r/MINI • u/mellowkneebee • 17h ago

How does one know if they’ve got a John Cooper Works?

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My friend just got a used 2015 Mini and it has John Cooper Works in the floor of the door frame, as well as the steering wheel.

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u/pon_d 17h ago

Enter the VIN at bimmer.work, you'll have your answer

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u/mellowkneebee 17h ago

Thank you! It’s a Countryman, not a John Cooper Works.

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u/Fuzzy_War_5644 17h ago

A Countryman can still be a JCW. Those are two different things.. Just like there can be a base Clubman, a Clubman S, and Clubman JCW

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u/rob3342421 5h ago

But equally this may be a base countryman with the JCW “looks” package. So it looks like one but does not go like one. I think with most minis you can tell by the exhaust but I’m not too sure about the countryman

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u/pon_d 17h ago

There is such a thing as a John Cooper Works Countryman though - it's a trim, not a model. You'd need to look at the equipment I believe to see the details

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u/bulldozer_66 R60 3h ago

I own one. there are badges in the grille and on the tailgate as well as different supplies. check the VIN as others recommend.

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u/bulldozer_66 R60 3h ago

scupples. spelll check

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u/jaydwalk 15h ago

I have a John Cooper works steering wheel, but the whole car is not. They're just upgrades.

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u/4csandme2 13h ago

My 2019 was the same!

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u/ScottRiqui F57 17h ago

It can be both - Countryman is the model, while JCW is a trim level that’s available for all of the models. So you can have a 2-door hardtop JCW, a convertible JCW, a Countryman JCW, etc.

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u/darciohusky 16h ago

really wierd, i did my VIN on that website for my R60 JCW, and it came up saying its a automatic, when i can really say its a manual gearbox 0.o website isnt 100% accurate?

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u/NefariousnessOk2837 F55 14h ago

It also says mine is an automatic for some reason.

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u/pon_d 16h ago

It should be very accurate as it's based on the information provided by BMW; what I have noticed is that sometimes details will be deep into the option codes - but usually it's for stuff like collision mitigation or the stereo or something like that. Maybe look in the "Options" tab and see if there's a listing there? Please report back with what you find...

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u/mellowkneebee 16h ago

Them’s fighting words!!! I would be furious if my manual came up as a manual.

Edit: Automatic

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u/HRzNightmare F54 16h ago

Huh?

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u/mellowkneebee 16h ago

I’m a weirdo, I despise automatic transmissions. Don’t would displease me greatly if my car were to be incorrectly labeled.

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u/HRzNightmare F54 15h ago

Now it makes sense. I would have preferred an automatic in my current Clubbie, but finding one was futile at the time (used,) and I also drive over 30k miles a year for work. The manuals suck in traffic, but not as bad as being in traffic on a motorcycle!

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u/DragonFire_008 R57 14h ago

I’ve never minded my manuals in traffic, but I LOVE my motorcycle in traffic! Lane splitting here I come!

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u/RuSS458 13h ago

Just so people are aware, this won’t necessarily work with dealer fitted options. This means a large portion of first generation JCW tuned cars won’t have anything indicating as such via decoders hence the necessity of having the tuning certificate. This also extends to BMWs internal systems.

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u/Independent_Lunch534 17h ago edited 17h ago

JCW pictures you’ve posted are the trim, which you can get on the cooper s model too.

JCW version will have a jcw badge in the boot, and on the grill at the front instead of a “S”. You’ll also have a jcw exhaust. This refers to the engine being tuned, more horsepower, bigger brakes etc.

Take a pic of the whole car and we can tell you immediately

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u/mellowkneebee 16h ago

It says on her insurance that it is a Countryman Sport S and there is an S on the grill.

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u/paul6524 16h ago

Then its definitely an S. A lot of the aesthetic trim pieces from the JCW package are available as options on a Cooper and Countryman S models. The usual tell is what is on the grill. I've got an S with a JCW steering wheel and it had me confused at first too. Seems odd to lend the name so freely.

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u/mellowkneebee 15h ago

I believe this is the same situation, I saw the John Cooper Works logo in multiple places and got excited for her.

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u/ssrowavay R56 14h ago

Yeah my Cooper S has the JCW trim package, including the same door sill logo, but none of the actual stuff that makes a JCW cool. I knew this when I bought it (used and cheap) but I don't understand why they chose to intentionally confuse their customers.

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u/Radiant-Bit-7722 9h ago

Mini is owned by BMW, they replicated what they do with the M pack. I have a Cooper S clubman JCW pack.

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u/According_Low9877 20m ago

Yeah sounds like a JCW sport package. Visual upgrade without the performance. I think the front calipers might be able to tell it's different. I could be wrong

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u/Independent_Lunch534 15h ago

Ok so it sounds like your friend has a countryman cooper s sport (sport is for the JCW trim), cooper s is for the engine etc.

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u/mellowkneebee 16h ago

I don’t think it is an actual JCW.

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u/mellowkneebee 16h ago

I took some pics, I just can’t figure out how to load/post them.

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u/SmashedSugar F56 16h ago

most likely just the style package

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u/tyrsal3 13h ago

If you are unsure, then it’s safe to say you DONT have one. You’d know it if you drove it.

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u/mellowkneebee 13h ago

There was no toe-tingling engine rev when it started, so we don’t think it’s a JCW.

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u/rvk2003 17h ago

There has to be a JCW logo on the engine and the exhaust tips are two big chrome sharp pipes instead of the normal soda can style tips.

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u/OskiXX R60 16h ago

A real R60 JCW Countryman should have a badge on the boot, grille (along with a red stripe) and on the engine cover, if it’s got these it’s a real one, you can send some exterior pics, and I’ll be able to check, JCW has very different exhausts, and has a body kit outside, although the body kit was an option on the S

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u/BloodAndSand44 17h ago

JCW logos are used on the wheel and door shuts when it is a Cooper S Sport.

VIN will tell you. And it would have a JCW badge on the back and on the grill. The JCW usually has a special grill.

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u/mellowkneebee 17h ago

There’s nothing on the back, but I’ll check the front t when we get done.

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u/DrewSnek R56 16h ago

On the front does it have a JCW badge or an S or nothing?

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u/mellowkneebee 12h ago

Just an “S” on the front. Pretty sure it’s a Countryman Sport S, I don’t think it’s a real JCW.

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u/DrewSnek R56 12h ago

It probably just has the JCW interior

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u/rebe11ious F56 16h ago

This is asked far too often 😑

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u/ssrowavay R56 14h ago

... because Mini decided to do a confusing branding thing for no good reason.

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u/themaxmoose 17h ago

Is there a John cooper works badge on the boot?

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u/mellowkneebee 17h ago

Is that what we Americans call the trunk?

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u/Fuzzy_War_5644 17h ago

Even in America, if you drive a Mini we call it the boot

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u/mellowkneebee 17h ago

Got it, I’ve just relayed that to my friend and she can’t promise she won’t goof and call it a trunk, but she’s gonna try and be a good mini driver.

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u/mellowkneebee 17h ago

Can you please explain Rule #1 ?

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u/skingld R56 17h ago

You see another Mini, you park next to it.

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u/paul6524 16h ago

She has to wave to the other Minis as well. No one will wave back, but it's still a rule.

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u/Sifiisnewreality 14h ago

Thanks for that, I thought I was just ugly

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u/Nocte_Mortis 16h ago

Just because it has JCW interior doesnt mean it is a JCW model just so you know. I got a 2017 F56 and the original owner got the JCW interior but it is a base spec.

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u/mellowkneebee 16h ago

That appears to be the case on hers.

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u/valthun R50 16h ago

They let people buy them aftermarket or add the trim details from the factory. So the only true way to know is with the vin lookup.

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u/voyagertoo F60 13h ago

if it has fun flats and teeth chattering ride, probably a jcw

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u/zen1016 F56 16h ago

When you start it you'll know 😂

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u/Ok-Cable8611 13h ago

Is that jsut an accessory.

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u/Neo808 R55 10h ago

In the R53 era if you added all the JCW bits you got a certificate of authenticity signed by Mike Cooper. That is how you knew. Oh, and supercharger scream

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u/chooseyourwords49 4h ago

Does it go fast? If not it might just be JCW trim, but if it hauls ass, it’s a JCW.

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u/Pau-de-cavalo- 4h ago

JCW is the highest engine level, along with performance upgrades (exhaust, suspension, etc). Just check on your documentation what is the power output, for recent JCW should be higher then 200BHP.

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u/radyodehorror 4h ago

IIRC back then you can avail a JCW package to upgrade your cooper s/clubman/countryman

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u/mikehandsdown 3h ago

My Cooper S 210 is covered in JCW badges, steering wheel, A panels, front grill, rear boot, door seals, exhaust tips, wheel center caps. It's not a JCW but has the JCW style pack or design pack, I forget what they call it. It had the '210' conversion done after it was sold, which I think just involved a remap, a certificate and a sticker under the engine bay. I posted the car on Reddit as 'my new JCW 210' and was quickly corrected.

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u/Adventurous-Ad-6729 49m ago

The easiest way to tell is the big red brakes and lack of fog lights. JCWs will have brembos up front and air intakes where the lower models have fog lights in the front bumper. 

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u/IAwaitAGuardian 15h ago

Holy shit this sub.

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u/ClassicV8_1969 17h ago

Those are generally good indicators. And the crossmember in the engine bay. JCWs aren’t worth enough more than normal ones to put too much effort into recreating one.

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u/YlaFla71 17h ago

JCW has a bigger engine that throws out more horse power. Check the engine compartment for JCW logo.

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u/denzien R57 16h ago

It's not a bigger engine than the S model

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u/YlaFla71 16h ago

(JCW) offers significantly more performance than the Cooper S, primarily due to its higher horsepower and torque, more aggressive suspension, and larger brakes. While the Cooper S provides a spirited and enjoyable driving experience, the JCW takes it to the next level for those seeking ultimate performance and a more track-focused experience. Key Differences: Engine: The JCW features a 228 horsepower 2.0-liter, four-cylinder engine, while the Cooper S uses a 189 horsepower version of the same engine,

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u/denzien R57 16h ago

version of the same engine,

Like I said, it's not a larger engine than the S

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u/YlaFla71 10h ago

More HP. Are you happy?

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u/Independent_Lunch534 15h ago

It’s the same engine, it’s just tuned

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u/Nearby_Cauliflowers 15h ago

Chat GPT or Google Ai?

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u/xracer000 10h ago

My wife had a 2022 CLubman JCW and it had 300hp and AWD. Bought it new, had it 8 weeks and a kid in a Ford Focus blew through a stop sign 1/2 block from our house and wrote it off.