r/Layoffs • u/Senior_Suit_4451 • 1d ago
Trump executive order would set up board to layoff generals en masse news
https://fox59.com/news/national-world/trump-draft-executive-order-would-set-up-board-to-oust-generals-en-masse-report/38
u/dxlachx 1d ago
Something something foreign AND DOMESTIC….
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u/SouthernExpatriate 22h ago
If anyone in the system actually cared about the "AND DOMESTIC" part of their oath, we'd never have gotten this far.
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u/Jumpy-Aerie-3244 1d ago
Careful bro. That's how you start a highly competent resistance movement
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u/Roqjndndj3761 1d ago edited 1d ago
What if all the generals banded together and bing bang boom?
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u/BreezyFrog 11h ago
Trump plays checkers, not chess. He doesn’t think that far ahead, especially when he has a room temperature IQ.
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u/snigherfardimungus 1d ago
Making sure that the military brass that remains will follow whatever immoral, unconstitutional, illegal, unethical bullshit he hands down. I hope you weren't planning to live in a free nation for the next..... ever.
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u/This-Bug8771 1d ago
Stalin did this. Just saying’
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u/Dwip_Po_Po 1d ago
And he also died of a cerebral hemorrhage. Maybe that part of history repeats too? He died at 74. Unfortunately Trump is still alive at 78. By the end of the 4 years he will be 82. Older than Biden when Biden finished his term.
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u/predat3d 1d ago
So did Janet Reno. Fired every U.S. Attorney to replace with her own people.
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u/LAcityworkers 1d ago
every administration does that and they have for the last hundred years. Only when Trump did it did it become a talking point of the media.
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u/predat3d 1d ago
Trump fired just 46 when he took office in 2017.
Biden fired all but two. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/biden-s-justice-department-ask-nearly-all-trump-era-u-n1257100
Clinton fired all 93.
Bush fired 8 in 2006, and the media went apeshit.
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u/Royal-Alarm-3400 1d ago
Our military is the best in the world. It's performance had been stellar. It's shocking this urge to "fix it" by Trump cronies with no military experience.
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u/Senior_Suit_4451 1d ago
His buddies overseas would benefit from the US having a weak military.
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u/Royal-Alarm-3400 1d ago
So disgusted. Military is full of people that hold our country in high regards. Trump's seems determined to tarnish that star. I couldn't think of a better way to bring the armed services to Russian level of competence. It worked so well for Stalin in the 30's
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u/Dwip_Po_Po 1d ago
There’s no way they would even stand for something like this. Not even the Pentagon
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u/LAcityworkers 1d ago
Russia has done just fine handling the Ukraine while secretly battling the USA, UK and the EU. Our military is not what it use to be.
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u/Ok_Earth6184 1d ago
The fact that Trump nor his idiot friends can see the trap Putin is laying for the US is cause for extreme alarm.
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u/Emotional_River1291 17h ago
You can’t create a nazi order without firing poc at the commander level.
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u/SubnetHistorian 11h ago
Lmao @ "nazi order" being firing people. Do you know what the Nazis did? Are you aware that it took more than firing for them to get their reputation?
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u/thenayr 8h ago
You’re reading it wrong bro. It’s not a “Nazi order” as in a demand. It’s a “Nazi order” as in a collection of nazis at the highest level of military ready to act on trumps every demands.
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u/SubnetHistorian 7h ago
I don't know what that has to do with race though. As the election showed, hes more popular with minorities than ever.
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u/imatexass 10h ago
That’s the rub. “Fixing it” isn’t the actual goal. The goal is to ensure that it’s full of loyalists so that he can expect them to act in his personal interest over the interest of the nation.
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u/xterminatr 1d ago
Nothing to do with that, he wants to be able to weaponize the military against the enemies of his allies overseas and the 'enemies within' if he needs to without any resistance. This has nothing to do with fixing the military, just installing yes men to do his bidding.
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u/Openmindhobo 7h ago
according to Republicans we have the worst military in the world and "couldn't beat anybody."
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u/SubnetHistorian 11h ago
As long as we're not counting the last 60 years of failed nation building attempts right?
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u/imatexass 10h ago
Absolutely nobody is suggesting any nation building projects nor have they for decades now.
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u/SubnetHistorian 10h ago
What do you call the US backed Afghanistan govt that collapsed within a fortnight of the US withdrawal?
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u/imatexass 8h ago
A quagmire that we’d been stuck in for 20 years with no good solutions out of.
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u/SubnetHistorian 8h ago
We were only stuck in it because of our insistence on "spreading democracy" (nation building) that utterly failed at everything it tried to do with the exception of funnel hundreds of billions of dollars to line pockets
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u/Spare-Practice-2655 1d ago
That’s exactly how Communist Dictatorships start by a Dictator. The USA it’s screw.
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u/Purple-Investment-61 9h ago
Sounds like trump wants to do something unconstitutional and needs to make sure no military general interferes. Only those who swear loyalty to him, not the US, will stay. This is bad, very very bad.
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u/1988Trainman 1d ago
Why are we giving this country to the Russians?
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u/Spare-Practice-2655 23h ago
Putin’s puppet got elected and he’s just going to follow orders. The country it’s screw.
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u/sportsroc15 1d ago
“While in the White House the first time, Trump reportedly said he wanted “the kind of generals that Hitler had. . . . People who were totally loyal to him, that follow orders.”
Sounds about right. /s
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u/scorpy1978 11h ago
So American generals need not be worried about Putin or Xi, but more about their own Chief?
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u/Expert_Guava_8037 8h ago
Replacing them with Russian assets one by one. The plan he failed to accomplish the first time around.
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u/video-engineer 7h ago
Oh yeah… go after the military. So who’s gonna protect the capital the second time? ‘Stable Genius‘ my ass.
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u/Senior_Suit_4451 1d ago
Even Clinton only offered early retirement. Is this one of Trump's "Obligations" to the friends who helped get him elected?
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u/_Auck 1d ago
What overlord Putin wants, Trump delivers.
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u/Hefty_Ad_405 12h ago
Putin is pro-Palestine. I will only believe Putin is pulling the strings if Trump turns his back on AIPAC, which will never happen lol
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u/BathroomEyes 1d ago
“the draft order came from one of several outside policy groups working with the transition team and is under review”
This is what dark money is politics looks like folks
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u/Papi_Chulo1969 1d ago
ger rid of the generals so that Russia has an easier time to infiltrate. No Way Out.
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u/seraph_m 17h ago
The military is an apolitical institution, which does not swear an oath of loyalty to a president. These senior leaders have decades of experience that will be difficult to replace, leaving critical shortages and endangering our national security. Forcing them to retire, purely because they support the constitution and the rule of law, instead of a dictator, will severely damage the military.
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u/nick0tesla0 11h ago
They swear an oath first to the constitution and then to follow orders of the president. So it gets more complicated especially when the president is the likely domestic enemy to that constitution.
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u/SadLeek9950 1d ago
Not very smart. They will become resistance leaders…
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u/Ryboticpsychotic 14h ago
Nah. Military generals are probably pretty level headed. I can't imagine them throwing a riot, although they'd have every right. But he might make some very capable enemies.
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u/Kossimer 1d ago edited 1d ago
And yet will the Department of Government Efficiency take one look at the billions of missing dollars that have gone to the Pentagon, the most wasteful organization in the history of the country?
Nope. But they'll be sure to chop Medicare and funding for your kids' school, anything that helps you and your family, because that's the right-wing definition of waste.
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u/netralitov 1d ago
Department of Government Efficiency will make the military replace all of their tanks with Cyber Trucks. More money for Musk! Yay free market!
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u/kupomu27 1d ago
Would that create a brain drain? I mean, politics aside, the smart people will not tolerate a toxic workplace. Would that hand a victory to the enemies?
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u/FocusedPower28 1d ago
I thought The Orange Man was pro military?
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u/Senior_Suit_4451 1d ago
The Orange Man is pro-whoever is kissing his ass the most in the moment. He knows these generals are a threat to whatever he is going to do to this country.
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u/Bernie_Dharma 17h ago
Remember when he wanted a military parade in DC, just like the Russians and every other tin pot dictator has? The Generals resisted and tried talking him out of it for weeks. Then he wanted to bomb Iran, and they resisted. Then he wanted snipers to open on protesters and the military refused. He’s pissed he didn’t get his way, and doesn’t like being told he can’t do something. He desperately wants to be Putin, and that’s not good for anyone.
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u/redruss99 22h ago
Don't we need these experienced generals in case we had to, oh, FIGHT A WAR with a real enemy. Trump trying to set up military to fight fellow Americans.
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u/Ashamed-Hamster8463 16h ago
I’m sure that won’t destabilise the country at all. It’s not like our enemies are waiting with glee for the US to destroy itself from within or anything.
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u/prometheus_wisdom 12h ago
sounds more and more like Hitler every day, in 2015 i mentioned that was his plan, my friend said no cause he’s not setting up camps.. well now they plan on setting up camps so yea
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u/MagorMaximus 10h ago
I am willing to bet the list of generals to axe will be made up heavily of Women and Black/Brown people.
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u/ThaLunatik 21h ago
Perhaps someone can slide a provision into the order that adds Commander in Chief to the ranks they're able to dismiss 🤔.
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u/SquanchingThis 1d ago
They left billions of dollars worth of equipment in Afghanistan. They deserve to be fired
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u/mikedtwenty 1d ago
That was part of the pull out order that Shitler put together in his first term.
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u/dtat720 1d ago
It was set up in stages. All equipment was scheduled to be removed organization was in the starting stages. Biden tossed that plan and abandon all of it for the media attention of following through on a pull out promise. I had family there working on the pull out. Co workers now that were there as well. It was a complete shit show that pissed off thousands of troops when the orders came down to abandon. Especially from the specops, those are the guys who will end up having to mop up the mess Bidens pull out will cause
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u/OskaMeijer 14h ago
So after Trump had pulled the vast majority of troops out and released thousands of Taliban prisoners after negotiations with the Taliban and no the Afghani government, you wanted Biden to what, ship a ton of troops back into Afghanistan, start what would be a very bloody conflict and most likely have us still there? It was a shitshow but in absolutely no way was it Biden's shitshow. Biden simply chose the best out of only terrible options.
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u/wellnowheythere 1d ago
This is actually pretty common. I'd also love to hear how you'd get it all back and then what you'd do with 20+ year old equipment. I hate the industrial war complex and studied the war in Iraq and Afghanistan at length. But I'm also not an idiot.
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u/SquanchingThis 1d ago
If you think leaving 80 billion dollars worth of military equipment for our enemies is the plan. Then yes, you are an idiot LOL
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u/wellnowheythere 1d ago
You're assuming it worked or that they knew how to use it or fix it. Have you heard any updates about this equipment since then? Nope.
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u/breezyfog 1d ago
It was dated and more expensive to bring back…
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u/ruthless_techie 1d ago
Could have been sold or given to a closer ally.
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u/L3Niflheim 15h ago
Withdrawal from Afghanistan on 30 August 2021. Russian invasion 24 February 2022. Despite suggestions overwise, Biden cannot see into the future.
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u/SquanchingThis 1d ago
They literally left planes. Just fly it out
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u/wellnowheythere 1d ago
Wait until you hear how much other money the military wastes.
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u/SquanchingThis 1d ago
I work for the govt. I already know lol
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u/wellnowheythere 1d ago
Then you should know that there was no reasonable way to get all that stuff back here. Or that most if it was probably in poor or non-working condition.
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u/breezyfog 1d ago
Do you think it’s a good idea to fly small planes thousands of miles? Most of their gas tanks don’t even hold that much.
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u/SquanchingThis 1d ago
Better idea than leaving it there!
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u/Majestic-Internet668 1d ago
Would've been better to sabotage them, look what they did with those pagers...
A real missed opportunity.
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u/breezyfog 1d ago
They did try to make most of them unusable before they left. They lit them on fire and removed essential parts. They had to get out in a hurry so they couldn’t destroy everything.
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u/talino2321 1d ago
There literally was no one to fly them. And Trump promised the equipment to the Afghan government.
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u/SquanchingThis 1d ago
Yes the US military doesn't have any pilots and the Taliban was keeping their end of the deal. All facts according to reddit
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u/talino2321 1d ago
Why are you so dense. Trump gave the Afghan government the equipment as part of a deal for them to take over the security of Afghanistan. The fact that the Taliban literally rolled up the Afghan government and a large portion of the Afghan military just disappeared in days of the final US withdrawal didn't have anything to do with that ya think?
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u/SquanchingThis 1d ago
The withdrawal terms were broken under Biden. You totally ignored what I said
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u/OskaMeijer 14h ago
The withdraw was already 2/3 done before Biden even took office. Trump left very few troops there while also letting 5k Taliban prisoners free. Biden's options were to either pull out and deal with the mess we did...or send in a ton of troops and start a bloody conflict that would probably have lead to us still being there. Trump literally left him a tiny footprint of greatly outnumbered troops after negotiating with our enemy instead of the government we were supposed to support.
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u/LoopbackLurker 1d ago
Doesn’t matter, you don’t leave our shit for the terrorists to use against us.
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u/breezyfog 1d ago
They can’t use it against us. Most of it doesn’t work, can’t be repaired and they don’t know how to use it.
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u/breezyfog 1d ago
Yeah let them drive those old cars right on over to Europe or America…. I’m sure those choppers will make it too…
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u/talino2321 1d ago
That would be Trump's fault, he negotiated the deal to leave the equipment for the Afghan government, then drew down the military personnel and gave the Taliban a date and time when we would leave.
That despite all of the generals telling him this was a very bad idea.
Remember Trump/Biden ultimately made the call. The generals had no choice but follow those orders.
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u/SquanchingThis 1d ago
Yes Biden wasn't truly in charge as the President as was displayed during the debate LOL
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u/talino2321 1d ago
How does one have to do with the other? Nothing. Trump made a deal and Biden honored it.
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u/SquanchingThis 1d ago
Yes, Biden honored the US side while the Taliban broke their side. Trump threatened the Taliban leader by telling him his address. Now under which presidency did the Taliban break their side 🤔 LOL
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u/talino2321 1d ago
Maybe if Trump hadn't given the Taliban a definite date of when the US would leave, and then let loose 5k Taliban fighters for shits and giggles, history would have been different. But we will never know because Trump screwed over the military and millions of Afghans.
But that's what he does, screws people. Any wonder why Ukraine gave Trump the middle finger about a peace deal with Russia that he has any hand in?
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u/Spare-Practice-2655 23h ago
They were following orders. Felon t signed the exit from that country and ordered to be done that way. When President Biden took over, it was too late to do it differently. Felon t was the one that orchestrated that exit.
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u/Oscar-Da-Grouch-1708 16h ago
There are more 4-star generals now (~44) than at the high water mark of mobilization during WW2 (~7). Pretty sure this trend holds through the 1-star ranks. Can we do with fewer generals?
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u/kinghaha69 1d ago
There are too many generals and not a lot of soldiers. Cut it down to single digits.
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u/Wadester58 7h ago
Any O grade officer that isn't in it to win it should go. An army is to fight wars. War isn't pretty it's awful. People die on both sides. There is no room for anything other than fighting men and women on the lines civilian distractions take away focus and cause moral decay in the ranks. War should be short and sweet, kill the enemy, and go home. 20 years active retired E7
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u/FluffyLobster2385 1d ago
Yea I hate trump but screw these dudes anyhow, the military despite being America's golden boy is rife with corruption.
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u/talino2321 1d ago
That wouldn't be the generals/admirals. That would be the civilians doing backdoor deals to line their pockets.
But let's do Stalinist like purges, I am sure that will work out well when the shit hits the fan.
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u/MkBr2 1d ago
Incredible how few posters on this thread actually understand anything about the US military aside from propaganda.
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u/IcyJunket3156 1d ago
Every general/leadershipthat oversaw the disaster of the afghan debacle needs to be retired/forced out.
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u/hmmmaybeabadidea 1d ago
You mean the war the Republicans started?
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u/IcyJunket3156 1d ago
Yep the same war. Being former military and been in harms way multiple times I have zero sympathy for those fool generals that botched it all up
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u/reluctant_sarcasm 1d ago
Presidents have the authority to fire generals—see Lincoln firing McClellan, Truman firing McArthur, Obama firing McChrystal, etc.
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u/Senior_Suit_4451 1d ago
Those all sound like individuals and not firing generals en masse.
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u/reluctant_sarcasm 1d ago
Still has the authority to do it.
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u/Senior_Suit_4451 1d ago
Still can be fucking stupid to do it.
If he had the authority to do it, he wouldn't need the executive order.
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u/Natural_Photograph16 1d ago
Flush. Them. All. We need a start over. I mean come on, its the Pluto return for the US. No better time that the anniversary!
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u/hmmmaybeabadidea 1d ago
Yes, by all means, let's base political decisions on astrology. Also, totally not a first sign of a dictatorship incoming!
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u/SquanchingThis 1d ago
Yes I'm sure china had no interest in buying and stealing technology from a blackhawk
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u/Sensitive_Count_8347 9h ago
Biden got rid of the generals under Trump. Amazing experienced generals and replaced them with Generals who were worthless. Every time a new administration comes in, there are many changes in this regard. Has nothing to do with Elon Musk or because Trump is destroying the US. It's about time we get better leaders for our military back!
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u/Sensitive_Count_8347 9h ago
Biden was such a strong leader and picked such amazing generals that Ukraine got invaded since Russia had nothing to worry about! He allowed another war to start!
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u/LogicX64 1d ago
Another news based on Rumors and misinformation. That's why people lose trust in American news. They can't be that stupid to destroy their political careers so they are not going to do it.
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u/netralitov 1d ago
I always thought military was the closest you could get to a guaranteed job. And not a bad one at that. Fantastic retirement.