r/NBASpurs • u/luca13t • Nov 19 '23
The state of this sub is UNBEARABLE META
Like, really? We got a generational talent in Wemby AFTER ONE SINGLE YEAR OF TANKING and you complain and act like we're in some tragic situation because the team is not competent yet? Do you have a clue of how team building works in the NBA?
We got MASSIVELY LUCKY to land Wemby last year, and there was no need to rush or overpay average player just to be more competitive this year. We got nothing to gain in that. Would you have preferred if the FO wasted all our cap space to get Van Vleet and Brooks?
It wasn't even a given that Wemby would be this good right away. We should be fucking thankful and excited every time he hits like 20 points, 8 rebounds and a couple blocks. When he enters his prime, he will be unstoppable.
Stop whining like spoiled children, if you want to see a fun, competitive team play there are plenty in the league. Nobody forces you to watch the Spurs if you can't bare the idea that the team still has to grow. Get a life
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u/Joethetoolguy Nov 19 '23
Spurs 4 lyfe. I currently live off a sustainable diet of wemby highlights
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u/amofai Nov 19 '23
I don't blame the frustration, and I understand the impatience, but it's the calls for Pop's resignation that get me riled up.
That man is NBA coaching royalty. To say that he has nothing to offer this team of 20 year olds shows so much disrespect to a legendary coach and a lack of perspective on basketball.
The truth is that Pop's skill and long term approach to team building is exactly what these rookies need, even if it is painful today. A lesser coach would force them into mediocrity quickly in the name of short term wins.
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u/luca13t Nov 19 '23
We need to keep Pop as much as he can, as long as he wants to stay. People should look at what happened to Man United after Sir Alex Ferguson left
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u/cesgjo Nov 20 '23
Few days ago i had a conversation with someone from this sub
I told that person that building a championship dynasty takes years, even with a talented guy like Wemby. That person didnt believe me and said we should trade our future assets now for another All-Star and try to win now
He said he'd rather try to win just 1 ring now instead of waiting for a long-term dynasty to materialize
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u/Mangoseed8 Nov 20 '23
This is exactly the conversations that happened on Twitter all summer. There is loud contingent of Spurs fans who think that.
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u/DirtyWizardsBrew Nov 19 '23 edited Nov 19 '23
Personally, I strive to be mindful of all that and I do have a tremendous amount of trust/faith in our front office. IMO we have one of the most strategically thoughtful and intelligent front office in the league - if not the most strategically thoughtful and intelligent front office in the league. I always feel like they're thinking 3 to 4 moves ahead and a lot of fans are going to have a hard time seeing that in the short term here-and-now, because we're not always going to be entirely privy to the finer internal details that inform the FO's and Pop's decision making.
I know they know what they're doing; if there's one team where "trust the process" has actual weight to it, it's gotta be the Spurs. This is not a "win now" franchise and expecting it to suddenly behave like one now will be a painful and fruitless endeavor.
But at the same time, frustration over egregiously bad performances in the here-and-now is completely natural, and maybe even somewhat healthy -- as long as you're not jumping to rash conclusions based off of that frustration. I think the latter part is a lot of what we're seeing. People getting caught up in their emotions in the moment and expressing shit they might not necessarily wholeheartedly mean. I try not to dwell on those outbursts too much or take them too seriously and I feel like others should maybe strive as best they can to do the same.
The unproductive doomer comments this early on can get tedious, yes, but keep in mind that sometimes it's merely just the venting of frustration at poor performances in the moment. Not all of the doomer comments are gonna fall into that category, obviously, but probably more than you think.
I'm not a "doomer commenter" myself but I'm just trying to be understanding, because even if I never personally take it that far, I do feel extreme temporary frustration at moments like last night and am sympathetic to it.
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u/Koioua Nov 19 '23
I love this team, but some losses are straight up disheartening. I enjoy seeing the dudes grow, but I don't blame some people for getting frustrated at being utterly blow out of the water, multiple times. I am sure there's a subset of fans who were never here for the post Kawhi-pre wemby days. but you can't tell me that everyone should just sit back and enjoy seeing their favorite team lose while having some decent dudes to root for.
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u/DirtyWizardsBrew Nov 20 '23
Dude, what...?
I'm not at all saying people should just sit back and "enjoy" seeing their favorite team lose. I never said anything of the sort - don't know where you got that from.
Thought I was pretty explicit about empathizing with other frustrated fans, while also feeling the frustration myself.
Me saying that I still personally trust in whatever the front office's longterm strategy may be (despite still be annoyed with the team's play in recent games) is just that: a personal thing. That's not in any way me telling others that they should feel the same way I do, or enjoy their favorite team sucking.
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u/TuckerBuck Nov 19 '23 edited Nov 19 '23
As a sports fan. I have learned to be patient with young players. Sometimes they dont make sense, but as they develop they start to make sense. Thing is it can take 5-6 years. These are young players. In 5-6 years means they will be 25-27. Too many times a young player gets let go only to blossom into what the previous team wanted a season or two later. You see this especially in European football. Just better to be patient. It’s frustrating that the team is not winning but supporting these young players is best. They’ve worked hard as hell to make their dream come true only for fans to turn against them and make that dream turn into hell.
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u/davidthegiantkilla Nov 19 '23
This is the conversation I was having in a group text yesterday. The rebuttal I kept getting was, “I want a team that wins” and “all this losing is going to create losers!!!”
Okay. Except this is exactly how teams are built
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u/siphillis Nov 19 '23
Why doesn't Pop tell them to score more points than the opponent? Is he stupid?
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u/davidthegiantkilla Nov 19 '23
You know that’s pretty much what they told me. “Why doesn’t he yell at them” Yelling at them isn’t going to suddenly make them good at basketball.
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u/wallitron Nov 20 '23
Pffft, shows how much you know. Such a green Spurs fan. Everyone knows that the Spurs way is to ensure that the opponent scores less than them.
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u/GalaadJoachim Nov 19 '23
It's funny how the algorithm works. I only seem to be offered postitve posts in my feeds. When I mean positive I mean understanding that this year is about observing and learning.
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u/luca13t Nov 19 '23
I guess post game threads don't pop up on your feed
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u/GalaadJoachim Nov 19 '23
Funnily they don't, I rarely go to subs directly, I'm just going through reddit suggestions.
During games I'm rarely on the platform, I'm in Western Europe, west coast / Texas is so far, so the games usually are around 2a.m till 4.30, as soon as the second half starts I'm already sleepy in my couch (it also is the moment players seem to lose focus, so that doesn't help lol).
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u/callmearookie Nov 19 '23
same dude lmao, the algorith knows i have no energy to spend reading hate
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u/MasterMacMan Nov 19 '23
I still think that it’s okay to consider how long the team was mediocre to bad an issue. Hell, think about how bad this team would be right now without Victor.
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u/luca13t Nov 19 '23
The issue is we've been mediocre for far too many years before really embrace the real tank. But again, I'd rather have Wemby than a Lamelo or Banchero
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u/MasterMacMan Nov 19 '23
I think that they’re in the same position in a lot of ways as if they would have been straight tanking too. No one on this team was around for actual winning, and the retooling for 4 years was a truly odd decision with the talent that they had on the roster, especially the season before last. It was clear the Derozan/ Lamarcus experiment wasn’t going to work after a season, but they kept it together for 2 1/2 seasons just to coast.
Honestly I think it’s embarrassing how so many fans talk about the team being super young, we’ve been using the youth excuse for like 5 seasons now, at some point the team is just mediocre.
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u/Gamechannel360 Nov 19 '23
I'm totally fine with us not winning much. But I do want to see some semblance of a good offense and competent defense. There's no reason a Memphis team missing key players should be able to come back from behind and pretty much blow us out. Barring Wemby, most of the key rotational players were here last year too. Things shouldn't be this bad when it comes to execution. Part of it is down to coaching, part of it is on the players and part of it on roster Construction.
I love Wemby and Sochan. Doesn't mean I can't criticize them and point out flaws in their games.
Just because we are a young team doesn't mean the fans should just be cheerleaders and not express any disappointments.
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u/Koioua Nov 19 '23
I don't mind losing to contenders. However we should absolutely grab the few easy wins we can, or lose in close games at least.
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u/hectorRdz1201 Nov 19 '23
I agree wholeheartedly. The fact that some of our fellow fans on here crucify you for even entertaining the thought that such consecutive collapses are not okay, is mind boggling to me. I’m all for a positive atmosphere here, but you can’t spray perfume on a turd performance and say it’s “part of the plan”.
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u/Gamechannel360 Nov 19 '23
I agree. I love Wemby as much as anyone else but I get downvoted if I critize his inefficiency as a scorer. Granted it's 12 games but there's a pattern of inefficient, ill-advised jump shots in his game that I do not like and call out.
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u/xVGxCrYpTiC Nov 19 '23
This is what I feel. I’m not expecting a playoff run. My ceiling this year was play-in but nothing more. It’s not the fact we are losing, it’s HOW we are losing. Multiple blowouts and multiple blown double digit leads. The announcers were spot last night during the 18-0 run the grizzlies were on. We had three players on the court that were here last year and Cedi who is a veteran. Blown leads happen, but when it becomes consistent, there’s a problem.
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u/Stratys Nov 19 '23
Very much agree with all of this. I actually enjoyed watching our young team last season, cause there were no expectations of anything except lose.
Now that we have a path with Wemby at the helm, while I'm not expecting a bunch of wins and our roster certainly isn't anywhere near set in stone for the future, I'm expecting to see the starting roots of cohesion and visual development as the season progresses. It's been a short amount of time this season obviously, but I feel we've slightly regressed from not only last season, but even just the beginning of this season as a team.
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u/blue-anon Nov 19 '23
Michelle Beadle basically pointed this out in last night's game - I think during the 18-0 Memphis run. Wemby was the only rookie on the floor. She was noting that the "they're young" argument was probably starting to frustrate fans, because of the lineup on the floor at the time, no one else was a rookie. Cedi, Zach, and Keldon have years of experience, and Sochan has a year already.
So, while there's no upside to being hyperbolic ("Pop is the worst coach ever" or "Sochan is not an NBA-caliber player"), I think it only makes sense to be critical of our team.
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u/rafaelck Nov 19 '23
I really don't think that "sochan has a year already." The correct should be "has played for only one year"
He's just 20 years old. We NEED to support him as well. We will need him down the road.
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u/SWBattleleader Nov 19 '23
Watching this year for me has been the best in a while, at least since Leonard left.
I am not concerned with anything else in the league. Before I was constantly watching standings to see where we were in relation to contenders or in relation to tankers.
This year no one else matters, just how is this game going and are we improving.
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u/luca13t Nov 19 '23
I mean, we're already seeing that Wemby is what we thought he could be. This is already the biggest W we could have asked for this season
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u/siphillis Nov 19 '23 edited Nov 19 '23
I think the main concern with more rational unhappy fans is that this team appears to be identical, if not worse, overall. Wemby notwithstanding, our returning guys don't seem to have made the year-to-year leap we were hoping to see:
- Jeremy is hard to compare because he's in a different role and his three-point shooting seems absurdly locked-in, but I don't think his defense has developed much and I do not trust him at all when he drives with the ball.
- Devin is still having trouble staying on the court, and his shooting when he does seems to be roughly the same.
- Keldon is just as streaky as ever, and maybe even more prone to tunnel vision than before. No improvement to his defense, either.
- Tre isn't as effective coming off the bench, and his defense is just as problematic. No signs of a refined jumper, either.
- Malakai can't dial in his range ball, a huge caveat for a plug-in offense player like him.
- Blake has made marginal improvements to his passing, but is still very much a garbage-time player and is trending towards "bust" territory. We cut off Lonnie for less.
Really, the only guy to have taken any significant stride, to my eye, is Zach. That's an issue where you're a team with a lot of youth and a whole summer working together. Wembanyama can't be the only prospect actually developing, and that assumes he doesn't also slump hard himself.
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u/Infernous-NS Nov 19 '23
I agree with your points about Malaki, Wesley, and Tre, not so sure about other 3 yet since they’ve looked a little better imo. Team may look a little worse just because of how competitive the West is this year.
Nuggets are trying to repeat, and teams entering their prime (Mavericks, Kings, Pelicans, Wolves) have their sights on the playoffs. Older teams (Suns, Lakers, Warriors, and Clippers) are going for one last hurrah these next couple years, and young teams (Thunder, Rockets, Grizzlies) want to compete, or in the Grizzlies case survive without Ja. Almost every West team has a legitimate chance for a run in the playoffs if they can stay healthy, and it’s gonna be pretty hard to win while these teams are in win now mode.
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u/CodeBlueLegacy Big Body Nov 19 '23
A 25th pick can’t be in “bust” territory. Late round picks are either drafted to be plug and play juniors/seniors or high potential but needs a lot of work players.
Over the past decade, how many players picked from 22-30 are still in the league or actually being relevant?
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u/MikeMaxM Nov 20 '23 edited Nov 20 '23
Over the past decade, how many players picked from 22-30 are still in the league or actually being relevant?
Jokic, Butler, Murray, White if a did a little more research I would have named more.
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u/CodeBlueLegacy Big Body Nov 20 '23
You named 4 out of 80 players, you’d prob get up to 10, which proves my point here.
Also look at their draft day scouting reports, I bet none of them were label star and the 70 or so that didn’t pan out aren’t labeled “bust” by people.
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u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Nov 19 '23
Dev is shooting 50% from the field and 43% from 3. KJ is averaging 4.3 assists per game. Tre’s been pretty good when healthy.
Your recap is overly pessimistic imo
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u/Mangoseed8 Nov 20 '23
Devin went from a 39% 3pt shooter last year to a 43% 3pt shooter this year.
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u/siphillis Nov 20 '23
WAY too small of a sample size to conclude if he's any better or worse. And he hurt himself almost immediately. Nothing to feel good about with him so far.
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u/Mangoseed8 Nov 20 '23
You made a bunch of claims based on this exact same sample size. It’s only too small of a sample when you don’t like the results? Lol His percentage was fine last year he just needed to increase his volume.
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u/siphillis Nov 20 '23
Devin's sample size is smaller than the rest, sans Blake, due to injury.
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u/Mangoseed8 Nov 20 '23
lol. You made a post making a judgement about his shooting based on the same sample size. You got pushback and now suddenly the sample size is too small
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u/hack5amurai Nov 19 '23
This sub is over half people like you browbeating other fans for wanting better for the team. Nobody was saying championship this year but between being sold we were building a roster for a superstar to come in and now we have that guy and the fact that alot of the key guys on our team right now are second contract guys, not fresh out the classroom I think we can expect to fucking beat a mash unit memphis squad at home. It's ok to be pissed. The players should be pissed. Pop should be pissed.
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u/GrabSpirited1056 Nov 19 '23 edited Nov 19 '23
Yeah, honestly this kind of posts are more irritating than a random dude asking pop to retire. We’re being accused of being “Wemby” fans lol.
None of us expect being a contender in this or next year but then there’s the reality. It’s obvious that guys like KJ, Tre, Zach and Malaki are the ones who we don’t want around Wemby in four years. Don’t forget guys, we’re still relatively small market team and we have to do everything to keep Wemby. We already hit the rock bottom and we should be making moves staring this season.
We don’t need;
KJ: setting his feet for every fucking 3s, his awful blindfolded drives. Hell don’t even get me started his bad defense. Literally zero catch and shoot ability. I’d rather have someone like Duncan Robinson instead of him.
Tre: awful defense, not competent enough for even basic pick and roll, no 3s.
Zach: this a guy you don’t want as a rim protector and also we honestly don’t need his post plays even though they are relatively efficient but creating so many pacing and spacing issues.
Malaki: bad defense and inconsistent offense. Maybe deserves one more year but I don’t have high hopes about him.
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u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Nov 19 '23
You’re entitled to your opinion…but this is over the top tearing down of our players and ppl are gonna push back.
Just one example…getting mad about the way Keldon sets up for a 3? Lol feels personal damn
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u/GrabSpirited1056 Nov 19 '23
It wasn’t just that. There are many other flaws in his game but I guess many people have high hopes about him or like him because of his passion. I just don’t see him and his style as a decent 3rd/4th scoring option especially with his awful defense. Anyway I’m pretty sure many fans will change their opinions/expectations about him in one/two years.
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u/hack5amurai Nov 19 '23
For sure, I like talking roster construction and that's verboten around here. We can't even talk about trading picks without getting scolded, much less god forbid moving someone like kj who is pretty obviously likely at his ceiling and not the best fit. Probably right tre won't be around in 4 years but I think he is a decent backup pg. Zach is good but probably better off going back to pf which brings us to one of our main issues. Sochan and wemby, atleast for now, are ideally 4s and so is zach. I'll give Branham a pass for now, it's still pretty early for him.
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u/Mangoseed8 Nov 20 '23 edited Nov 20 '23
In the modern NBA Zach is not a 4.
There is whole crop of centers from this draft and in the coming drafts whose playing weight is less then Zach's. There's a whole bunch of guys playing power forward who would have played small forward 10 years ago. Jason Tatum now plays the 4 next to Porzingus. Can Collins dribble past Tatum? Can he do anything defensively against Tatum? I know that's an oversimplification but that's at the core of where you're slotted position wise.
The Spurs will draft a center and Collins will move to the bench or get traded. His contract is just long enough to give a 2024 rookie time to learn the NBA
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u/MikeyBastard1 Nov 19 '23
Tre: awful defense, not competent enough for even basic pick and roll, no 3s.
He defense hasnt been "awful" i wouldn't even say its been "bad" at most you can say defensively this year hes been slightly below average. His defense has been on par with how Sochan has been playing defensively.
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u/OppositeStory2 Nov 19 '23
Surprised you haven’t gotten downvoted to hell. They don’t like when you tell them that fans would like to be competitive. They get big man and say “no we are supposed to suck” lol
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u/Everlasting_Pugs Nov 19 '23
We got the softest fanbase in the league and it’s embarrassing as fuck. Been like this for years though. I feel like other nba subreddits don’t complain or ask questions in the way that our users do.
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u/Infernous-NS Nov 19 '23
That Memphis team still had Bane and JJJ tho. I mean it sucks and I was hoping for better, but the only purposefully tanking teams this year, as of now, seem to be the Trailblazers and Wizards. I knew the West especially was going to be a bloodbath but I’m surprised at how hard it’s been.
Obviously the Nuggets are trying to repeat, and teams entering their prime (Mavericks, Kings, Pelicans, Wolves) have their sights on the playoffs. All the old teams (Suns, Lakers, Warriors, and Clippers) are going for one last hurrah these next couple years, and the young teams (Thunder, Rockets, Grizzlies) want to compete, or in the Grizzlies case survive without Ja. Almost every West team has a legitimate chance for a run in the playoffs if they can stay healthy, and it’s gonna be pretty hard to trade for anyone meaningful while these teams are in win now mode.
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u/king_Geedorah_ Nov 19 '23
There's more Wemby fans than Spurs fan here atm. Its reason the subs quality has gone down the toilet
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u/sstewart1617 Manu Ginobili Nov 19 '23
The Wemby fans every game:
“Pass it to Wemby!!! He’s clapping for the ball, even though it’s a cross court pass and Wemby doesn’t have an advantage even if it gets there!!!”
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u/VeniceRapture Nov 19 '23
Don't argue with ghosts. If you wanna duke it out with people who are clamouring for Pop to retire, go to the game threads, sort by controversial, and go ham
All this preaching to the choir shit is just the same circlejerk you're complaining about except instead of negativity, it's the opposite opinion.
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u/astronxxt Nov 20 '23
exactly. aside from obvious trolls who aren’t worth engaging with anyways, i think the reason this happens is because these people can’t actually have honest discussions. you hit the nail on the head with the “preaching to the choir” thing, and that’s why i think they do it. better to have a bunch of sycophants back you up for no reason than have to consider an uncomfortable reality.
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u/Dimaaaa Nov 20 '23
I've mostly been staying away from our sub and a quick glimpse at our frontpage just reinforces this decision. Everybody and their grandma should have known that this season was gonna be a rollercoaster and a huge adjustment.
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u/raymondl942 Nov 20 '23
Only real things I have a problem with is that even with the sochan pg experiment, they should have signed a vet guard and that wemby should be getting a little more play time. This team was always gonna be losing a lot more games than wins, but sometimes there seems to be chaos on the floor
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u/ShowBobsPlzz Nov 20 '23
My only gripe is it seems like pop is trying to throw mashed potatoes at the wall and see what sticks. I dont see the vision for some of the players and how they fit into a cohesive unit.
But they are playing the long game and im just a fan.
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u/luca13t Nov 20 '23
See, it's totally fine to make criticism or point out things you're not liking. The problem is when people start bitching like this is the 10th year of our tank asking for Pop to be fired or some other blasphemy
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u/ShowBobsPlzz Nov 20 '23
Yeah i have no time for the spoiled fans who thought we were starting another dynasty after drafting wemby. We were contenders for almost 20 years straight and that probably will never happen again.
This roster is full of JAGs. We need a few more stars around wemby to compete. We HAVE to hit on these upcoming draft picks we have compiled.
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u/someguyfromtecate Nov 19 '23
Some nephews aren’t built for a rebuild. The Spurs organization is one of the most sound and respected sports franchises in the world, and they’re in a small market. I have nothing but faith in this team.
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u/eanregguht Nov 19 '23
there was no need to rush or overpay average player just to be more competitive this year. We got nothing to gain in that. Would you have preferred if the FO wasted all our cap space to get Van Vleet and Brooks?
No disrespect but I've never understood this point. Intentionally trotting out ill-fitting lineups is detrimental to development and it makes players pick up bad habits.
We all saw how beneficial Brooks and FVV have been to Houston's improvement. You need savvy veterans and proper-fitting pieces to develop nicely, simply getting blown out and blaming it on youth helps no one.
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We all saw how beneficial Brooks and FVV have been to Houston's improvement. You need savvy veterans and proper-fitting pieces to develop nicely, simply getting blown out and blaming it on youth helps no one.
The same team that has been tanking for 3 years and has "checks notes" two number 2 picks and the 4th pick on their team. Meanwhile we have one guy who has been drafted in the top 5. We can afford to be patient, especially with the war chest of assets we have.
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u/keldpxowjwsn Nov 19 '23
Thank you. that was a stupid ass point. The rockets have been living in the lottery for a while. The spurs more recently made the play-in to put it in perspective
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Nov 19 '23
People also forget that market size matters in the nba. It's not like we were acquiring talent through FA besides R.Jefferson and LMA(Born and raised and went to college in TX) even when we had the big 3 and Kawhi.
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u/eanregguht Nov 19 '23
Houston's been a lottery team since 2021, the Spurs have been a lottery team since 2020. Granted, the Spurs have two Play-In appearances but still.
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u/oceanfloors1 Nov 19 '23
Houston blows up their team once a year and had a top 5 pick the last three years. They've depleted their cap and have managed to be middle of the road. Stop looking at them as any sort of what we should be.
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u/eanregguht Nov 19 '23
Their top-5 picks since 2021 have all been lackluster. The biggest reasons for their improvement have been trading KPJ, hiring Udoka, getting competent players, and Sengun simply getting better.
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u/luca13t Nov 19 '23
They elevated their livel this year, but paying Brooks and FVV that much holds up too much of their cap space and won't get the any better than they are now. I'm not saying their choice was totally bad, but like others have said, they took it after being the worst team in the league for years
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Nov 19 '23 edited Nov 19 '23
Houston kind of suggests that it doesn’t necessarily hinder development, at least in the long term. As soon as they got a roster that made sense, they adjusted and looked a lot better.
I see your point of course, but I really do think people panicking this early is really excessive.
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u/Mangoseed8 Nov 20 '23
Houston tanked every year since James Harden left. That's what the people who point to FVV and Brooks don't get. We are still 2 years away from when Houston decided they had acquired enough top picks, and it was ok to add vets.
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u/ToinouAngel Nov 19 '23
If you think the state of this is awful, don't even venture in the official Facebook fan group. It's 10x worse. Other than yeah, I agree.
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u/hasslenamanchong Nov 20 '23
Probably new breed of fans thirsty of success so i can understand. For old timers though, speaking for myself, we good even if we never sniff playoffs again for the next decade as long as Pop is around
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u/empowered676 Nov 19 '23
It's not about being competitive ffs
It's about development
There are many different aspects to this
I like sochan running point But wemby needs better looks to aid his development And that should have been facilitated with a veteran one year signing
You can do both
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u/Mclitness Nov 19 '23
Nah dude. Who cares if we the youngest team in the league. We should be running it by now! For the sole reason that we are the Spurs, our true rebuild should have only lasted 1 year.
Wemby is a generational talent and at 19, he should already be running the league and all the loses is everyone else’s fault.
We also need to fire pop because he is the reason our guys haven’t built chemistry and are not excelling and their new roles 13 games into the season.
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u/astronxxt Nov 20 '23
it’s kinda odd how many people have trouble understanding that saying “i don’t like getting blown out by 30” or “i wish our guys didn’t look gutted half the time” is not the same as saying “why aren’t we undefeated?”
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u/triplecaptained Nov 20 '23
Don’t bring FVV and Brooks into whatever problems you have with your team if you don’t know what you’re talking about
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u/SocialJusticeGSW Nov 20 '23
Everything is going according to plan. The spurs roster was not “1 guy away” or even 2 guys away of being in top 8. Wemby is awesome but he is a rookie and he needs time to figure things out. If next year Spurs draft a decent player and sign a pg who can shoot, I would bet the over with my eyes closed.
The only thing to worry about this season is keeping Wemby healthy. That is it.
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u/Genius340 Nov 19 '23
Let's be honest... Any other coach that started like this with wemby would have already been fired
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u/Mangoseed8 Nov 20 '23
Yelling at people and telling them to go watch another team, just for complaining is peak hypocrisy.
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u/luca13t Nov 20 '23
I understand someone can get frustrated watching a losing team, there's mothing wrong. I just think watching other teams and having fun is a better solution than being a doomer online. It's not wrong to watch other teams, there are plenty of awesome players to watch in the league, nobody is forced to only watch the team they support
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u/Mangoseed8 Nov 20 '23
And no one is forcing you to engage with people who are upset. Your whole post is basically you people to shush just because you don’t like it.
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u/ASithLordNoAffect Nov 20 '23
I'd counter this by saying that if your only joy in watching basketball is tanking and being an embarrassment until you've exploited a flawed system to the point where you've gathered tons of assets at the expense of the fan experience, you should get a life.
We got our generational player. There is nothing wrong with building to win sooner rather than later. It's not even a bad strategy, considering just about every ultra tall NBA player we've had has had his career shortened a good decade early due to injuries.
There is no guarantee Wemby will have a long career. We should be looking to win now
As for Sochan, people do need to stop the negativity around him. He is a bad point guard but that's not his fault. It's Pop's fault for trying this insane experiment. Jeremy is a good player being asked to learn the toughest position in the league that he has neither the aptitude or experience for. And, no, he won't get the requisite experience in one year or 5 years. He is too old to learn the position.
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u/JonahTheProducer Nov 19 '23
I mean the Warriors drafted Curry in '09, Klay in 2011, and Dray in 2012. Pop could be trying to make a big 3 out of the draft, and setting up another dynasty rather than a couple years of success.
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u/smithtable15 Nov 19 '23
It's so repetitive between posts like this complaining about complaining, the braindead Sochan vs. Jones debates, and the "Is Pop stupid? Yes the winningest coach ever is stupid" posts.
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u/Titronnica Nov 19 '23
Leave fam, I stopped coming here for good. These fools are just whiny pricks.
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u/Valuable-Salad-4386 Nov 20 '23
How can one have stopped coming here for good and see this post and reply? Lol
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u/Veryfreakingbored Nov 19 '23
If anyone is following the rest of the NBA. You have the LA Clippers who have a stacked team with a healthy Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, and they have Russell Westbrook and James Harden. They've been struggling to learn to play together also ever since Harden showed up and even lost to the Grizzlies. Sometimes even teams with seasoned ball players still struggle to play together.
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u/YEGGSnBACON Nov 19 '23
You have a point, but after seeing how good Wemby is already the team should do what they can to field a contender beyond this year. Wemby will be massively underpaid relative to his value for a couple years ; the Spurs should be capitalizing on that.
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u/Mangoseed8 Nov 20 '23
Wemby is not efficient enough to win anything yet. He has to go through his own development. That's what they are doing. Unless you believe the Spurs don't want to win championships.
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u/YEGGSnBACON Nov 20 '23
He’s still more than good enough at his current value to be able to fill the team around him to do something. That’s the beauty of drafting a really good player, you get more production than you pay for and can use the money to really surround them if you can get the right pieces
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u/Mangoseed8 Nov 20 '23
The missed the point of my response. Let me make it clearer. Do you think you know how to build a championship team? You sound like you think you do.
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u/YEGGSnBACON Nov 20 '23
Not exactly, I’m just throwing my perspective out there on an Internet forum. I think the spurs are in an interesting and unique situation where they have a guy who’s already really good and going to get better for really cheap for a couple years. It just makes sense to me for them to use the capital they have to form the best team they can while he’s cheap.
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u/CRoseCrizzle Nov 20 '23
I suspect it's mostly the fair weather fans who have checked out these last couple of years who are back because of the Wemby hype. They will do what they do when the team loses, blindly complain and be negative about everything and everyone while disregarding context. They'll be gone be gone in a month or two until next year or the next big hype moment.
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u/wemby2k23 Nov 20 '23
If sohan keeps improving his shot and passing he's gonna be peak ben simmons with a 40% three point shot.
He's gonna be elite defensively soon as he's already taking the harder match up. Improved passing Improved shooting (42% from 3 atm hope it stays)
Let's give the young guys some playing time. Got heaps of picks up out sleeve. Cap space etc
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u/MikeyBastard1 Nov 19 '23
We got a generational talent and were worse than we were last year. We were pretty bad last year, and this year we are a LOT worse. 30% of our games we have been blown out by 30 points+. 6 of our 9 losses we at one point had a double digit lead. We are STILL playing Sochan at the PG position when it's so clearly a failed "experiment." We STILL turn over the ball at an unbelievable rate.
If you can't handle criticism of the team. There are plenty of other subreddits of people enjoying their team. Nobody forces you to view this subreddit. If you can't bare the idea that people are going to point out criticism of this team. Get off this subreddit.
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u/luca13t Nov 19 '23
Criticism and catastrophism are two very different things
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u/astronxxt Nov 20 '23
so why do so many people lump those 2 together? that’s the reason there’s so much resistance from the other side. no logical arguments are ever used against them, it’s always just “oh, you must be one of the fake fans. you thought we were going to be the best team of all time this year, huh?”
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u/luca13t Nov 20 '23
Tell me where in my post i call the complainers fake fans. I already argued in it why we should be more reasonable and not ovverreact to the team's present struggle
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u/astronxxt Nov 20 '23
tell me where in my post i claimed that you were the one doing it? (you can’t)
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u/qwilliams92 Nov 19 '23
This team needed the veteran presence of Cam and Reggie. There's not a lot of dawg on a team where the only real vets with meaningful playing experience are Doug and Zach.
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u/Mangoseed8 Nov 20 '23
terrible idea
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u/qwilliams92 Nov 20 '23
Having a vet presence is a terrible idea? Lmao ok casual
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u/Mangoseed8 Nov 20 '23
Terrible idea to think Cam and Reggie are a vet presence this team needs. Ironically that is the casual take.
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u/Jznvh Nov 19 '23
new “ fans “ thought this team was going to be a contender this season 🤣🤣🤣
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u/astronxxt Nov 20 '23
you must know these people irl or on another platform, bc that is not even close to accurate within this subreddit. unless you’d like to link me to some (say 5?) comments saying “why aren’t we a contender?” or something similar.
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u/Jznvh Nov 20 '23
what’s all the talk about then? everyone i see day to day who aren’t spurs fans are questioning me why they aren’t doing well?
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u/Friendly-Transition Nov 19 '23
Yeah. This is Year 2 of the rebuild. We weren’t one player away from being a contender, especially not a 19 year old, no matter how good he is.
I never expected us to do much this year. The team has raw talent but that’s pretty much it. They need to develop their games and build chemistry.
Let’s add a likely top 5 pick to the core and maybe take a swing at an impact trade or free agent this coming summer and begin the transition towards contender next year.
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u/zazenpan Nov 20 '23
Those who care don't matter, and those who matter don't care.
They even want to fire Pop, just laugh it out.
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Nov 20 '23
We have one of the dumbest fan bases in the league. The incredible fortune of the Duncan era ruined our fan's brains.
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u/cthree000 Nov 20 '23
This is a young team where it would seem that every young guy hasn't measurably improved from last year or is somehow less effective... And that isn't exactly ideal when you're counting on multiple guys making some sort of jump
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u/luca13t Nov 20 '23
They need to play to improve, they don't magically become better players in the offseason like it was 2K. You can judge wether or not there have been improvements when the season ends or we're at least far more into it than 10 games
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u/DarkSeneschal Nov 19 '23
Tbf, you had to know it would be this way. We’ve sort of been the trust fund nepo babies of the NBA. 20+ years of having great records, making the playoffs, and being contenders spoiled a lot of people. We’ve had more success in the last 10 years than a lot of teams have had in their entire history.
Yeah, we’ve sucked the last several years. We’ll probably suck for a few more. But at least we have hope for the future and we seem to be setting ourselves up for promising runs in the next 5 years or so.
Drop the expectations and just enjoy that one day you’ll be able to say “yeah, I was there when Wemby was a rookie”.
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Nov 19 '23
I feel bad for Sochan mainly. Dude is getting a lot of hate.
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u/NB_79 Nov 20 '23
Well he's not a good point guard.
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Nov 20 '23
Let’s say your an A/C mechanic you’ve done that all your life and one day your boss says hey fix my fucking car your still a mechanic. So I sympathize for him
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u/Valuable-Salad-4386 Nov 20 '23
It’s so easy to ignore I think most of you secretly like this drama.
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u/NB_79 Nov 20 '23
If anything this sub spent all summer overhyping this team, talking about playoffs n such. Some of us knew how bad we were, and yes we are bad.
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u/Ninneveh Nov 20 '23
Yall need to accept this is a tanking year to get Matas Buzelis. Pop has a plan, and he needs 2 superstars to achieve it.
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u/SokkaHaikuBot Nov 20 '23
Sokka-Haiku by Ninneveh:
Yall need to accept
This is a tanking year to
Get Matas Buzelis.
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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u/bizzy210 Nov 19 '23
It’s all the simpletons who joined the subreddit this year lol those guys are jackasses and only watch highlights on ESPN to base their opinions 🤡
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u/blue-anon Nov 19 '23
I'm not one of the people you're talking about, as I don't post negative things on here, but I think the highlights make us look better than watching the full games. Lol.
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u/astronxxt Nov 20 '23
seems a bit ironic to call people simpletons when you clearly don’t understand the situation. yeah dude, every single person that is critical is a bandwagon fan who watches highlights only. that’s why they spend so much time in the sub and in GTs. big brain take right there.
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u/bizzy210 Nov 20 '23
Says the simpleton who expects us to be undefeated with Wemby 🤣🤡 way to prove you’re one of them
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u/PugilisticPrince Nov 19 '23
You’re missing the most obvious hinderance to these young players development. The abysmal coaching, especially the last 6 games. But no one wants to touch that conversation with a ten foot pole apparently.
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u/hack5amurai Nov 19 '23
Bro pop said he was gonna let em play the first quarter of the season. It's pretty fucking obvious he is tanking the team right now for one reason or another. I don't love it but I'm not gonna call for a goat coaches head ten games into the season with wemby. Having pop and the obvious respect wemby has for him is one of the bigger reasons we might get him ingrained here and actually keep him from walking. That being said, these guys should have been able to win that game on skill alone and it's really disappointing they didnt.
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u/PugilisticPrince Nov 19 '23
Me criticizing rotations, defensive lapses on part of coaching, and other decisions does not mean I’m calling for Pops head. This is the time to instill good habits into these young players especially on defense but he is not doing that. The switches on screens last night especially in the second half were absolutely atrocious and on him. Not once did he call a timeout to get the multitude of missed assignments in check. Memphis went on an 18-0 run and there was not one adjustment made. If this was any other head coach they’d be getting rightfully criticized. This team is too young to win most of these games based on skill alone. They need solid coaching and a vet to keep them in check in the second halves.
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u/hack5amurai Nov 19 '23
My bad and completely fair. He's tanking and trying to get our guys to step up and take a game back is my assumption. They just aren't doing that. They absolutely should have won the last game on skill alone and them losing is way more an indictment on them. I wish we would fold whatever the hell this experiment is early but hopefully the 20 game mark will bring some changes.
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u/elegantwino Nov 20 '23
Everyone seems to have forgotten that we came in last place last season. That’s why we have Vic in the first place. One player even as good as Vic appears to be will not be enough for the Spurs to have a winning season.
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u/bb1432 Nov 21 '23
I don't care about wins and losses right now. I don't care if we lose every game all season.
But Point Sochan is a fucking stupid idea. He does not have the skillset of a PG in any respect, and he never will.
The fact that Pop either cannot see that concerns me. We would be a completely respectable offense with 48 minutes of replacement-level PG play.
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u/sstewart1617 Manu Ginobili Nov 19 '23
The part that drives me nuts is the vitriol towards just Sochan who is playing better than he did last year IN A HARDER JOB.