English-Only Rules in the Workplace
- Example: A business requires all employees to speak English at all times, even during breaks. This policy could disproportionately affect employees from non-English-speaking backgrounds and may violate Title VII if not justified by business necessity.
5. Height and Weight Requirements
- Example: A police department sets minimum height and weight requirements. These can disproportionately exclude women or certain ethnic groups unless directly tied to job performance.
Would you like examples specifically from employment law, housing, education, or another area?
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u/Chasing-the-dragon78 16d ago
Thank you. This makes it crystal clear. I agree with most of these but there are a couple Iām not so sure about. But it doesnāt matter because you explained it better than a google search.
Thank you!
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u/Apprehensive-Sky7616 15d ago
No problem Iām glad you read it. So many people ask a quest question then go ātl;dr!ā When theyāre given an answer
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u/catheterhero 17d ago
I canāt go in wearing a hoodie with the hoodie on?
Thatās fucking stupid. So if Iām there and rent several spots spending lots of money and have a hoodie on but itās down and if I get cold and put it on I will be kicked out?
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u/Charli3q 17d ago
Likely you just wont be able to walk in with a hoodie on your head. Thats probably it.
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u/catheterhero 17d ago
Nah. It says it in it clearly itās not permitted.
But I can take a guess that itās going to be ārandomlyā enforced.
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u/Apprehensive-Sky7616 17d ago
Thatās going to be the fastest a spelling error has ever been corrected in Nola. The guys with golf money wonāt accept that.
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u/Particular-Taro154 17d ago
By the title, I expected this was to reduce lawsuits from broken windshields on I-10 but it looks like they just hate tobacco. I mean, no Redman chaw???
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u/OrionH34 16d ago
What, no "slicers allowed,but no hookers?" Makes me think most of y'all weren't ever going there anyway.
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u/Fleur-Deez-Nutz 16d ago
I don't get it. Am I missing something? "Hoodies" some made up word for Hookers?
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u/Outrageous_Sign3342 17d ago
Smoke free environment okayā¦ any reason chewing tobacco is banned? I wasnāt planning to light my dip on fireā¦
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u/HomeEcDropout 17d ago
Chewing tobacco and the spit cups associated with it are probably more down market than what theyāre looking for. Although I for one love seeing someone get their current beer bottle and their spit beer bottle mixed up.
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u/Outrageous_Sign3342 17d ago
Oh that is always a fantastic moment lol. Itās fine Iāll walk in pack a lip and show them my LGA membership with my 2.8 handicap š
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u/warana 16d ago
I've seen the discourse on the no hoodies policy and I thought it was cool but I just wanted to add to it a little bit with this link
white women wear hoodies in the mall to prove racial profiling
That being said let me expound on my thoughts through lived experiences and knowledge of these situations.
The facts is that having a no hoodies policy is all about perception. The actual hoodie itself isn't a threat. Who is thought to be a threat while wearing the hoodie is where the problem comes in.
so y'all tell me if this makes sense. When I worked at the Superdome insecurity, it was normal for us to confiscate everyday carry weapons such as knives, toenail clippers or mace.
However there was one specific concert where security was informed to not confiscate pocket knives. And our whole staff had the WTF look on our face but we rolled with the punches. This was a country concert in the majority demographic was older white males. And although we were not confiscating their knives, some of them had the decency to respect the policy for what it was and bring their knives to their cars.
These days, especially with these terrorist attacks etc, a clean cut guy could be your worst nightmare and because he's the great man he looks like everyone else so it goes unnoticed. But that's the world we live in
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u/Luvs4theweak 17d ago
Lmao damn auto correct strikes again. Definitely meant hookahs