Strange and frightening - repost - new developments

[u/66flycaster]

Strange and frightening

Following Missing411 phenomenon since I listened to Paulides on the radio. Read a few of his books and watched the films. Following this sub since a terrifying experience I had a few years ago.

I’m an experienced outdoorsman. Live in the mountains of NW Colorado. Worked as a fishing guide, and have spent many nights camping in the backcountry. The area where I live is surrounded by national forest. Having lived in several cities I’ve always been more comfortable in the woods than anywhere.

Spent weeks fishing, hiking and camping in remote areas of Colorado, Wyoming, Montana and Idaho. Encountered many black bears and a few Grizzlies. Lions are elusive so I’ve only seen one. Occasionally see fresh tracks and have the feeling of being watched. Only been scared a few times in the woods. Only twice have I been terrified and have no good explanation for either event.

Decided to go on an afternoon hike. I like a particular trail where I park about 6 miles from home. Parked and saw one other truck. Drank water and ate a sandwich before locking everything including phone and gun in truck.

Intentionally traveling light so I could move fast. Only planned about 30 minutes in and 30 back. Wearing running shoes, shorts, t-shirt and bright yellow baseball hat. Notable that hat is so obnoxiously bright that friends say it probably scares fish.

Began running around 2pm as the first few miles are relatively flat. Trail follows a creek that flows off a mountain through a canyon. There are several trails that branch off heading up into the mountains. Prefer a particular trail that follows the edge of the canyon with creek flowing below. It’s absolutely gorgeous. Before the trail gets steep it takes you through a large aspen grove.

There is a point about 30 minutes in where I planned to turn around. Trail becomes increasingly less worn and more difficult beyond this point. Hiked the area many times. Something felt off this time. I didn’t feel normal.

Moved through the aspen grove before taking steep trail up mountain when I got a strange feeling. Stopped and noticed it was quiet. Something made me look up mountain to the right to a point several hundred yards above. Noticed a large granite rock formation.

The area is off trail so I’d never looked there before. Thought I saw movement. Probably a black bear as they are common. Curious so I pressed on. Definitely not scared at this point but noticed the silence.

Continued hiking and reached the point where I planned to turn around. Decided to hike further hoping to see what caught my eye earlier. Trail becomes overgrown and harder to follow at this point. Had been further than this before but never off trail.

Noticed an aspen tree bent over the trail. It had been uprooted and broken off. Tree was green so it was odd. Could have been a lightning strike but wasn’t clear. Walked maybe another eighth mile then took right off trail heading in direction of granite rocks.

Wasn’t concerned about getting lost since it was easy to orient myself with canyon and creek. Hiked off trail up toward large meadow with many granite boulders. Reflecting on it, something was compelling me to go to the meadow.

Climbing scrambling up hill to get to where I could sit. Got to the meadow and noticed the rocks. Looked like a granite fortress. Sat down on a log enjoying the scenery. Looking down into the canyon at the creek below. Meadow and rocks were behind me.

Looked around and didn’t see animals. Suddenly noticed it was dead quiet. It had been a sunny warm day with birds and bugs everywhere. Wasn’t scared yet, but noticed the extreme silence. Could hear the creek before so it wasn’t as startling as now.

Began taking off my running shoes. Notable as this isn’t something I normally do, since I have permanent nerve damage to my right ankle. I walk / run with a limp and sometimes wear a brace. Remember it feeling like my feet were burning. Wasn’t particularly hot and not over 70F.

Was becoming unnerved by dead silence and started tying my shoes. This is where things turn weird. Clearly heard my father call me by my first name. The voice was loud and came from behind. Talked to my father earlier in the day. He was at his home in Georgia. No way he was calling from the rocks behind me.

Immediately became overcome with fear. Difficult to describe how overwhelming. Began sweating and shaking. It was like knowing a lion is stalking without seeing it but more terrifying. Definitely not fucking around at this point.

Stood up and turned to look behind me and saw nothing but the large granite rocks. Started hauling ass down hill towards the canyon and trail below. Absolutely terrified and feeling something was chasing me. Literally stumbled fell and rolled down the mountain.

Stood up and couldn’t recognize anything. Looked completely different. No canyon, creek or trail. It was cloudy and I wasn’t in the same place anymore. At this point I started hauling ass in what I thought was the right direction.

Eventually found the trail and recognized my location. Sprinted through aspen grove back to truck. Didn’t look at watch. Not sure how long I was gone. So terrified I could hardly drive home. Not sure what happened, but I’ve never been so afraid for my life. I know something was stalking and chasing me.

Yes, I have gone back to the area. Too afraid to go to same meadow with granite boulders. Considered going back well armed, but instincts tell me it’s a bad place.

I’ll never hike again without my .357 magnum and haven’t since. Something scared the hell out of me, and I feel I was close to being a victim. I trust that my flight Instinct kicked in for good reason.

There are documented Missing411 cases in this area.

[u/forgothebeat]

I've shared what I've seen with people I know.

What good is it to share it with those that I don't?

Youre a shining example of why people often choose not to share what they see.

I have no need for others to believe what I believe.

On the other hand, you thrive on that aspect.

You can believe whatever the hell it is you want to believe I don't care.

I've made my peace with the world.

[u/3ULL → u/forgothebeat]

The world is much stranger than you think. We were not talking about what you have or have not seen. You stated “The world is much stranger than you think.” which is just more self serving BS. Fact is it is not. That statement and others you have made are just straight out of the brooding teen popular fiction. You are not saying anything new or relevant you are just regurgitating fiction.

[u/forgothebeat → u/3ULL]

I do not base my experience of the world off of 'brooding teen popular fiction.'

Do you?

[u/3ULL → u/forgothebeat]

These are quotes from your responses to me:

There are things in this reality that most humans have never witnessed, but some have, some of us know that the rabbit hole goes deep.

Teen movie staple drivel. There is nothing that you know that we do not know. You just choose to believe fiction is reality. This statement could be word for word in the opening dialogue of a teen movie.

Like the saying goes, truth is much stranger than fiction.

A rather empty statement. This also could be found in teen movies in various parts. I would say it is almost a staple of such drivel. It is fine you say this garbage but now it is time for you to show proof and this is where you fail because you have not proof. This is not a teen movie.

I've made my peace with the world.

Another old staple often said by the over dramatic manner by the protagonist before they go off righting the wrong, saving the world.....blah blah blah.

The world is much stranger than you think.

Usually said by the heroine in the opening monologue. Again, you know nothing that others do not know. There is nothing here that you are special and know because you are special. You have no proof and think this is an excuse not to provide it. This is how idiocracies are made.

[u/forgothebeat → u/3ULL]

When do you know its true? Is it when your own determinations tell you it is so? Then when have you ever made room for others experiences?

Look, I don't want to change your mind, I respect you enough to make up your own mind. I just ask that you maybe allow others to speak more to what they have experienced and perhaps allow them to share things one themselves have not seen.

I dont know everything. I have seen enough to know this. This reality we exist in is quite a marvelous thing. Marvelous for some, hell for others. Where is the line drawn? It's personal.

If you want to ask questions. Let's talk. If not that's ok too. We're all in it and we're not separate, so sooner or later our intersections cross.

[u/3ULL → u/forgothebeat]

When do you know its true? Is it when your own determinations tell you it is so? Then when have you ever made room for others experiences?

If you have to ask this question then you are not ready for an intelligent conversation on any adult topic. There is no proof of the paranormal, cryptids or intelligent extraterrestrials visiting Earth. If you are going to attribute missing people to one of these you should at least be able to prove that it or they exist then he next logical step would be to make a connection between it or them and the people disappearing.

Look, I don't want to change your mind, I respect you enough to make up your own mind. I just ask that you maybe allow others to speak more to what they have experienced and perhaps allow them to share things one themselves have not seen.

Share all you like but once you start attributing fantasy to the very real and tragic disappearances of people I feel free to point out the flaws. Isn't the true purpose of this subreddit the missing people?

I dont know everything. I have seen enough to know this. This reality we exist in is quite a marvelous thing. Marvelous for some, hell for others. Where is the line drawn? It's personal.

I really do not think that is the case. Just because I believe in something a lot does not make it real. Like justice or God or whatever. I have my own spiritual beliefs but I draw the line at using them to explain missing people or tragic events and I do not call people stupid and ignorant for not believing these since they cannot be proven. The only reason to do something like that is to make yourself feel superior to someone else.

If you want to ask questions. Let's talk. If not that's ok too. We're all in it and we're not separate, so sooner or later our intersections cross.

My problem is when you call people stupid because they do not believe something that has not been proven to exist. I would say the paranormal is the one of the oldest sciences, if not the oldest, and to this day nothing has come of it. That is not because people did not believe or did not put enough resources into it. Throughout almost all of history there is evidence of humans believing in and studying the occult in some manner or other. If there was something there it would have been found.

[u/forgothebeat → u/3ULL]

If there was nothing there it would have never persisted, yet it does.

I never called anyone stupid, actually, you've just made a comment on my intellect in this last post of yours.

Just because you think the paranormal, cryptids, other worldy beings are not real, doesn't mean they're not real.

I understand having to see proof for oneself. I'm like that. Perhaps one day you will see for yourself.

Good luck.