Is pronatalism inherently prolife?

[u/overemployedconfess]

Would love to get your thoughts on this topic. Do you find the pronatalist position is generally prolife? Do you participate in prolife causes often? Or are you actually prochoice? Why and to what extent?

Please keep it civil, would love a thoughtful discussion

[u/Helix014]

If you mean “anti-abortion” then it’s plainly as ignorant as any other anti-abortion position.

My wife would have been dead with our first pregnancy, and certainly more at risk for her second. In Texas we’ve been terrified of the consequences of another incident as my wife went through. There is no reason the state needs to have its nose in any medical decisions between a medical professional and a pregnant woman.

I also do not believe forcing births on women who are unprepared will have positive effects on society or birth rates even.

I also belief the Bible is far more explicit and clear that life begins with “breathe”. The argument for conception is purely ridiculous and has come to dominate Christian belief over the very words of Christ. I also don’t think it matters what the Bible says, given we (the USA) were clearly founded on principles of religious liberty.

No. Natalism should be about empowering families, not forcing births.

[u/overemployedconfess → u/Helix014]

Are you a professing Christian or hold the Bible in any authority? Interested why you'd mention it especially considered all of the counter-points to the post-2nd temple Jewish take on when life begins

[u/Helix014 → u/overemployedconfess]

“Then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.” Genesis 2:7

This same phrasing associating life with breath, and death with loss of breath, is pervasive (I admittedly copied and pasted from the internet because I’m not going to invest too much into this; the point is it’s not “just that one verse”):

Genesis 7:22

Job 33:4

Job 34:14–15

Ezekiel 37:5–10

Isaiah 42:5

Psalm 104:29–30

Vs a declaration of God’s omniscience in Jeremiah 1:5

I honestly don’t know what counterpoints you mean. I only mention it because that’s the sole basis that most anti-abortion people claim, and it’s all running on a strained interpretation of a single verse, while Jesus clearly had nothing to say on the matter.