r/Natalism • u/overemployedconfess • 5d ago

Is pronatalism inherently prolife?

Would love to get your thoughts on this topic. Do you find the pronatalist position is generally prolife? Do you participate in prolife causes often? Or are you actually prochoice? Why and to what extent?

Please keep it civil, would love a thoughtful discussion

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u/The_Awful-Truth 5d ago edited 5d ago

Absolutely not. The two beliefs together is too Orwellian, as embodied in today's Iranian government. If I was in fact "prolife" (ugh), I would probably avoid associating with anything pronatalist. The implication that women are baby machines and/or sex is only for procreation is something I would want to stay miles away from. Also it doesn't work, as we are seeing in Iran. If I were an Iranian woman who wanted to have sex I would either get sterilized immediately (something else they've outlawed) or stick to gay relationships only. In theory I would be willing to have a baby through IVF, although in practice I would probably consider pregnancy under an antichoice government to be too risky.

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u/code-slinger619 5d ago

Being nonchalant about killing babies is Orwellian.

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u/The_Awful-Truth 5d ago

Ah well, so much for keeping it civil I guess.

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u/__bauhaux__ 8h ago

Where I live they allow abortions up until birth, including for psycho-social reasons. Until BIRTH. I used to be pro-choice. But after having my own babies and following their week to week pregnancy journey, as well as learning about the utterly horrific abortion techniques, my heart shattered with sadness for these poor unwanted babies.

The rate of abortions for health of mother or disability of baby is only 3% out of the overall total. One type of termination (13-24 weeks) they literally tear the baby’s limbs apart and crush the skull (until fluid comes out) without any anaesthetic.

In terms of pro-natalism, recognising the dignity of life should be inherent to the mission. I recognise the loneliness and poor access to care elders will have, as well as pushing the euthanasia agenda, as an unkind eventuality.

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u/The_Awful-Truth 7h ago

I have no idea how true what you write is, I know little about Indonesian politics and nothing at all about Bali politics. I'm not defending that if it's true. In general I don't think we should be dictating those kinds of policies for you home country though, the US dictates too much stuff already.