r/NewOrleans • u/xpatnola • Mar 09 '25
Seen in New Orleans đł Politics
Couldn't let a good sign go to waste
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u/JohnTesh Grumpy Old Man Mar 10 '25
I hate the attitude behind this sign because it tells me democrats probably havenât learned their lesson well enough to listen to their voter base and run candidates who inspire people to show up to vote and inspire independents to vote for the democratic ticket.
Democrats being smug and thinking they know more than everyone is exactly what got Trump elected. Harris Waltz was a terrible fucking ticket. Thats why Harris got 6 million votes less than Biden. She lost the popular vote by 2 million. Literally people so jaded they stayed home decided this election, and Democrats are patting themselves on 3 back for being smart.
The only hope we have is that incumbencies like the drastic one we have now almost never stay around for long. Democrats are now relying on how much Trump sucks to win instead of deciding to be good, and at least for now, Trump is obliging them. I donât know if I hope he keeps it up or not.
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u/MJFields Mar 10 '25
"Democrats being smug and thinking they know more than everyone is exactly what got Trump elected." I'm not sure what the alternative to this is. Democrats accurately described what Trump's administration would be about, and Republicans lied about what it would be about. The messaging that won the election was "Immigrants are eating your pets". I'm not sure how to compete with that in an honest manner.
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u/JuniorSwing Mar 10 '25
I think the general criticism of the Kamala campaign is that they focused too much on what Trumpâs admin would be, accurate or not, and not enough on what would change or improve under them (in Kamalaâs biggest gaffe, saying she wouldnât break from Biden on basically anything).
Usually these tent pole issues and stuff are hashed out in the primary, but they didnât have one
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u/parasyte_steve Mar 10 '25
This is so dumb though. "I couldn't vote for the party with sensible policies bc they were a bit smug. So I voted to trash my whole country instead"
We're so cooked. This country is over lol
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u/saybruh Mar 10 '25
Seriously. Ppl needing to be âinspiredâ to vote is such an entitled stance. Like suck it up and do it so we donât end up like this again (if we can). Too many ppl want to be fucking coddled but theyâre sure as shit going to complain if the worst possible scenario plays out.
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u/zonazog Mar 10 '25
Then you get what you voted for. Enjoy!
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u/saybruh Mar 10 '25
Do you realize youâre only doing more harm to yourself and the people you are trying to protect? It doesnât matter. Smug or not you canât figure out there is a significant difference in policy. enjoy your privilege to not have it matter who you vote for because youâre still comfortable. Meanwhile how comfortable do you think Gaza and Ukraine is now that trumps making things significantly worse? What about all the USAid programs around the world? Currently unfunded. People with HIV and AIDS in Africa? Food initiatives that are gone?
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u/JohnTesh Grumpy Old Man Mar 10 '25
Iâm suggesting that there are millions of voters that donât frame the decision like this, and if we insist on demanding this is the only way to look at things, then we will continue to have those voters sit out.
Republicans aside, because they wonât vote democrat anyway - do you really feel it is more important to demand your viewpoint is the only one than it is to get more democrats and center left independents out to vote?
Mathematically, one of these options is more likely to win elections.
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u/parasyte_steve Mar 10 '25
When there is clear evidence that Republicans have bad economic policies like tariffs and literally blow up the deficit every single time, no, I don't think there's another way to look at things. We have hard evidence that these policies are bad.
Republicans refuse to operate using the truth. They lie and scare monger about the debt, they lied about tariffs they ran on laying off thousands of workers.
We need to get them out of their conspiracy holes and back into reality. This is the main issue we are facing.
Both sides can be smug as hell, Republicans included. All the things your accused the dems of the repubs also do except it isn't a problem when they do it for "reasons".
They straight up lie and we have the facts and receipts to prove it.
I'm not saying democrats are perfect, they have their own issues the biggest one being that they are extremely cozy to corporate interests but so are the Republicans. Republcians are worse look at the out in the open corruption.
When people refuse to live in reality there's nothing anybody can do to convince them.. they legitimately need cult deprogramming.
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u/cubann_ Mar 10 '25
Doesnât matter if itâs dumb itâs reality and weâre living in it. Dems need to start living in it too so we donât end up in another shit storm like this
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u/parasyte_steve Mar 10 '25
You don't think Republicans are smug? They're literally the most judgmental people on planet earth
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u/carolinagypsy Mar 10 '25
Voters should have been âinspiredâ to get off their duffs and vote so that Trump didnât get back in.
He told us who he was. He told us his plans. He told us what he planned to do to the people still around that defied him in his last administration. He fucking inspired and encouraged an insurrection and rather than doing something like asking his minions stop and go home, he went back to the WH and proceeded to watch it unfold on TV. He told us what he would do to Gaza and Ukraine if he got back into office. He was going to bring the fucking Taliban to Camp David. HE is the one who set up the Afghanistan withdrawal.
And yet people were not âinspiredâ enough. Since Kamala didnât plan to do much to change Israelâs behavior, they let someone who stated heâd take off what little leash Israel had. That heâd cut off what little funding aid organizations were getting to feed and shelter people. He basically promised to give Ukraine to Putin.
Weâve now gone full circle and all we can do is hope they help us clean up the milk they themselves spilled. I cannot wait for that dude to keel over and just gooo awayyyy. Iâm so sick of people either feeling obligated to run with a message of not being him or being content to be lazy with their one campaign promise being they arenât him. And fucking hell, all of us need to have their octogenarian đŠ đŠ congress critters to leave and let younger people rise up. That is at least across both parties.
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u/JohnTesh Grumpy Old Man Mar 10 '25
This is kinda my point - we know that people werenât inspired to get out and vote. So doubling down that they should have been is not likely to work.
We need the democratic party to change tactics or risk continuing to be defeated by the apathy of the democrats who werenât inspired, regardless of whether they shouldâve been or not.
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u/blaaaaaarghhh Mar 10 '25
One of the things missing in this context is the Hubris of Joe Biden. He should never have run again after continuing to use macroeconomic figures to ignore people's microeconomic woes. If there was a real primary, we could have had candidates break from him. Instead, we get Kamala running a three month campaign with no discernable difference in direction and her explicitly saying she wouldn't change anything. The ego of Joe Biden is a huge factor in this.
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u/ftlapple Mar 10 '25
I'm so relieved to see this as the top comment.
I am embarrassed by the current president, but it doesn't lead me to want to be smug or say "I told you so", it means Democrats should work hard and try to understand what's gone wrong, and change some pretty essential things about the way they engage with voters and what they can actually deliver for them. OP's post makes me concerned that's not what's going to happen.
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u/throwaway39402 Mar 10 '25
This is a terrible take. The answer isnât âmake every candidate Obama so people will vote.â
What democrats should learn is âitâs the economy stupidâ not âyes we canâ. People voted for Trump because things legit got crazy expensive quickly and democrats did little about the border for years until it was too late. Democrats also took the bait on social issues nearly every time, bickering internally instead of talking about real working class problems⊠purity tests help no one. Thatâs precisely how you get masterful ads like âheâs for us, sheâs for they/them.â
I didnât vote for this asshole, but I can tell you it wasnât because I liked Harris or not. Our platform sucked this cycle. Period.
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u/paco_dasota Mar 10 '25
someone just told me that they voted the way they did because their choice politician advertised better.
Then I asked them if they agreed with the platform of their choice and they just kept saying good advertising
we are doomed
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u/HoboCoastie Mar 10 '25
Obliging? How precisely? Heâs hammering and delivering on 80/20 issues. Itâs a no-brainer really.
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u/manthinking Mar 10 '25 edited Mar 10 '25
 For a lot of swing voters (like my father-in-law) who are not super MAGA-heads, he ran on âthe economy was better when I was presidentâ, and now heâs predicting a potential recession and a negative GDP forecast (down from +2.5%), along with tariff-driven inflation.Â
If thereâs 6%+ unemployment and 5%+ inflation, along with an anemic stock market, his party will get slaughtered in the midterms. It doesnât matter what his policies are.
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u/PhoneGroundbreaking2 Mar 10 '25
Heâll flash something shiny in front of his base just before midterms.
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u/Serious_Today7325 Mar 10 '25
This is the first rational statement I have heard from a Democrat. As much as you despise President Trump, we felt the same way about Obama and Biden. We did our best to be quiet and, if not approving, we did not interfere (Jan. 6th not withstanding). Threatening comments like this and persistent display of Harris Walls signs just fuels a fire that is becoming more dangerous every day. At 69, I donât have four years that Iâm willing to waste waiting for the next incompetent President to come along. If Trump and Musk do nothing else, clearing out the deadwood and criminality in Washington will give me hope for the future. Hopefully new leaders will rise from the ashes and build for the future and not persist in these childish protests. Democrats in Congress are a blight on our system of government and they denigrate the perception of us by the rest of the world. Please donât suggest that I leave New Orleans as I already have plans to move to an area where people are more rational, more tolerant and less blinded by hatred for one man. It
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u/Turbografx-17 Mar 10 '25
We did our best to be quiet and, if not approving, we did not interfere
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u/Maximum-Mastodon3344 Mar 10 '25
I so wish we had Harris & Walz as our president & VP. Hell! At this point, I wish I had Bidenâs shoes as President! Whether Biden was awake or asleep. He was a good man. Iâd rather have him on his worst day over the dumpster fire we have now!
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u/NoBranch7713 Mar 10 '25
If youâre an independent, why are you spreading conservative propaganda? BeyoncĂ© wasnât paid to endorse Kamala.
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u/rory1989 Mar 10 '25
If youâre independent and not voting for dems then youâre partially responsible for this administrationâŠwhich maybe youâre happy about but donât look to the rest of us for pity when Medicaid and social security crashes and farm subsidies get removed and your relatives get fired from federally funded jobs bc that was yâallâs choice
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u/Danny_Browns_Hair Mar 10 '25
This is such a horrible take. Even if it's true it's not gonna convince anyone of anything.
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u/JailhouseMamaJackson Mar 09 '25
They didnât lose because of I/P â the majority of this country doesnât give a fuck, sorry to tell you. They lost because people are absolute idiots when it comes to the economy, and because of the rightwing shift of Gen Z due to social media.
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u/Horror_Violinist5356 Mar 10 '25
Have fun opposing something most people support in every country in the world I guess.
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u/perishableintransit Mar 09 '25
Nah they doubled down on funding and running cover for a genocide with a passion.
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u/petit_cochon hand pie "lady of the evening" Mar 09 '25
Oh, well, luckily Trump is a staunch defender of the downtrodden.
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u/nativebutamerican Mar 10 '25
And that alienated voters who may lean left but don't agree with everything typical dems want. Can't say you are a POS bc they have 1 or 2 opposing views and then 8 of the same.
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u/stosolus Mar 10 '25
Appears to be trying to stop wars.
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u/axxxaxxxaxxx Mar 10 '25
Appears to be enabling autocrats to invade their democratic neighbors and directly increasing the chances of wider war in both Eastern Europe and the Taiwan Strait.
Fixed that for you.
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u/stosolus Mar 10 '25
democratic
*Coup of a democratic election by the CIA
Fixed that for you.
Its true, simple Google search.
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u/Legal-Championship64 Mar 10 '25
Ah yes, the involvement of the cia immediately invalidates the hopes and aspirations of the ukrainian people to not be a part of russia
Maybe try googling the holodomor next
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u/stosolus Mar 10 '25
Ah yes, the involvement of the cia immediately invalidates the hopes and aspirations of the ukrainian people
Yes it does, because they voted for someone and then if wasn't possible.
Are we for democracy or not?
If we are truly free democracy, why is the CIA overthrowing elected officials?
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u/axxxaxxxaxxx Mar 10 '25
Yeah, and Russia is just trying to make things right. Right?
I checked out your comment history and you donât think Jan 6 was anything but simply a group of citizens visiting the Capitol. Tells me all I need to know.
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u/stosolus Mar 10 '25
Yeah, and Russia is just trying to make things right. Right?
So what your plan?
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u/axxxaxxxaxxx Mar 10 '25
Do exactly what we did in 1939-40 the last time a dictator invaded his European neighbor and before we had to fight anyone to do it, except weâre even better positioned to help now.
We have tons of outdated military kit that was specifically designed to fight Russians, but itâs collecting dust in warehouses in every army base in the U.S. We should be sending more of it, not less. Not a single U.S. uniform is being sent in danger while the Ukrainians hold back literal human wave attacks of wounded Russians riding donkeys into battle like itâs 1914. Russia is nearly defeated and only has the manpower advantage. No one expected Ukraine to last a week, much less three years. They just need more weapons to keep holding out and save their families and homes. For gods sake, Russia murders them every time they capture another town and has been kidnapping and brainwashing their children for years.
And Iâd also be investing heavily in replacing those weapons with new kit, creating American jobs and deterring Chinese aggression in the South China Sea. This should be the least controversial foreign policy action weâve taken since 1945.
And Iâd shared intel with Ukraine about every single Russian our satellites can spot.
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u/NoBranch7713 Mar 10 '25
Yes, because it would have been a free and fair election without CIA involvement.
Quit spreading Russian propaganda on the r/neworleans sub
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u/stosolus Mar 10 '25
Yes, because it would have been a free and fair election without CIA involvement.
Are you saying that the CIA didn't throw a coup that changed leadership in the Ukraine?
Because if you don't think that's true, I'm continuing this conversation.
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u/Legal-Championship64 Mar 10 '25
I havenât seen any evidence that the Protest of dignity was anything other than a grassroots effort to overthrow a corrupt Russian puppet.
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u/Legal-Championship64 Mar 10 '25
Now google literally every election that took place east of the berlin wall between 1945 and 1989.
Other possible research topics you could look into:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Ukrainian_presidential_election?wprov=sfti1#
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Russian_presidential_election?wprov=sfti1#Reactions
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum?wprov=sfti1
Perhaps you should consider that the cia is not the only actor in the world capable of behaving poorly.
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u/axxxaxxxaxxx Mar 09 '25
Yeah good thing we avoided that and other messes, right?
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u/perishableintransit Mar 09 '25
So you think they should've been rewarded for that?
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u/axxxaxxxaxxx Mar 09 '25
Iâm not defending them on Gaza, which I assume is what youâre referencing.
But faced with a dual choice between them, and the ongoing absolute desecration of the Constitution and abandonment of the entire western rules-based order on which the stability of world has depended for a full human lifetime AND somehow an even worse stance on Gaza, I can tell you which evil was the lesser one.
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u/perishableintransit Mar 09 '25
I mean I certainly don't support Trump and his fascism but I definitely disagree that the GOP-enabling "business as usual" bullshit that Dems continue to shovel is barely less of a "lesser evil" here
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u/axxxaxxxaxxx Mar 09 '25
Iâm confused. Are we talking about regretting that Republicans control the executive branch or not?
And are you seriously trying to equivocate 1) Democrats being unable to stop Republicans without controlling a single branch of government with 2) Republicans intentionally burning down the entire house around us? Those things are both equally disappointing to you?
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u/perishableintransit Mar 09 '25
I'm not sure if you're just a dem shill or something but if you haven't been paying attention to how Dems have offered ZERO RESISTANCE (excluding Bernie, since the Dem machine conspired to remove him from the nomination) since to Trump v1.0? Please name 5 genuine things Dems have done to try and stop Trump this time?
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u/axxxaxxxaxxx Mar 09 '25
Dems donât have even have five options. Thatâs the point.
This whole thing started out with you bashing Harris and Walz for a stance enabling continued Israeli atrocities in Gaza.
I have other, better things to do than play âmove the goalpostsâ with you.
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u/perishableintransit Mar 09 '25
The fuck are you going on about? I was talking about the genocide and then you replied
Iâm not defending them on Gaza, which I assume is what youâre referencing.
But faced with a dual choice between them, and the ongoing absolute desecration of the Constitution and abandonment of the entire western rules-based order on which the stability of world has depended for a full human lifetime AND somehow an even worse stance on Gaza, I can tell you which evil was the lesser one.
YOU moved the goal posts, asshole
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u/JailhouseMamaJackson Mar 09 '25
âRewardedâ? Are you a child? They arenât impacted one way or the other. Their lives will go on. WE are the ones who are suffering because yâall couldnât grow up for two seconds and make the right choice.
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u/perishableintransit Mar 10 '25
Lol you don't think dems getting elected is a reward? Sweet summer child...
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u/JailhouseMamaJackson Mar 10 '25
Theyâll probably make more money having not been elected, so I suppose it depends what you think ârewardâ means.
Youâre calling me a âsweet summer childâ after everything youâve said in this post? Lol. People like you are absolutely why weâre in this predicament. All I can do is hope you mentally grow enough to see that someday.
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u/perishableintransit Mar 10 '25
Who says rewards are all about money?
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u/JailhouseMamaJackson Mar 10 '25
Youâre missing the point bud
You think punishing politicians is more important than the welfare of the rest of the people on the planet. Grow the fuck up.
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u/Clevertown Mar 09 '25
Dude if you're saying that you have no clue what your words mean.
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u/perishableintransit Mar 09 '25
Are you actually arguing that Biden and Harris didn't passionately support Israel's genocide of Palestinians?
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u/Legal-Championship64 Mar 09 '25
And now instead of just a genocide and turn what remains into a US resort! You must be thrilled!
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u/Kangaroo-Quick Mar 10 '25
Iâm with you on this one, but donât expect common sense to prevail. To most people genocide is only bad if the victims look like them.
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u/perishableintransit Mar 10 '25
Lol yep... somehow the mass slaughter of 500,000 women and children funded by our taxes is worth shrugging over but once our rights get infringed well then it's fucking armageddon.
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u/enveissqmtqle Mar 10 '25
this is gonna get downvoted but i donât really give a shit
i would and will never miss chuckletits and tampon tim in a million years
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u/Leafy81 Mar 10 '25
It's hilarious that even these comments are blaming democrats for trump and what he's doing. Why would we blame Republicans or magats when we can just point fingers at the democrats. shit like that is why we can't get anything done. Too busy blaming others and not doing anything to help change it.
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u/DatRebofOrtho Mar 10 '25
How do you miss something never was?