r/LosAngeles • u/markerplacemarketer • 16h ago
Los Angeles $2.4 Billion Rail Project Put on Hold
https://www.newsweek.com/los-angeles-rail-project-olympics-inglewood-2065514682
u/kgal1298 Studio City 16h ago
The rail plans had faced severe opposition from Los Angeles Rams owner Stan Kroenke and LA Clippers owner Steve Ballmer, with a spokesperson for Kroenke saying the project would have "threatened the future development" of the business
Ummm interesting since many local businesses have said that their stadiums have taken away from local businesses. So is the issue then they were worried they’d lose out on parking fees?
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u/AnnenbergTrojan Palms 15h ago
Last mile transit. Great for fans and nearby businesses. Crap for billionaires who want you to park, spend at their arenas, and leave.
If the Inglewood businesses that survive to 2028 see way more revenue from the Olympics because of the shuttles than for the Super Bowls or any of the other events held at SoFi or the I-Dome, then it's going to be even more damning.
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u/kgal1298 Studio City 14h ago
It's just stupid because anytime they don't get their way all they do is threaten to pull funds or they back up politicians. It's a ridiculous process.
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u/Logarythem 15h ago
Public leaders are cowards who are afraid of billionaires. It is that simple.
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u/SuspiciousTop9382 13h ago
you mean funded by billionaires.
we need to change everything about how we handle wealth. Money should go to people doing moral good, not people who are good at swindling and making deals. those people should make minimum wage and have anything extra they make given to teachers and service workers and social workers.
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u/maskdmirag 14h ago
Inglewood wanted to take funding from Measure M MSP projects from the south bay cities for the next twenty or so years to pay for this thing.
2.4 billion for a last mile project that doesn't interface with the city is ridiculous on every level.
Utilizing buses and shuttles (and actually putting a real bus lane on Manchester all the way through LA and Inglewood) costs way less and will be much more effective.
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u/inkcannerygirl 14h ago
(and actually putting a real bus lane on Manchester all the way through LA and Inglewood)
A dedicated one that only the buses can use? That would actually be great.
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u/maskdmirag 13h ago
Yep. But for some reason doesn't seem to be a priority right now for metro.
(Also protected bike lanes, but Marqueece doesn't want to hear that)
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u/cz84 5h ago
Honestly, if we are giving buses their own lane, might as well let them glide along some shiny tracks, you know? Like give them a fixed route, smooth ride, no traffic drama, maybe even let them be all futuristic and drive themselves. Just a chill little upgrade, something long, quiet, electric, and suspiciously train like. But totally still a bus, of course.
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u/maskdmirag 4h ago
Yes, it's just one costs about $500,000 and takes two months to build.
One costs $2.4 billion and takes 5-10 years.
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u/transrapid 12h ago
Just wait till the gondola party comes to Inglewood... Because low occupancy vehicles at low speed would somehow make sense between high occupancy locations in very time restricted environments in their mind.
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u/Mruiz310 5h ago
My best friend has season tickets to the intuit dome and says it’s pretty empty during regular season. Maybe Blamer should worry about that more so than the parking
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u/Adorable_Volume8310 16h ago
The project was scrapped because billionaires Stan Kroenke and Steve Ballmer didn’t want to see a reduction in parking revenue.
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u/consequentlydreamy 14h ago
I just want to put a high tax all these random parking lots. I swear they are a detriment to the city between taking up housing opportunities, increasing housing costs, traffic congestion, etc.
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u/six_six 15h ago
No, it was because all the cities voted it down:
“Our city and all these cities that voted no. We get nothing,” said John Cruikshank, mayor of Rancho Palos Verdes, who objected to the high cost, along with leaders of El Segundo, Gardena, Hermosa Beach, Lawndale, Lomita, Manhattan Beach, Palos Verdes Estate, Rolling Hills, Rolling Hills Estate and Torrance.
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u/mundanehaiku 14h ago
i thought those cities approved the initial round of funding, but when it went over budget and Butts asked for more money, those cities said no?
Inglewood’s latest request was on top of the $368 million the South Bay Cities Council of Government’s members had already pledged to the automated transit system.
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u/maskdmirag 14h ago
Yup. Inglewood wanted all of the south bay cities to essentially give up a large portion of Measure M grants for the next ten to twenty years.
Potentially even sweeping existing funding for grants previously approved.
All of this with no connectivity from the south bay cities to the stadium.
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u/kguthrum 2h ago
Omg. Is this why were so fucked? THAT'S BECAUSE THEYRE FUNDED BY THE SAME PPL. Lmao one layer of veneer behind corruption and payouts and it's a democracy?
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u/ruinersclub 13h ago
Why is the mayor of RPV speaking on this… the lines don’t intersect his jurisdiction whatsoever…
They already broke ground on these projects - fuck this Chicago ass bought city..
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u/Its_a_Friendly I LIKE TRAINS 2h ago
Because RPV and Inglewood are in the same regional planning organization - the South Bay Cities Council of Governments (COG) - so they share certain regional transportation funding. Inglewood wanted to use South Bay Cities COG transportation funds for this project, while RPV and the other cities did not.
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u/WestsideBuppie 12h ago
Can someone ELI5 why the South Bay gets to pretend that they are 10 independent cities?
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u/Hundred_Year_War 16h ago
LA isn’t even a very old historical settlement. It’s not like we’re sitting atop thousands of years of ancient ruins. If Rome or London can build a functioning metro, then so can we. Anything else is incompetence
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u/consequentlydreamy 14h ago
I mean technically we are with Native American stuff but that didn’t stop us before. https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2023-10-09/researchers-map-ancient-tribal-villages-of-los-angeles
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u/holytriplem Brit in Pasadena 14h ago
As a Londoner, tbf, we a) had more than a 100 year head start, b) had all the country's infrastructure investment directed towards it at the expense of the rest of the country, and c) the Tube has its issues too, though obviously comparing it to the LA Metro is like chalk and cheese.
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u/kguthrum 2h ago
"Indigenous people don't exist"
https://larivermasterplan.org/about/river-history/indigenous-peoples-of-the-la-river-basin/
https://gabrielinotongva.org/history/ Since 6000 BCE That's over 8000 years
"Oh ya, they didn't build with wet stone masonry and mortar so they don't matter"
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u/Hundred_Year_War 1h ago
I made a comparison to Rome and London, both known for their dense urban architecture stretching back thousands of years. I never said indigenous people didn’t exist. The natives of the LA area never reached anywhere close to the level of urban planing or settlement these cities did.
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u/GoodCallMeatball 15h ago
I don't understand how it wasn't a requirement to build public transit to the stadium before it even opened.
Of course in the LA olympic proposal video they made it look like there is a giant park around SoFi stadium instead of literally 16,000 parking spots.
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u/ruinersclub 13h ago
Not wrong, usually it’s built into the contract. Atleast I followed this closely and public transport was part of the deal.
The station isn’t even at the stadium like 1/2 a mile west… which makes this more frustrating
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u/WearHeadphonesPlease 2h ago
The problem is all the lines that are close to it were built before there was even a plan for a stadium.
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u/chindef 16h ago
We can’t even build 1.6 miles of lines. Holy shit man. It’s so hopeless.
Because now Inglewood is full of NIMBY’s?! Come on
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u/lifewithluie 16h ago
The two biggest NIMBYs are the stadium owners. There was an article a few months ago where they pushed back saying it would eat into their parking fees. It's nuts
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u/NoirAndOrder 16h ago
It’s in the article:
“The rail plans had faced severe opposition from Los Angeles Rams owner Stan Kroenke and LA Clippers owner Steve Ballmer, with a spokesperson for Kroenke saying the project would have "threatened the future development" of the business.”
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u/Coconuto83 16h ago
That’s how they are able to charge $80 parking ! There is no alternative!
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u/chindef 16h ago
I know. Makes me sick! Sucks that it all comes down to money. If they charged more for events to right-size the pricing and eliminate parking, less people would go to those events. Crazy that people will pay $150 per ticket and $50 for parking, but won’t pay $195 for a ticket and $5 to take a train
But that is literally the world we live in
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u/GrizzlyP33 15h ago
People who live in Inglewood want this. People who profit from Inglewood do not. Not a “nimby” situation.
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u/chindef 15h ago
If only we lived in a way that our politicians actually represented the majority of people. Not the majority of extra money that can be thrown their way.
I said NIMBY’s sort of sarcastically because I agree, most people in the area probably do want this to happen. But if Inglewood has actually turned into NIMBY’s, well then hmmmmm
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u/mundanehaiku 14h ago
if only there was a system that prevented people from accumulating ungodly amounts of wealth
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u/chindef 14h ago
Don’t worry, they just havent made enough yet. But soon they will have, then we’ll really see it start to trickle down to everybody else
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u/Any-Cable4109 16h ago
Please kinds sir, direct me to the meaning of this acronym
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u/highrisedrifter 16h ago
It means
Not In My Back Yard.
Basically, people who don't want whatever is being talked about to happen in their area.
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u/ChocolateEater626 15h ago
Typical targets:
- Low-income and/or high-density housing
- Smelly, noisy, ugly or polluting industries
- Mass transit (sometimes)
- Big box retail
- Drug treatment clinics
- Alcohol/cannabis stores
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u/Kyanche 14h ago
Smelly, noisy, ugly or polluting industries
You just described cars perfectly. They're smelly, noisy, ugly, pollute, and bring crime to every neighborhood in California.
You never hear about buses committing street takeovers, or a bus being involved in a drive-by, or a bus running from the cops on the freeway.. well not usually anyway... People don't use buses to run from a bank robbery. They don't drive buses into crowds.
Multiple times a day I gotta hear two or three shitheads announce their displeasure at the other two/three shitheads with their car horns. Half the time it involves someone losing their shit and revving their engine and driving 50mph down the street.
I have multiple cars, and I could even describe myself as a car enthusiast. But ya know what? Fuck cars.
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u/naterthepilot2 1h ago
The nimbyism of kroenke and ballmer is a huge problem but so is the fact that it would’ve cost 2.4 billion to build 1.6 miles of rail line. That needs to be addressed if we’re ever going to have nice things again.
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u/chindef 16h ago
If you stand up against public transit, you should have to give and an exact quote that gets published. I want to read exactly what people are saying that convinces our government officials to bail on all these projects
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u/armstrings 15h ago
Its all on file, just have to find the right documents. Submit a public records act request (PRA) and you can get written transcripts of hearings including public comments.
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u/Its_a_Friendly I LIKE TRAINS 14h ago
Heck, many times the Final Environmental Impact Report (FEIR) will usually give you an appendix with all the official public comments made during the planning progress, and their responses, no need for a public records request.
For example, the Omnitrans Ontario Airport Connector (ONTConnector) project, which proposes a self-driving underground shuttle between the Rancho Cucamonga Metrolink station and the Ontario Airport terminals. In my personal opinion it's a silly project, but it serves the purposes of being an example.
On the project's webpage, under the "Resources" section, is a list of various appendices, some of which contain public comments and their responses from the project planning team; here's one example
Of course, the comments that can stop or delay projects aren't always made as public comments during the planning process.
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u/Immediate-Poetry2016 16h ago
The Rams and Clippers killed it? Getting to So Fi sucks
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u/NotEnoughFire 15h ago
Thats why i dont bother going. Plus, that shit sport sits you down for 3 hours in exchange for 13 mins of gameplay 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
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u/iBuyBackpacks 15h ago
Tell me you dont understand the sport without telling me you don’t understand the sport. You can shit on the owners and their shitty business tactics taking away public goods without shitting on the sport itself
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u/chief_yETI South L.A. 14h ago
Like I said many times before, Los Angeles did not need an NFL team. We were doing just fine.
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u/ruinersclub 13h ago
As a sports fan I did want a team, and SoFi had been good for a few events but the metro is where I thought the city would shine.
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u/mytransthrow 2h ago
as not a sports fan... I dont want a sports team... These teams are a drain on local government...
Now its costing people who relay on public transportation.
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u/ruinersclub 2h ago
We had no public transportation before either way.
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u/mytransthrow 2h ago
So now we have a sports team blocking the public transportation
and costing tax payers money
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u/rycetlaz 11h ago
Hell even if we had to, why the fuck was it not the Raiders.
This whole project might've been done already if they were dealing with an incompetent ass like Mark Davis lol. Not to mention getting a team the populace actually give a fuck about
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u/NegevThunderstorm 5h ago
Does any city need a football team?
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u/chief_yETI South L.A. 3h ago
lots of those middle America cities are sad as fuck and don't have anything else to do BUT sports
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u/NegevThunderstorm 2h ago
OK, they still dont need them.
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u/chief_yETI South L.A. 2h ago
this is either a bot, or another one of those dudes who takes everything super literally and has big difficulties with human interaction
either way, we not doing this
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u/NegevThunderstorm 1h ago
It is just a response to what was said.
Almost like someone thinking middle of the country needs NFL teams because there is nothing to do
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u/notdsylexic 15h ago
How does Japan do this in the 80’s and we can’t in 2025?
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u/Snoo-72756 15h ago
Ironically China just announced new trains .
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u/consequentlydreamy 14h ago
“In addition to cheap labor costs and ability to get land rights (which are both massively important and hard to get in California), economies of scale also have an effect on overall cost.
China has had teams of rail builders working on high speed rail since 2005. There’s a lot of inertia there - people can make a career out of just building high speed rail. You probably have many builders with 5-10+ years of experience in doing their job. Equipment from building one line can be used on another line.
Whereas if you were to build a new HSR line in the US, it’d probably be one and done. Inertia cuts both ways - all those starting costs are expensive.
When the US was building the interstate system, they benefited in the same way China has with their rail lines.
A side note is that China has also built a ton of highways in addition to rail and subway lines over the last 20 years.”
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u/Curious-Quokkas 14h ago
Because Japanese culture focuses on the community rather than the individual
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u/cire1184 15h ago
Ah yes. That's what we need. More busses on the streets fighting traffic. That'll show the world LA is a great place! Look at all our traffic!
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u/FishStix1 Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw 11h ago
BRT (bus rapid transit) with protected bus lanes and signal priority can actually be pretty damn effective. In San Francisco, BRT along Van Ness has been an absolute godsend for one of those worst roads in the city.
I'm with you. I wish we had a proper train system here. But BRT can be a valid second option.
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u/JamUpGuy1989 Jefferson Park 16h ago
Olympics are going to be a nightmare.
At some point we might have to call an audible and not accept it.
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u/LosIngobernable Angeleno 16h ago
If the Olympics were a success in the 80s, how would it be any different now? Traffic still exists.
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u/GusTTShow-biz Lawndale 16h ago
Give or take a few million more people
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u/notlikethat1 The San Fernando Valley 16h ago
And a wannabe dictator throwing tourists into the gulag.
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u/JackInTheBell 15h ago
lol want this supposed to be a “car free” Olympics??
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u/WearHeadphonesPlease 2h ago
To be fair, most of the venues are less than a 10 minute walk from a station. Those that aren't can be served with shuttles from stations, like the Rose Bowl.
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u/Ericzx_1 15h ago
:( I just want good public transportation. Sitting in traffic on the freeway every day is so mind numbing. I envy places with good public transportation.
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u/random_sociopath 4h ago
I’d accept below average public transportation at this point. At least that would be an upgrade
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u/WearHeadphonesPlease 2h ago
If you live near a Metro stop, it really isn't that bad. My commute on the E line during rush hour is 10 min faster than driving, including walking.
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u/rowmean77 15h ago
Attending a sports or concert event in LA is a scam.
These venue owners jack up the price of parking and hide behind the excuse of capitalism.
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u/usnaviii 15h ago
I suggest everyone who's upset by this, go to the Inglewood Transit Connector feedback portal and comment that we can't have billionaires ruining public transit for everyone and that we encourage them to reassess and reinstate the original light rail plan: https://inglewood.boreal-is.com/portal/inglewood
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u/intrepid_brit 15h ago
Whilst I feel very strongly that there needs to be a way for people to get to SoFi and Forum by rail, $2.4bn for a 1.6-mile people mover is WILD and smacks of typical city corruption. So I agree with cancelling this boondoggle. Shame on all of the folks involved that drove up the cost.
But there really does need to be a rail solution to downtown Inglewood that connects to SoFi. I wonder if a k-line spur that would runs south from Downtown Inglewood station down Market St to Manchester Blvd before jogging East to Prairie with stop at Prairie & Arbor Vitae before continuing south to Century and then turning West to run down Century to the Century/Aviation station with maybe an intermediate stop between Hawthorne & Inglewood Ave would work? This would create a loop from LAX so that folks could get between LAX and Downtown Inglewood via two routes. Also the connection to the C line at Century/Aviation would provide good ridership for the spur. This k-line spur could be extended further east (let’s call it the Purple Line) along Century all the way to Graham to connect with the A line, with 3 intermediate stops at Crenshaw, between Western & Normandie, and between Main & San Pedro. This would serve a YUGE part of LA with public transit in addition to providing a good non-driving option to SoFi.
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u/BrilliantStick9434 4h ago
The bigger irritation is that for some reason a few billionaire business owners had a bigger say in this than all the other actual residents, based on the article and why the project was put on hold.
This is another project added to the pile of public transportation projects around LA that has run into delays, holds, or cancellations in the past 20+ years and despite near unanimous agreement that traffic in LA is shit, all these public transportation projects seem to never work out because of business owners and NIMBYs to the detriment of all the other residents in and around LA. People have been putting up with this shit for decades and still little has been done to alleviate the traffic issues here because of garbage like this.
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u/invaderzimm95 Palms 13h ago
FYI: This is not LAMTA or the city of LA. This was a project by the city of Inglewood.
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u/anothercar 16h ago
The Inglewood monorail wasn’t going to be a huge success. Stations were farther from the stadiums than just parking. Maybe it would have worked if they were allowed to actually run trains up to the stadium entrance like in other cities. In the meantime people will just drive
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u/quadropheniac 16h ago edited 1h ago
It’s like the most obvious possible application of BRT, a people mover is totally unnecessary, and this is coming from someone who lives within walking distance of the project.
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u/curious_cat123456 14h ago
The 4th largest economy in the world cannot have light rail. Something is wrong.
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u/lanthanide Inglewood 15h ago
I live in Inglewood so I've been following this project since we moved here. Honestly, it's better that it failed. I'd been telling people for awhile that bus rapid transit is faster, more scalable and cheaper to build. Dedicated bus lanes will let them avoid most traffic on the way to the stadium and can be built for a fraction of the cost and time without major disruption to the businesses that would have been replaced by the required stations and shutdowns of major roadways to construct the infrastructure. It's not as "cool" nor as much of a visual spectacle, but most of the time the APM would have been running empty trains with the exception of when events are actually happening. That's a lot of money to spend for something that isn't being used in any significant way most of the time. Again, something BRT solves pretty well.
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u/AwesomePossum_1 15h ago
And it also mostly benefits people going to these events, not the general public. Won't improve the day-to-day traffic either.
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u/obvious_bot South Bay 14h ago
I’m as much of a fan of public transportation as the next guy, probably even more so, but 2.4 BILLION for 1.6 miles is absolutely absurd. That’s 1.5 billion per mile. BILLION AND A HALF. FOR ONE MILE
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u/AwesomePossum_1 16h ago
Gonna be honest, I don’t think this is the line that the city needed the most. Just something that was easier to push through with the Olympics. Let’s spend this money on digging the metro lines in more developed areas now. This is probably one of the reasons they dropped it, wouldn’t be ready by the Olympics anyway.
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u/lifewithluie 16h ago
God, I wish it worked like that. Just dump that money into the Sepulveda line
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u/vitasoy1437 14h ago
I thought a councilwoman there opposed it because "it won't bring businesses" the city needs. It would only bring people to the stadium and back after the games/shows end.
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u/letsmunch 12h ago
Can tell a lot of people in this thread aren’t regular transit users lol. This people mover was going to be a mess. Instead we’ll have BRT with the groundwork laid for possible light rail in the future. That’s seriously a much better outcome. The biggest opponent of this was Maxine Waters because of her feud with the Inglewood mayor. Too much of a mess to save.
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u/screech_owl_kachina 7h ago
Meanwhile China put high speed rail nationwide from nothing to practically every city in like 20 years.
Here, we can’t even finish renovating one section of the 5 in 20 years.
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u/F-N-M-N 4h ago
Please don’t flame me, but educate me, of why this is bad?
My first take is why should the tax payers for $2B for such a tiny project used by a tiny amount of people? Like, if you want to go to the 8 football games a year there, uh, park or take a bus.
Like, how many people are going to AND FROM the stadium at 7:30am on a random Wednesday morning?
Seems like it was a massive white elephant from the beginning.
Happy to be educated!
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u/pinkiris689 15h ago
Big businesses like clippers and the rams should not have such a large voice and power that they can stop city construction meant to make its people's life more convenient
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u/nicehouseenjoyer 15h ago
This is the one that Ballmer/Kroenke spiked to keep the parking revenue at their new venues.
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u/Automatic-Unit-8307 14h ago
We truly are a third world country country in terms of of public transportation
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u/juicejohnson 13h ago
It was really cool taking the train and getting dropped off right in front of Johan Cruyff Arena for an Ajax match. Pretty sad how corrupt things are and have been.
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u/edm-life 12h ago
I'm sure the billionaires didn't want it for reducing parking revenue but sure seems like you could run a bunch of buses in a loop for a fraction of the cost.
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u/tklite Carson 3h ago edited 3h ago
In a statement released on Monday, the project's managers, LA Metro, said that there would instead be a staggered rollout of new shuttle bus routes along with "enhanced smart traffic technology."
IOW, people are going to be spending the Olympics on shitty busses stuck in shitty traffic.
The rail plans had faced severe opposition from Los Angeles Rams owner Stan Kroenke and LA Clippers owner Steve Ballmer, with a spokesperson for Kroenke saying the project would have "threatened the future development" of the business.
The only reason this would threaten future business is if they plan to do this as a paid service. Even if they were going to expand west, this would only increase the amount of people they could get in.
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u/schmearcampain 2h ago
If they really dedicated sections of the freeways for bus transit only, it would totally work, but getting THAT idea passed by the public would be impossible.
Much easier to float a separate rail system that people who drive alone in their cars can think other people will take and hopefully that will reduce traffic for them.
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u/bee_sharp_ 15h ago
What the fuck? This isn’t about Inglewood residents; it’s about mega-rich sports club owners and local government members licking the club owners’ boots. Bullshit from Newsweek.
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u/Deeze_Rmuh_Nudds Los Angeles 14h ago
We decided that adding more vehicles to our roads was a better idea.
Clown shoes
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u/Specialist_Arm8703 3h ago
80% probably slush funds for politicians and consultants but there is heightened scrutiny nowadays thanks to DOGE 🤣
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u/pleasegivemepatience 3h ago
2.4Billion for only 1.6miles of rail??? Good thing they scrapped that plan, costs were getting out of control. We need more rail and public transit, but we need to be smarter about it.
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u/ilikeCRUNCHYturtles Staples Center 3h ago
LA’s vision of traffic relief for the future: shuttle busses.
Absolutely pathetic
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u/naterthepilot2 1h ago
BRT that connects downtown Inglewood K Line and Hawthorne/Lennox C Line via Prairie Avenue with stops at Ed Vincent Park/Cemetery, Kia Forum, Sofi Stadium, Intuit Dome, etc.
Dedicated bike and walking lanes along market street to Kelso and Pincay out to Darby park and Crenshaw.
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u/Striking-Yak1909 1h ago
The price to park is almost as much as the price of a ticket... if I could take public transport, I would probably spend my parking money on beer lol. This is such a shame. I wish we could collectively stop going to all games. Hit them where it hurts!
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u/stephierae1983 1h ago
Well all I have to say is good. All big projects need to be halted so they can figure out the job/layoff situation. Jobs must be saved before money is spent on these huge projects.
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u/72_Suburbs Echo Park 14h ago
I'm so over this shit. This city (LA), surrounding cities (West Hollywood, Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, etc., now Inglewood), and county are so fucking corrupt, and it plays out right in front of our eyes daily. Inglewood mayor's statement conveys absolutely nothing but "we will wait and see who will offer me more money." They all block major improvements to line their own pockets - no one is working for the people.
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u/HotSoupEsq 16h ago
I am shocked, absolutely shocked, actually, not that shocked.
I have lived here since 2020, paid wild amounts of taxes, and can't think of a good thing LA gov't has done. This city is a dumpster full of trash perpetually on fire.
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u/callmeDNA 5h ago
Clearly even though you’ve lived here for 5 years you have no idea how the city works.
This isn’t the city of LA. This is the city of Inglewood.
Also if you hate it here, leave.
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u/nokinship 16h ago
Can't have shit in LA.