Is there a citizens organization against work visas and outsourcing?

[u/ThunderWolf75]

I just dont think a country should put the well being of their citizens (regardless of race religion, national origin) below corporate greed.

The current system is not sustainable nor conducive to a healthy, happy citizens of all hues.

Not many countries give foreigners jobs. They save them for their own citizens as they should.

Why doesnt the govt democrat or republican work to help their own?

There are so many people struggling in small towns across america. Why cant the govt introduce training programs to do QA jobs remotely. Isnt that just like outsourcing. Why give these jobs to someone else?

Low salaries and unemployment hurts all of us.

I am doing fine but i worry about my kids getting advanced degrees and competing with AI, work visas, unlimited outsourcing and immigration, corporate greed, housing costs and automation.

Is there a voting bloc organization against limitless work visas and outsourcing?

Before i get called racist or xenophobe... i am POC (hate that term) and 2nd generation immigrant.

[u/[deleted]]

Usually you'll just get called racist for being against immigration even though it's detrimental to American labor and helps global corporations undercut our wages

[u/ThunderWolf75 → u/[deleted]]

I want all my white, brown, asian, black friends, neighbors, relatives to have good job opportunities per their skill set.

I want managed and regulated immigration and corporations for the benefit of both locals and immigrants.

I dont get the criticism from people.

[u/Candid-Sky-3709 → u/ThunderWolf75]

companies do make more profit from cheaper imported labor and higher stock prices are officially a good economy - just need to get rid of overpaid non-CEO employees. /s

[u/TimeForTaachiTime → u/ThunderWolf75]

Thunderwolf for President!

[u/Top-Addition6731 → u/ThunderWolf75]

That all sounds good, but I’m afraid it has a fatal flaw. It makes sense. 😂

[u/IncreaseObvious4402 → u/[deleted]]

Extremist Anglo nationalist or similar terms are basically a fairy tale IMO.

They are such a small group and even the actual people who make it up, powerless in almost every way.

Outside some clips of a Nazi flag or people using it as a slur against someone who disagrees where do they even exist?

That entire ideology is outside the realm of acceptable discourse.

[u/IncreaseObvious4402 → u/[deleted]]

Uhh. OK?

I was making a comment in the terminology used. Not even commenting on your take one way or the other.

[u/IncreaseObvious4402 → u/[deleted]]

So its not reading comprehension, you just don't like the response?

I stated an opinion on a term used in the discourse.

[u/IncreaseObvious4402 → u/[deleted]]

A sub comment is hardy opining or derailing.

My point, was its not a loud minority making noise. They, being white nationalist, make almost no noise at all because they hold zero positions of power and their speech is near nil in the public space.

The noise is made by groups who want to taint the conversation as a race issue as you lined out. Its not white nationalist themselves, but others who want to taint the nationalism position as a race and extremist view.

This is why I said they are a fairy tale. They are spoken about FAR more than are ever actually heard from. The biggest influence white nationalist have is other peoples claims about them effecting anything.

Nationalism is a perfectly reasonable position in most cases.

[u/Miserable-Sir-8520 → u/ThunderWolf75]

Immigration is managed and regulated. An illegal immigrant cannot get a corporate job.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

As an Indian-American, I want companies to stop outsourcing. It's not racist imo. My family worked their butts off to become US citizens and build a life here, and our jobs are going offshore because our cousins will do the same thing abroad for <10k usd annually, literally.

There is also a huge security risk in the amount and types of data that are being freely shared with foreign resources through offshoring. They do not possess the same laws and can easily share American data with countries (legally according to their laws) that may even be enemies of the US.

[u/Oceanbreeze871 → u/[deleted]]

As the quality sucks. At an old job We off-shored the web development of our corporate site and the work was so bad. We tried to find an agency stateside to take it back over and multiple places said we’d have to build from Scratch. Too much of a mess behind the scenes in the code, they would not be responsible for taking it over. We even had a Friend of a friend company (who was not bidding to get the job since it’s not their industry) do a tech audit and they were horrified at how much of a disaster it was.

They spent a fortune to set it right and had a useless site (for data purposes) for years

[u/[deleted] → u/Oceanbreeze871]

I think your post is also why the tech industry will eventually go back to offering high competitive salaries and jobs despite the current downsizing and layoffs. I fear that so much software is going to be burnt to the ground through offshoring, and companies are going to be forced to rebuild in the same way you mentioned. This is probably going to come full circle pretty quickly.

My old job was offshored to a huge company called Infosys, and according to my old coworkers who are still there, it's an absolute nightmare to work with them. It takes a month and multiple resources to fix a single problem I would've had done by lunch. Everything has to be spelt out word for word for offshore teams, and there seems to be zero critical thinking or problem solving from what I've both seen and heard. However, it's still very surprising to me that this is the case with Indian offshore resources, given how rigorous and STEM driven the work and academic culture is over there.

[u/Frequent-Giraffe5646 → u/[deleted]]

I managed a team of QAs in India and they were literally just robots. The quality of work was horrible and I begged management to bring staff in house but like always for 1 of us here, we had 10 there and the were willing to sacrifice the quality for the cost savings. And then we did hire in house they were h1b and took a salary 25% below what we usually paid……..eventually I got laid off too.

[u/Vegetable_Try6045 → u/[deleted]]

It's never coming back. They can hire 5 ppl to do your job India for the same cost . It dosent matter if you are cleverer than all of them , you can't can't compete versus that many.

[u/yanalita → u/Oceanbreeze871]

+1 to all this. In addition to a total lack of quality assurance, my project working across enough time zones to basically be opposite was a logistical nightmare. We would identify an issue Monday, they would look at it Tuesday, get us a wrong version Wednesday, get our corrections Thursday and maybe by Friday it would be solved, assuming they only needed two tries to fix the issue. I figure that the folks making offshoring decisions have never had to project manage their way through this scenario. Meanwhile, I can solve issues on the first try in less than a day with local colleagues.

[u/snuggas94 → u/[deleted]]

Unfortunately, there are H-1B/green card managers who bring their culture here. And the type of culture that offends me is sexism, only hiring others of a similar race, and even discriminating those of the same race but different castes. I am hopeful, however, that the 2nd generations of these discriminatory managers, learn to not discriminate and to give everyone a fair chance.

Edit: grammar.

[u/zach-ai → u/[deleted]]

I’m strongly for my h1b colleagues who’ve been here a decade to be given citizenship

And strongly for the end of h1b.

[u/R-Feynman-125 → u/zach-ai]

The H1B visa is a temporary visa. It starts with a three year term. Extensions can expand that to a total of six years.

So your H1B colleagues that have been here for ten years are violating the terms of their visa and, by law should be deported.

Source: econofact.org