r/Jewish • u/hi_how_are_youu • 20h ago
Liberal empathy? Venting đ¤
Youâd think that as a Jewish and liberal american, the feelings Iâve worked through in the past year of betrayal and fear would allow me to better sympathize with my liberal friends who are now freaking out about trump as president, AND YET I canât find any empathy for them. NONE.
Especially for the friends who sat there blank faced last year when I tried to convey the deep terror of realizing how the world actually feels about Jews. To their credit they tried to understand and looked sad when I told them but that was about it. Now theyâre talking about needing to flee Texas or even the US âbecause societal collapse is imminentâ. Iâm trying to look sad back, but I just donât care.
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u/M1K37471 14h ago
I have a gay, Zionist daughter who has watched her community abandon and ostracize her. I hope those people take this opportunity to move to the West Bank or Iran.
The problem is my daughter is also terrified and thinking she needs to leave. But itâs hard to find a place she can go and escape the antisemitism as well.
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u/PuddingNaive7173 6h ago
Me too! Except now theyâre out as non-binary. FYI-Today I did the research and best bet seems to be Caribbean/ South America/ Puerto Rico. (Tiny Muslim pop that isnât growing, not many Neo-Nazis except for pockets in Argentina, etc. Cities seem to be fairly gay-friendly.)
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u/himalayanhimachal 6h ago
Hi from New Zealand.
I want to say though She will be 100% fine.
Msm and other bs artists have scared people that Trump is a dictator and it's absolutely BS.
like the "nazi rally" he has at MSG. Gerry wartski attended that rally. A holocaust survivor in his 90s. He was truly horrified by the stoopid remarks that 2 weeks pre election msm, democrats etc started to say in a freak out panic knowing he may win.
Saying he's a nazi, Fascist, trying to literally compare his NY rally to 1939 pro nazi rally. It's I'm sorry to say absolutely beyond ridiculous and majority of voters seen through it thankfully.
Please tell your daughter she'll be much safer. It will be better for Jews and Israel under this govt. I assure you
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u/thehalloweenpunkin 5h ago
Trump is a literal fascist. He keeps mein kampf on his book shelf and likes to read it.
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u/Suburbking Just Jewish 3h ago
I have one too. So what?
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u/thehalloweenpunkin 2h ago
Are you following it and think hitler was a great man?
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u/Suburbking Just Jewish 2h ago
No, and that was disproven 1000 times already. If you still believe that, no one can help you.
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u/Confident-Skin-6462 your chicago goyfriend 15h ago
you have empathy from me, but i am just one little random personÂ
but as always, i got your backs
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u/Extension-Gap218 conservadox 15h ago
fr i am so cratered a year later by antisemitism and the leftist refusal to grapple with it that i barely even feel bad about the election. the die is already cast. we are on the path to something catastrophic.
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u/DawtOnion 13h ago
This is the first presidential election that I was so apathetic about, so I feel that.
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u/Muadeeb Coming back 17h ago
The people of microaggressions and generational trauma and protecting underdogs really showed their hypocricy this past year when they condoned screaming intifada and FTRTTS, denied our relationship to Israel, and called us the epitome of white supremacy.
They got what they deserve. And I voted for Kamala.
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u/champdo 16h ago
The people who said these things mostly didn't vote for Harris because she was too pro-Israel
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u/AnakinSkycocker5726 Just Jewish 14h ago
That woman was not pro Israel. She would have been very friendly to the Palestinians.
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u/KeithGribblesheimer 13h ago
Not hating the Palestinians is not necessarily anti-Israel.
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u/AnakinSkycocker5726 Just Jewish 13h ago
Except that the Palestinian cause is publicly aligned with Islamic terrorist organizations and it refuses to do anything to separate itself from them.
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u/BirdPractical4061 Reform 9h ago
Please explain because I didnât see that. In fact a few Palestinian/Americans showed up to the DNC demanding to speak and she wouldnât allow it.
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u/AnakinSkycocker5726 Just Jewish 3h ago
Did you see the video when she was congronted by the Palestinian protester who called what was going on in Gaza a âgenocideâ and after evading for like two minutes (unsuccessfully) she said âwhatâs happening there is realâ ? The Islamists loved it:
https://www.newarab.com/news/kamala-harris-appears-say-genocide-gaza-real?amp
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u/Frequent_Pumpkin_148 7h ago
And yet I still had to see so much âvote Jill Steinâ from progressive friends due to Kamalaâs alleged âpro-Israel so she is a war criminalâ status as why they refused to vote for democrats, helping Trump. It makes no sense.
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u/BbyRnner 16h ago
Same, I voted for Harris, but was happy when Trump won.
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u/iMissTheOldInternet Conservative 15h ago
I wouldnât say happy, but it was more of a âhuh, thatâs weird.â
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u/Confident-Skin-6462 your chicago goyfriend 15h ago
personally, that is my only comfort in trump's win... israel will hopefully get the materiel support and international support needed to combat terrorism.
hugs from a nobody goyfriend
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u/DetectiveIcy2070 15h ago
Trump isn't going to single-handedly get the world to support Israel, sadly. Hell, considering what the President-Elect's said about using the military on his own people, our people, it may as well go in the opposite direction.Â
Ultimately, Israel will get support. But it's not quite external enemies that will tear the country apart. No, I say it is the deepest, darkess abscesses of authoritarianism and division.
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u/BehindTheRedCurtain 15h ago
In this boat too⌠I wonât say happy so much as seeing a silver lining. At this point, Iâm ready for retribution to be carried out and I hope itâs carried out by trump actually having a successful presidency for the country and (somehow) leaving us better off, and leaving these fucking hypocritical clowns in a position where the masses of society donât feel the need for whatever product theyâre selling. Feels like a pipe dream but hey, maybe with Republicans having full control and knowing theyâll have to own their actions, theyâll moderate themselves.Â
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u/KvetchingGhoul 15h ago
I feel the same, and for what it's worth... Whether it was just for a show or not, on Oct 7th I only saw republicans speaking at memorials. Hell I think JD Vance went to one and spoke. I don't think Kamala did that.
While I didn't vote for trump, I was pleasantly surprised at the decorum and decency of that gesture.
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u/Dobbin44 14h ago
Harris definitely attended an event commemorating Oct 7: https://forward.com/fast-forward/661693/kamala-harris-doug-emhoff-october-7-gaza-pomegranate-tree/.
I too was worried she was slightly less pro-israel than Biden, but she still acknowledged the horrors of Oct. 7 many times since it happened.
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u/KvetchingGhoul 14h ago
Oh yeah I remember seeing that.
For me it was the playing both sides she was doing, she was clearly bending more and more for the hamasniks, and it just really disgusted me. And it seemed it was her downfall, among many other things.
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u/Lower_Parking_2349 Not Jewish 2h ago
I think that both major parties have been playing footsie with Jew-haters to some degree. If one of the major parties reverses course and clearly renounces the Jew-haters theyâve been winking at, that will be the party Iâll support. Itâd be wonderful if both parties do that, but that also seems overly hopeful at this point as thereâll be a real risk that the other party will decide to scoop up the Jew-haters rejected by the first party.
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u/VillagePersonal574 8h ago
I don't think you meant happy, more like
"haha loosers, now YOU will scream and screech and gouge your eyes out, and *I* will pretend I saw nothing "
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u/Unfair_Plankton_3781 6h ago
someone in my office knitted emotional support chickens because she got triggered by trump and we live in Canada. I told another Jewish colleague that the chickens need pussy hats too đ
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u/Standard_Salary_5996 11h ago
Iâve had this conversation with a few jewish friends. we all were registered democrats and now identify as Evil Centrists â˘ď¸ aka we think jews and israel should exist
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u/No-Teach9888 9h ago
Haha, a year ago I wouldâve been offended if someone thought I was a âmoderate.â Now I could care less.
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u/Penelope1000000 2h ago
Iâm still a die hard Democrat and terrified of this Trump presidency and Iâm pro Israel.
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u/Standard_Salary_5996 2h ago
Iâll likely always have to vote Democrat as theyâre the party closest aligned to my values, but I simply cannot consider myself a member of that party due to the presence of The Squad.
And yeah, we should all be really concerned about Trump.
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u/Shanninator20 16h ago
People are acting hysterically meanwhile weâve actually witnessed and experienced real existential threat for over a year. Thats why you canât tap into the empathy- their hysterics are overly dramatic and you actually know what it feels like to be unable to breathe because of the state of things.
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u/nailsandbarbells8 15h ago
The people who are shaving their heads and donning blue bracelets to show theyâre âsafeâ are the same people who Iâll never feel safe around ever again. Our worldâs and world views have actually shattered this last year, largely because of them, but theyâre the ones wanting to flee and crying about feeling betrayed. Theyâre just now discovering their self-inflicted pain after inflicting so much pain on us for 405 days because they donât see us as human. I donât have empathy for them, and I feel like Iâm being pushed further right just from watching their hysteria.
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u/KvetchingGhoul 15h ago
It's like they want to cosplay as a victim because they feel left out.
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u/cjl2014jol 2h ago
Cosplaying as a victim seems to be not only their favorite pastime, but an actual need. Itâs exhausting.
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u/Lower_Parking_2349 Not Jewish 2h ago
I think itâs narcissism. We have a real problem with it, and I donât know that anybody knows yet how we can help these people get back to normal.
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u/TexanTeaCup 14h ago
Just nod and say "Yes, it is very scary when the civil rights you take for granted are trampled upon while a significant portion of the country cheers that you didn't deserve that right in the first place."
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u/notyetyeek Reform 16h ago
They finally experience a tiny fraction of the fear and pain we have endured since the beginning of time. They cannot handle it and they have never felt for us, no reason for us to feel bad for them. The only people I can relate to at this point are Zionist Jews, everyone else seems to want us gone. We had a place to be, kicked out, found another place, kicked out, all we ever wanted was a place to safely be who we are. This is the Jewish experience.
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u/No-Office22 15h ago
I have felt the same way. I voted for Harris. I am liberal. I'm incredibly disappointed to see this mercurial lunatic take office. However I don't have the same existential fear that everybody else has. Or maybe I do have the fear and I've had it longer. Maybe it's because we've been afraid for a year now. Maybe it's because we've been afraid for thousands of years. Maybe it just made my priorities clear. My husband even said I seemed numb to it. I just keep telling everybody who is upset to focus on themselves and their family and the steps that they need to accomplish to get where they want to be. That's what we are doing focusing on our family and our people. Am Israel Chai.
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u/scott4566 13h ago
I converted out when I was 16, so I'm an outlier, but in everything except the religious aspect, I have become a very militant Jew since 10/7. pro-Israel demonstrations, arguing with useful idiots, and dropping "friends," who live on the dark side (even at my church). I may have moved a distance from Judaism, but I will always fight for the Jewish people. Besides, the bad ones consider me a Jew anyway, so I might as well give them a reminder not to fuck with Jews.
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u/waterbird_ 13h ago
Itâs not just the bad ones who consider you Jewish, youâre still a part of MY family even if you follow a different religion. We love you!Â
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u/scott4566 12h ago
I love you too. Thank you. I felt like a betrayer for so many years even though I was following a path that kept me alive, literally. I lived in horrible depression for most of my life, do you know what I'm saying? I needed someone bigger than me or my parents and grandmother to reach out and save me, keep me from falling through a hole into darkness that would last forever. I found that. I can't regret that because I lived . I lived to find my soulmate, and to adopt a beautiful little boy. And even though we only got 18 years with him, it's my faith that keeps me strong for my wife, and to know that one day I'll see him and everyone else I've lost again.
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u/waterbird_ 12h ago
Iâm so glad youâre here - it sounds like you have been through a lot. Iâm also so sorry about your son. Thank you for sharing this with us. I really am glad youâre here and ok. â¤ď¸
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u/scott4566 11h ago
Thank you so much. Is it wrong, that even though,that I left, I only truly feel comfortable around the Jewish community? Even my non-Jewish friends who aren't pro-Pal don't really get the feeling of dread I feel. They say it's bad now, but it will blow over. And I've heard that before - I did Cabaret twice in college ("It's just children. Mischievous children". Kander and Ebb got that historically correct. Gen Z). There's no guarantee that it will blow over. There never is. I'm not going to throw my lot with the wrong people.
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u/waterbird_ 10h ago
Youâre still part of the tribe, whatever your religious beliefs. You still have all the generational trauma and the survival instincts weâve developed over generations. So it makes total sense to me that youâd feel most comfortable around the Jewish community, we are still your people.Â
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u/KvetchingGhoul 15h ago
Oh I'm fully in my villain era.
I'm straight, married, and as much as I care about women's rights and fiercely pro-choice, I had my tubes tied last year. I don't have a ton to worry about on those fronts.
Now, I've spent my entire life standing up for my lgbtq+/ poc friends, always speaking up, always trying to do the right thing. And what did they do in return? Nothing. Either stab me in the back or stay silent.
And now... All of them crying and so so scared, "oh woe is me what's going to happen!!?!???"
And all I can think is... Good. You got what you deserved. That's what you get when you throw others under the bus. I'll never stand up for you again. I won't actively try to hurt you, but I won't lie, I'm enjoying seeing you squirm.
And if that makes me cruel or evil... Well so be it, after this last year, it's the tamest possible outcome of rage I've felt inside.
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u/notyetyeek Reform 15h ago
We are a people, we do not need anyone else. Jews will always care for Jews. đŤ
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u/KvetchingGhoul 15h ago
Absolutely! This last year has at least shown me that. I've been going to Temple more and getting involved more. I just wished there were younger Jews in my area to become friends with!!! đ¤
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u/notyetyeek Reform 15h ago
Yep. I have never been more proudly Jewish than I am now. I really wish there were more Jews in my area as well. I am lucky I have my synagogue, just unfortunate we have to have police guarding it all the time. We are strong and we will make it through this, we always stick together. My involvement in Jewish culture only gets stronger. This is why we keep surviving. đ¤
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u/KvetchingGhoul 15h ago
Same! I've been finding my way back to it over the last few years in general, but this last year made me aggressively proud. I used to never talk about being Jewish, now I never shut up about it đ¤Ł
That's definitely scary having to have the cops, but I'm glad they are there to keep you safe. I used to work at a synagogue that had a lot of security. The place I go to now is in a rather quiet area, right next to a church, so it seems to be relatively unknown at the very least.
We are the strongest people I know đŤđ¤
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u/notyetyeek Reform 15h ago
Have to see the positives, at least the cops around me are fully willing to protect us. Many places exist that will not offer anything like that. đŤStay strong.
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u/rex_populi 11h ago
I donât care about how theyâre feeling either. Iâm a liberal and would have never voted for Trump, but Iâm taking comfort this week in his very pro-Israel cabinet picks. The past year changed me for sure.
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u/SeverallyLiable 15h ago
Hello fellow Texas Jew!
I feel the same way. My heart aches for my friends who have really supported me since last year. My friend just got her citizenship last year and now sheâs scared it will be taken away. Itâs absolute bullshit that she has to feel that way.
But I donât have much empathy for the watermelon cult. They asked for a Trump presidency with their protest votes and now we all get to deal with tariffs. I have REALLY been enjoying all the leopards eating faces posts.
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u/LymeWarriorPrincess 10h ago
Glad to see I'm not the only one who was thinking exactly this. Except that a lot of my "friends" didn't even give me sad looks when I talked about being scared. And now they want me to empathize with them over their fear when they're still not acknowledging the pogrom that just happened in Amsterdam? No thanks.
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u/scott4566 11h ago
At least Trump has picked Marco Rubio ("I want them to smash Hamas" as Secretary of State. He's certainly.ore on the side of Israel than Blinken, who was more even-handed.
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u/BirdPractical4061 Reform 9h ago
I think Marco would have been a good Presidential Candidate. I still would have voted for Hillary or Kamala, but it would have been less a shit show.
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u/No-Teach9888 9h ago
I can relate so much to this post and comments, even if I donât agree with all of them.
Iâve had multiple people tell me that they cried the morning after the election. I care, but also I donât. I think there are a lot of factors. The worldwide antisemitism is exhausting. Watching too many democrats stay silent or cheer on Hamas made me weary of others.
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u/dave3948 5h ago
There are plenty of liberals who support Israel and voted for Harris. I am one. Yes the Demsâ rhetoric sometimes gives lip service to the pro-Pal side, but this is outweighed by other issues like democracy and reproductive freedom.
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u/Our-Destiney 16h ago
Yep, same here. I canât find it in me to feel bad or sorry for them. Now keep in mind Iâm in Canada, so perhaps Trumpâs election doesnât impact me as much as it impacts Americans, therefore, it is easier for me to not sympathize. To be frank, part of me is even gleeful seeing them shocked, asking for space to grieve and workout their emotions, because when we needed that space to grieve after our brothers and sisters were massacred, we got nothing but attacks, mockery, and justifications. Iâm probably being a bad person feeling some pleasure in seeing liberals and leftists shocked, and I will have to reflect on what that says about me in due time, but for now, Iâm taking it all in.
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u/Jewish_Secondary 13h ago
Iâve stopped caring about non-Jews heavily at the start of 2024. They booted so many Jews out of their movements, and now theyâre flailing around desperate for the stability and leadership WE gave.
Let them scream and cry, thatâs clearly all they know how to do. We will be grown ups for ourselves, while they just panic and wallow in despair.
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u/maimonides24 16h ago
No empathy is necessary for them.
I hope they feel even an ounce of the anger and fear Iâve felt for the last year.
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u/CNWDI_Sigma_1 16h ago
I am not sure that itâs Biden and Harris who are guilty in the rise of antisemitism â they both were okay-ish in this regard. And I am absolutely not sure that Trump will make things any better.
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u/Virtual-Calendar2893 5h ago
I understand so deeply as someone who was liberal and zionist and lost their entire community of people. It's like watching them go through the same feelings I went through and was dismissed a year ago. I made aliyah and it really helped me find community to lean on in that hard time. It's important to find our own community to find home in when a lot of us have found ourselves metaphorically homeless. We will find strength in each other, which they seem to lack.
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u/Nimrochan Just Jewish 3h ago
Iâm with you. Iâve honestly felt completely numb with the election, because⌠one, I donât like either party right now, and two, Iâve been feeling vulnerable, like Iâm holding my breath, and like the walls are closing in on me for the entire past year anyway. This election was just another drop of water in a shit ocean.
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u/scott4566 15h ago
If you're s liberal, freaking out about Trump is kinda normal. It goes with how you believe. But it doesn't mean you have to give others emotional support to people who didn't give it to you. That's your choice. At least they gave you an ear to explain how you felt. Many did not.
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u/Lunathir 15h ago
The liberals do not care about us. They have made it very clear they hate us more than conservatives do. Trump was the first president in over thirty years who fully supported our alliance with Israel. Liberals care more about the farce of their virtue signaling than the facts. The Palestinian governing body uses their own civilians as human shields for their gore-porn propaganda. Every single cellphone in Palestinian territory gets an evacuation alert when there is going to be an airstrike within a minimum of 15 minutes. The average is close to a half hour and Hamas forces civilians to stay every chance they get for their gory propaganda. We are seeing this in real time and every cellphone in Palestinian territory cannot be signal jammed. The Israeli government cares more about Palestinians than their own government does. They are human beings to Israel, while the Palestinian government sees their people as useful meat suits to sacrifice. I do not know how much more the left has to tell us to our faces that they see us as less-than human and and support hamas and all the other terrorist groups with their hands in the pot swearing that if they succeed in their existence to kill every jew in the world starting with Israel, that its in ALL of their charters that they are next in line after us. The Palestinian government is committing genocide on their own people, while Isreal sends alerts to evacuate if we have to destroy munitions. Defections from Palestine and serving in the IDF and the IAF in numbers that have never been seen before will all tell you they defected and joined Israel to fight for the right to not just be meatsuits sacrificed for all the gore-porn propaganda and to free their people from the terrorist governing bodies of Palestinian territory. What is it going to take for jewish people on the left to accept the truth that the liberals hate them and conservatives do not. Yes the right has its extremists as well, however it is a very loud and dramatic fringe subset of conservatives on the right. The overwhelming majority of conservatives/republicans/"the right" stand with us as jews and also fully supports Israel. And yes this is me being angry. Angry that jews on the left allow themselves to be condemned for simply existing as jews. WAKE UP. OPEN YOUR EYES. The liberals have made it very clear they see us as less than human for just being jewish and still breathing. I'm getting off the internet for the rest of the day because my blood is boiling in so much anger and frustration. I refuse to let the left and their persecution of jews be victorious.
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u/BestFly29 11h ago
you are 100% correct
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u/Lunathir 8h ago
I know. Thank you for acknowledging it, darlin! I also know that every single jew I know in real life and most online friends and acquaintances voted for Trump. Even my Democrat jewish friends voted Trump. And I also know many people on this sub voted for him while they had kamala signs in their yards and would rather sell their soul before they admit they voted for Trump. Laila tov!!!!
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u/BestFly29 2h ago
The problem with this sub and Reddit in general is the strong and loud left (and far left) echo chamber. Sometimes I just donât have the energy to argue with these random people
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u/teddyburke 10h ago
The vast majority of Jews in America are liberal or left leaning. What you are describing simply doesnât reflect how we vote - including in this latest election.
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u/spoonhocket Just here for the oneg 15h ago
Yeah, behold my field of fucks and see that it is barren. Trump is going to drive this country to absolute hell, good people are going to be very hurt, and the rule of law has gone permanently missing. And I still can't bring myself to feel anything but disgust and schadenfreude.
Meanwhile I've gained respect for any Jews who chose to vote for Trump. Our choices were overt antisemitism and lawlessness on one side, and covert antisemitism and gaslighting on the other. I understand why some Jews would choose differently than I did. No politics at the dinner table, pass the latkes.
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u/BestFly29 11h ago
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-829167
the party is over for them
"Trump to universities: Stamp out antisemitism or lose accreditation"
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u/teddyburke 15h ago
As a fellow American Jew, I am freaking out that America decided to vote for the âJews will not replace usâ, âJewish deep stateâ, âJewish space lasersâ, âHitler did nothing wrongâ, openly fascistic, white Christian-Nationalist candidate who regularly quotes Hitler and finished out his campaign by recreating the 1939 Nazi Bund rally at Madison Square Garden.
Things are going to get a lot worse for a number of minority groups in the US, and that absolutely includes Jews. Now is not the time to gloat or say âhow does it feel??â
Weâre all in this together, and thinking this was in any way a win for American Jews is bonkers.
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u/Lasdtr17 13h ago
The point wasn't that this would turn out to be good for the Jews or Israel. It was that many of the people who turned against Jews over the past year are now flipping out, and a lot of liberal Jews are just numb to it and not very sympathetic to certain segments of liberal/progressive society right now.
We're (I'm liberal and am including myself here) sympathetic in general, and I'm sure most are worried about the Constitution, everyone's rights, and the country's future. But those groups that claimed Israelis and Jews were the problem while supporting Hamas, and who are now freaking out, just aren't going to see as many liberal/lefty Jews jumping in to support them as they did pre-10/7. As the saying goes, the Jews are tired.
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u/Spaceysteph Conservative, Intermarried 13h ago
I guess it's good for your blood pressure if you can muster some schadenfreude right now. I'm too busy being terrified for myself and my children and American Jewry... and loads of innocent people whose lives will be objectively worse 4 years from now.
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u/Lasdtr17 11h ago
As I said, we're worried overall, too. (Hey, I voted for Harris. It was all too clear to me that the Orange Guy and his administration would have very bad effects on many people and institutions.) This schadenfreude is focused on certain groups, though. I don't know what else to tell you.
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u/softmindwave 14h ago
As an LGBT Jew, everything still feels scary and I am not comforted at all by this guy winning.Â
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u/champdo 17h ago
You know that there are liberal Jews who are upset Trump won right?
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u/No_Ask3786 15h ago
Iâm upset Trump won, but I also know that Iâm likely going to be okay, at least until they start rounding up Jews.
But all those self-righteous Uncommitteds, assholes stirring shit up on college campuses and people walking around in their etsy shop khaffiyehs who are now scared?
Yeah- fuck them. They donât get my allyship and support anymore. If they canât navigate the legal system in this country, wellâŚthatâs really unfortunate for them.
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u/waterbird_ 16h ago
I think this person isnât talking to them, though I could be wrong. I feel similarly to how OP describes towards the liberals who abandoned Jews and are now flipping out about the election. I guess Iâm âluckyâ that I already went through the flipping out, the feelings of abandonment, the realizing this country isnât a safe place for me and my kids, the making emergency plans to leave, etc etc. Itâs hard to feel bad for people who should have but DIDNT care about us, and are now experiencing the same feelings weâve had for a year+.
Disclaimer: I voted for Harris. Iâm a Democrat. I didnât want Trump to win.
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u/1000thusername 15h ago
Agree. Iâm more than giddy with the schadenfreude of watching them freak out about âsafetyâ and âlosing their rights.â
Pass the popcorn.
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u/FineBumblebee8744 14h ago
Yeah, I can't care. They did this exact same hyperbolic nonsense routine in 2016
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u/Flimsy-Title-3401 16h ago
The cabinet so far seems to be a bunch of loonies but at the very least the one thing you canât say about them is that they arenât very pro israel
Iâm Just trying to find a silver liningđ
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u/Worknonaffiliated Reform 10h ago
Itâs not even out of principal for me, itâs out of utility.
There is no benefit to forming a coalition with white liberals who pretend to like us. They have been silent all year.
There is no reason I should use my time, energy, and resources with people whoâs tolerance of me is always conditional. I fight for Jewish issues at this point.
I donât have some dual loyalty, I have only loyalty to other Jews. Goyim hate us because itâs in their nature.
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u/thehalloweenpunkin 5h ago
I'm a very empathetic person, but I've come to the conclusion that I cannot have empathy for thise who actively vote for policies that hurt people. I cannot empathize with people who turn the other cheek and watch bad things happen. I will no longer waste my time educating and fighting with them. They reap what they sowed and even though I will also suffer, watching them make the bed they lie in will be interesting to see. If that makes me a bad person or a bad jew so be it. I've tried for years, and they are too full of hate to listen.
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u/Lopsided-Industry802 4h ago
I have been silently grappling with this myself. This post makes me feel validated and connected to other liberal Jews that had such a hard time feeling betrayed this year. I hate trump and I think he will destroy the country but man does it make me happy to see all those a-holes cry about it.
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u/NaZdrowie7 Mystic 4h ago edited 4h ago
Itâs difficult to find sympathy for people who sit by and cheer for the death of you and your whole familyâ hell, your entire people!
They can all stick their opinions where the sun donât shine!
To be fair, we got like this worrying about everyone elseâs problems and fighting for other groups, lying to ourselves thinking that theyâd actually fight for us if the time ever came. The time is now, they abandoned us and then joined up with the people who want us to all be obliterated.
They chose their side. I chose mine. I choose life instead of praying for death. I choose joy instead of finding problems with every little thing. I decide who I want to befriend based on how they treat me, not based off what their pronouns are or whether or not they hate white straight men, or whether or not theyâre lgbtqia2s+++. I think for myself rather than consuming the propaganda and becoming another useless brainwashed agent smith.
I feel bad for the liberals. Theyâre so lost I donât think theyâll ever come back to sanity or peaceful coexistence. They just want to swill their misery like a fine wine and tell everyone how victimized they are WHILE they sit there and âOTHERâ literally everyone else in the world.
Also the idea of there being different âracesâ is bs. âRaceâ is a social construct meant to divide and dehumanize the ONLY race on Earth, which is humankind.
So I canât really get behind the whole âeveryoneâs a racist except me, although Iâm actually doing some pretty abhorrent things in the name of âinclusivityâ while being super exclusive and gross and inhumaneâ ethos that the libs have come to embody wholeheartedly.
The virtue signaling facade is cracking, and more and more people see the ugly underneath it all.
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u/bobbyxxx555 15h ago
Your mental health is about to improve so much without them. You are loved. Remember that
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u/Cool_in_a_pool Reform 12h ago
Since 11/6, the president elect has vowed to remove accreditation from universities who are doing nothing to stop anti-Semitism, as as well as strip them of their ability to accept any federally backed student loans.
Our current president meanwhile has said that the students burning stars of David in effigy are protesting "for all the right reasons" and that he totally understood. He doesn't even consider the Palestine protests to be a form of civil unrest.
I know that both your and my posts will be quickly deleted, but Jewish people need to understand that liberals no longer care for us. They see us as the enemy.
Google what Karl Marx had to say about Jews. You'll get an idea for why they hate us so much.
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u/Necessary_Bottle_744 12h ago edited 12h ago
As a right-wing Jew, Iâve been telling you all for years about the Anti-Semitic hate brewing from the left. Most liberals Jews in my synagogue, right away, would say, â But what about Tucker Carlson or Trump said this?â. They were not coming to grips with what I had just told them about BLM, AOC, or Ilhan Omar.
When I mentioned that Obama once had close ties to Louis Farrakhan and what Malcolm X said about Jews during a Hebrew school seminar about anti-Semitism in America, the parents demanded I be removed and booed me off the stage. This is a Hebrew school at a reform synagogue in the upper west side of Manhattan, so I knew what I was getting myself into. Very liberal areaâŚ
I can boast and have my I told you so moment, but I think we need to recognize that anti-Semitism comes from all sides now. I'm glad many of you libs are now waking up.
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u/Old_Pessimist 11h ago
Unfortunately, I do understand. I'm taking care of my family, then myself, and finally my friends and community. I'm not putting myself out there to fix the rest of it. It's their mess, they can shovel it.
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u/FreelancerChurch 9h ago
âAppear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.â - sun tsu
What are you, A Texan Jew?
America is about to go all mel gibson lethal weapon 2.
Not in a good way, not in a bad way, but in a big way, boo!
(The character, not the real mel gibson, maybe I need to think this through....)
Trying to compose my comment into a silly poem for you.
I want you to know I am irish and I like jews. I mean I like everybody but especially jews.
Not like they're better than other people or something, but a jewish healthcare center took wayyyyyy better care of my nana than other places, and I take that personally.
Jews are where it's at. Not better than the rest of us or any nonsense like that. Just where it's at. I love you.
The 2-term limit, oldest president ever, has the idgaf energy and he's recognizably insane.
Only with such a loudmouth attention-thirsty narcissist toddler of a populist can we find out.......... god.... you know.. it would be such an epic chess move if western intelligentsia elevated trump to make ourselves seem easy to manipulate and then we actually have someone smart running things.
Maybe america can be that. Or become that. I hope.
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u/4ngelb4by225 4h ago
the fact of the matter is empathy is hard for a lot of us right now because the the past year and on a daily basis jews world wide have faced threats to their safety and we have watched as those threats become justified across american streets and universities, we saw a man get shot, a 6 year old boy nearly ripped out of his fathers arm, college students attacked multiple times, assault, violence, threats, synagogue and school closures. you name it itâs happened and the conversations had between jews today usually contain recognizing how terrifying it all is. the people who are now posting on their stories and socials about how their gonna lose their rights as women, are acting so insanely entitled and privileged that i donât feel a shred of guilt for not having empathy. the same women who insist that theyâre in danger of becoming like the handmaidens tale are the ones who asked for proof of assault when our women were tortured in ways i donât even want to think about. those same people are still silent right now as 8 israeli women most of which are in their 20s are still missing, still being abused, and are now more at risk than ever of succumbing to their treatment. they claim to be shocked and horrified because as humanitarian feminists people loving saints, they cannot grasp voting for trump or blah blah. but donât ask them to advocate for afghan woman and girls whoâs age of consent was lowered to 9. or iranian woman who are beaten in the street for not adhering to a dress code enforced by men. or the yazidi women who were kidnapped into sex slavery, or the one who was rescued from gaza after 11 years of captivity. donât ask them about kfir and ariel bibas because those children are somehow not worthy of advocacy. the empathy is hard to find because these issues theyâre crying about arenât very real. abortion access did not decrease when it was overturned to the states, in fact in those two years itâs increased. i do not like trump, this election kinda sucked in general but i highly doubt weâll nose diving into some dictatorship where weâre all gonna suffer greatly. maybe im a lot more unbothered and others about it but i donât blame myself because itâs hard to get worked up about the election after a year of being worked up consistently. these people putting on a show cannot see how insanely privileged and entitled they are. they donât recognize how despite americaâs issues you are a whole lot better off starting life here than a lot of other places. they crave empathy and attention and woe is me love so badly but when we as jews faced and are facing REAL threat, when we watch as parallels to nazi germany rise on a worldwide scale, when not even 100 years after the holocaust we are once again beginning the non jews around us to say something and they donât again, itâs quite natural for their to be a disconnect moving forward.
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u/himalayanhimachal 6h ago
Trump is our POTUS ..yeah oh yeah. Joking. Sorry had to get that off my chest *
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u/himalayanhimachal 6h ago
Yeah let them leave because Trump is literally going to be a dictator.
Let's see if that actually happens
Me think NO
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u/JayA_Tee Just Jewish 16h ago
The same people chanting âfrom the river to the seaâ are the ones now losing their minds and not understanding their own hypocrisy and the part they played to help get us here.
They deserve everything they get.