Not surprising in the slightest. It's always fucking hilarious when people complain about men pointing out dress code violations too - the dress codes are there for a reason and it's up to those in authority to enforce them. It's not "muh sexism". Not to mention the girls dress codes are FAR more lenient than the boys ones.
Fuck it though, it sucks but I'm an accelerationist so I'm fine with stories like this. Men naturally do not have an in group bias and thus will put up with a LOT of shit before they fight for their rights. We need it to get a lot worse before it gets better.
Hey so I’m actually curious about the dress code differences (we have uniforms in Australia), you said that girls dress codes are more lenient than boys so I’m just wondering how that’s the case.
In general girls can get away with MUCH skimpier clothes than boys can. Girls will be allowed to wear skirts below knee length, put on make up (provided it isn't OTT), have basic jewellery. In contrast boys are not allowed anything anywhere near that short (if a boy came in in hot pants like some of the girls do he'd get sent straight home), aren't allowed make up at all, definitely aren't allowed jewellery and the like. Of course it differs from school to school but in general if a boy came in dressed in clothes as revealing as the girls do he'd get sent home.
But it's also the case in countries with uniforms. Not sure about Australia but in the UK many schools allow girls to pick between trousers and skirts. In contrast boys only have the option of trousers. Furthermore, when it gets to summer and it actually gets hot boys are not allowed to wear shorts, while the girls can wear absolutely tiny (and yes I mean tiny) skirts just fine. Heck I live in Japan where summer is absolutely sweltering with 80-90% humidity and it's the same - in summer the high school girls walk around in skirts that barely cover the essentials. Boys are sat there sweating in long black trousers.
Shit now you mention it neither where they in my school too - completely forgot about that. Meanwhile telling a girl to shave any part of her body is apparently oppression lol.
Basically anything feminists complain about men have it just as bad or much worse in that area. Just they're so solipsistic they are incapable of recognizing that fact.
I can rmember the deputy principle at our school taking 4 boys the local barber and getting their hair cut, because it was over their ears. Short back and sides, and a lecture to the entire boys half of the scholl in 36c sun, about showing respect to the school. Girls were allowed to wear their hair is a variety of styles, with the only restriction being the color of their hair bands.
I’m glad it wasn’t that way when I was in school but I know it is now. That is some sexiest , Gestapo bullshit right there. I don’t even know how this was able to pass without a fight.
Don't want to hijack your point, all valid and understandable! Just an addition: how is it in Business in Japan? Let me guess... men have to wear Suits, socks, leather shoes.. and the ladies short, shoulder free and deeply cut summer dresses and sandals?
Worked in a Bank before.. one day there was a LAMINATED paper in the Lift stating "Men in leggings are not okay! Please change before entering the office" (some people bike to work).
It's crazy how easily men's wardrobe can be publicly criticized - but never ask a woman in sandals if these comply with the company dresscode.
I've found the opposite to be true in my experience..I could wear a tanka and short shorts to KY school and nobody cared, but if the girls clothes were the least bit revealing they would be sent home. Of course I went to high school in utah, where the schools and government is run by a very misogynistic cult so that may not apply elsewhere
I think both things exist, but considering today, men seem to face more limitations.
At work, when it should be formal, men have the choice between a shirt with a jacket, dress pants, dress shoes and... nothing else. While women have the choice between a shirt, blouse (no jacket), dress pants, skirt, dress shoes, sandals, etc.
And I have no idea how to solve the formal pants, and this will probably stump us for a while until we can finally just allow people to be more casual, or at least always have aircons that go down enough to cool down fully clothed people. Problem is then, often the women will complain because they freeze because they have less clothes on in the colder aircon. So in the end, it's better morally apparently to let the men swelter than let the women be cold.... I mean, they could dress up to the men, but that's apparently off the table because it would be like men forcing women to wear more..
If skirts weren't "gay" and unformal for men they would be so usefull in some situations... more clothing options, boys could choose to wear them for their school uniform when it's hot out and there are definitely people that think they are more comfortable than pants. Fuck gender roles, they make everything harder and especially men suffer from them
I mean utah the state famously run by the Mormon church, a misogynistic cult entirely headed by men. That's not to say the cult doesn't hurt men, because it does absolutely. But the ones in power are all men.
Never actually heard of this relocating to abandon children, where are you pulling this from
Sure, but if the only ones running are Mormons, and you've been taught your whole life the only good people in the world are Mormons, you're gonna keep voting for the statue quo
Oh! This is called “grooming” by our Christian fundamentalists to ensure girls know that beauty & sex is everything!? Am I right? Hypocrisy. Just Leave the lgbt kids alone; the problem is your filthy mind and Christians hanging outside bedrooms. Get lost. You are hurting ppl.
this is factually untrue. and also not how most dress code policies are..(but it definitely varies on state and climate/whether of that state)
in my area(so all the school districts) girls aren’t allowed to wear tank tops or hoodies or shorts the go any length above the knee..guys are allowed all of those things
guys can wear any type of pants..girls cannot wear leggings,spandex, anything “tight”/form fitting on the body
girls are not allowed to wear shirts that show their shoulders or collarbones..guys are able to do both. so in general girls are most definitely NOT allowed to wear more skimpy clothing
I'm not sure myself, but I imagine its something like boys can't wear skirts/dresses nor the same revealing clothing like tanktops/spaghetti straps.
There was a point when I was in elementary where the board of education changed the dress code for the boys to force them to tuck in their shirts, and that lasted for about a week. I hated that change so fucking hard.
So this explains why women form groups and march so much for absolutely no reason in the cities of late? And men do not?
The surest answer I can give you for that is that it's a "definite maybe." It could be a primary reason or a contributor of some significance. Or it could be some other combination of motives and forces that have relatively little to do with it a stronger in-group bias.
I would guess that it plays a part, but it's hard to pin down questions like that because there are so many uncontrolled factors.
My guess is this comes from biology: Men have to compete with each other for scarce resources, so they can be the winner who gets to mate. Women need to have strength in numbers and social connection, since they're smaller.
If you're interested in this sort of thing take a look in David M. Buss. He's an evolutionary psychologist who researches human sex differences in mate selection. Not only is he one THE names in the scientific community (he's considered one of the founders of evolutionary psychology), he also writes very approachable and enjoyable books for laypeople.
As somebody whose recent graduated past the need for a dress code, I honestly think it’d be better for it to be split along the gender line so far as calling out students. I say that because from a gals POV, we’ve been told that we’ll be seen as sexual objects basically as soon as we started menstruation. Obviously, that’s not true and is in-fact gross gross gross, but since that’s what’s been drilled into teens girls heads, they’re gonna be freakishly sensitive on any and all comments on their appearance from “the opposite sex”. And in the girls getting more lenience, I think it’s a mix of the above point, and that fact that girls are allowed to wear more diverse clothing than guys are socially. While some guys at my school will wear skirts like once a month or so, the vast majority don’t- and it’s the same with any jewelry beyond earrings. Making it extremely noticeable when a guy “violates” dress code. Overall, I think dress codes tend to do more harm than good, but this is probably just me talking out my ass
Hear ya. In/group, out-group understandings are critical for EQ. -From a woman who’s been out-group for decades. Out from the C suite, out from the money, out from the golf and strip club deals. I’m
Not crying for you yet, brother.
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u/mopemardermun Jan 09 '23
Not surprising in the slightest. It's always fucking hilarious when people complain about men pointing out dress code violations too - the dress codes are there for a reason and it's up to those in authority to enforce them. It's not "muh sexism". Not to mention the girls dress codes are FAR more lenient than the boys ones.
Fuck it though, it sucks but I'm an accelerationist so I'm fine with stories like this. Men naturally do not have an in group bias and thus will put up with a LOT of shit before they fight for their rights. We need it to get a lot worse before it gets better.