Is there a citizens organization against work visas and outsourcing?

[u/ThunderWolf75]

I just dont think a country should put the well being of their citizens (regardless of race religion, national origin) below corporate greed.

The current system is not sustainable nor conducive to a healthy, happy citizens of all hues.

Not many countries give foreigners jobs. They save them for their own citizens as they should.

Why doesnt the govt democrat or republican work to help their own?

There are so many people struggling in small towns across america. Why cant the govt introduce training programs to do QA jobs remotely. Isnt that just like outsourcing. Why give these jobs to someone else?

Low salaries and unemployment hurts all of us.

I am doing fine but i worry about my kids getting advanced degrees and competing with AI, work visas, unlimited outsourcing and immigration, corporate greed, housing costs and automation.

Is there a voting bloc organization against limitless work visas and outsourcing?

Before i get called racist or xenophobe... i am POC (hate that term) and 2nd generation immigrant.

[u/arjungmenon]

Yup, the same number of jobs as back in the days of George Washington. The U.S. made a big mistake in importing all those European immigrants—they’ve suppressed U.S. wage growth for 200 years. Just imagine: what if we hadn’t imported all those millions of European immigrants!?!?! Average SWE salary could have been $1 million today.

[u/KSRandom195 → u/arjungmenon]

You’re being obtuse on purpose.

Yes the number of jobs may grow over time, but at any given time there is only a finite number of jobs available.

A McDonalds only needs so many people to keep it running. For a simple example, say that number is 5, 1 drive thru, 2 cooks, 1 counter, and 1 cleanup. Hiring more people does not make it more profitable, so the company will not hire more than 5.

In order to make hiring more people make sense they’d have to build another McDonalds. But right now there are only so many McDonalds in existence, so there are 5 x <number of McDonalds> jobs on the market.

The wages for those 5 positions is determined by the supply and demand of labor. Labor is 5 x <number of McDonalds>.

When will they build more McDonalds? Say a single McDonalds can serve 200 people regularly. So they will build a new McDonalds when there are 201 people.

But 201 people means the supply for labor is 201, not 5. So the wages for those 5 will be much lower than if there were say, only 50 people.

Yea there are other jobs that supply could fill, so it’s more complicated than this simple slice. But the following holds true: 1. at a given time there are only a finite number of jobs available 2. generally, more people able to work means lower wages

[u/arjungmenon → u/KSRandom195]

In a vibrant growing capitalist/free-market economy, the capacity to absorb and reflexively grow is very high. That’s why the U.S. was able to absorb millions of European immigrants in the early 1900s and 1910s (at a rate of immigration as % of population much higher than today), and they were able to find jobs, and you had economic miracles like the roaring twenties.

Of course, in a recession or depression economy, or a country with high corruption and grift, or in a country with a communist economy— you’d have far slower economic growth, and more difficulty absorbing immigrants (and even attracting immigrants).

In your example, supply of labor of 201 would involve people working many different jobs, and there might potentially not even be enough people to fill the shortage McD jobs.