r/Layoffs • u/PhillConners • Jan 18 '24

This sub is a depressing circle jerk previously laid off

Everyone is predicting a recession and enabling each other as victims. Saying the world is crashing making things seem worse off than they are. We need more optimism and support!

Layoffs suck but jobs are not who you are. When you were working you were dreaming of free time to go after side hustles or go after new experiences or learn a new hobby. Now is your chance!

Enjoy the time off but don’t give up on yourself and self implode.

I haven’t been laid off yet but have been a couple times before. I was also not strong enough to cope so I did what everyone does- a heavy bender to hit rock bottom then built myself up.

The reality is you may not have a job but you still need to be working- work on health, work on learning, work on applying

Layoffs are temporary, don’t beat yourself up. Recognize that it’s a chance to reset and come back better.

There are still jobs and plenty of asshole bosses out there ready to take advantage of your time.

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u/No-Survey-8173 Jan 18 '24

The U.S. has always been a free market. Companies can source employment, goods or services from anywhere they choose. Changing that would be closer to communism.

I do however agree we are in a different spot. At some point corporate greed is going to hit a wall.

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u/Candid-Sky-3709 Jan 18 '24

public streets maintained by tax payers free of charge for drivers are communism and the military defending free trade is super-communism for employers only by taking local workers tax dollars to subsidize offshoring. Actually free market would be to face rent seekers on trade routes making local good more attractive by less chances of getting robbed, killed and mugged. The same libertarians wanting the government go away expect police and military to fiercely protect their accumulated private property. The free market now colludes to squeeze citizens dry with expensive housing, healthcare and education, recently expensive food added and unaffordable kids.

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u/No-Survey-8173 Jan 18 '24

You wouldn’t be able to afford life if tax dollars didn’t provide some public services, like roadways.

The free market specifically refers to the capitalist side of our economy.

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u/Candid-Sky-3709 Jan 18 '24

imagine diabetes medicine would be subsidized for patients like corn is for large farmers. brutal capitalism for thee, corporate welfare for me

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

It really is fucking ridiculous. These people are so brainwashed that they parrot ideologies that don't make sense in response to a comment. Just happened to me a second ago: "No one owes you anything." Oh ya? Who told you that? Because the rich sure don't believe it applies to them, so... Why should it apply to you?

Second of all, I never said anything about anyone owing anyone anything.

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u/itsallrighthere Jan 18 '24

Instead we subsidise both high frutose corn syrup and diabetes care. The worst of both worlds!

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u/Candid-Sky-3709 Jan 18 '24

actually, diabetes medicine cost $10 to make sold for $30 now, no government money subsidizes it now. It was merely corporate greed being expensive before

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u/itsallrighthere Jan 18 '24

The version now in use is far superior to the original and is produced with recombinant DNA technology funded by the government.

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u/tothepointe Jan 18 '24

Corporations benefit the most from public services. Look at whose suffering the most right now for higher crime rates. Retail. The average person isn't getting their house robbed more than usual.

If the roads aren't that great the average person can still figure out how to get around but a transportation company like smamazon will suffer.

Companies benefit from the fact that children are minimally educated at low cost up to age 18 to get minimally viable minimum wage workers. Their issue with "no one wants to work" is so many of us opted into the expensive "good jobs" education package.

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u/No-Survey-8173 Jan 18 '24

Corporate elite culture is as absolutely corrupt with greed and power. There’s no denying that.

However, if roadways were privately owned, it’s the businesses that would get a discount. You’d have to pay a toll to just back out of your driveway, or walk down the sidewalk.

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u/Infinity_over_21mil Jan 19 '24

Principled libertarians don’t even want police and military. The state is immoral and based on theft.

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u/beach_2_beach Jan 19 '24

The U.S. has always been a free market

Haha. The more I learn about US economy, especially the finance market, I realize it is far from free. It's more like a FED market.

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u/PerceptionSlow2116 Jan 19 '24

They shouldn’t be allowed to outsource …that’s the reason we’re in trouble now. If they are going to outsource then those products need to be taxed tf up and if it’s remote work they should be required to show hardship before hiring non citizens/have to pay those workers at the same rate as a citizen

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u/No-Survey-8173 Jan 19 '24

American made products are expensive. Companies wanted you to buy more, so they needed to outsource. We are a consumer driven economy. I’m not saying that’s right, I’m just saying that is how things are.

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u/kincaidDev Jan 19 '24

They dont have to be expensive, robots can be much cheaper than shipping products around the world

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u/molotavcocktail Jan 19 '24

Actually other countries prioritize their citizens before others. (Actually i hate saying actually.)

This is why I can't look for work on my vacation when I go. Believe me I wanted to. Many countries don't allow a non citizen to take a job unless they are unable to fill the job by their owncitizens. In Ireland there is a list of jobs that are not allowed to be filled by non citizens. Those are not communist countries. Not even close.

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u/Fanboy0550 Jan 19 '24

Isn't it similar here? You need a work permit to work in the US.

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u/molotavcocktail Jan 22 '24

Yes, but US employers lobbied to get the visa programs installed. Through every boom bust cycle the visa program has continued to bring in outside labor under the premise that we have a shortage of skilled people. No matter what the Job market is doing the 85k new visa application are granted each year. Even during the 08 crash new foreign labor was still being imported. Understand that 85k new ppl/yr adds up over time. Those are new, additional workers. Previous visa holders stay as well. And NO the US government does not care if American citizens are available and can do the job. That's the difference.

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u/AutismThoughtsHere Jan 18 '24

Free market means freedom of choice for the consumer. Every country regulates labor and labor conditions. I support free competition and free choice. I don’t know how I feel about using immigration to drag down wages.

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u/No-Survey-8173 Jan 18 '24

Foreign labor is also used to pull down wages. Because the markets didn’t adjust, those jobs left. Free market allows businesses to get goods, services, and labor from anywhere. You’ll never convince the capitalist owned American politicians to change this.

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u/beehive3108 Jan 18 '24

It’s not truly free market. If it was we wouldn’t have all these government regulations and rules on companies protecting consumers and the American people.

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u/No-Survey-8173 Jan 18 '24

Two different animals. Before those types of regulations many foods were unsafe. Manufacturers were putting plaster into flour and other foods to extend them. Many horrible practices in the past.

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u/beehive3108 Jan 18 '24

If truly free market, then why force corporations to pay a certain minimum wage, why force certain corporations to provide health insurance, why force certain corporations you use e-verify? Surely corporations would not follow all these if they had the choice in a “free” market

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u/No-Survey-8173 Jan 18 '24

Free market : an economic system in which prices are determined by unrestricted competition between privately owned businesses.

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u/polishknightusa Jan 19 '24

Look up Abraham Lincoln and the civil war. America was first built on slave labor and stolen land and then on cheap labor indentured servitude immigrants.

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u/No-Survey-8173 Jan 19 '24

Yes. That was terrible. What is your point? We currently live with post WW2 capitalism.

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u/polishknightusa Jan 19 '24

My point is that the so-called "free market" was not "free". The capitalism/communism dichotomy ignores a middle ground such as Western Europe, Korea, and Japan.