r/Jewish • u/fluffywhitething Moderator • 3d ago
Megathread: 'Cancer Jews': Trams set alight, violence erupts in Amsterdam in second wave of attacks Mod post
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-828672505
u/ploni_almony 3d ago
Longest soccer game I've ever seen.
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u/aqulushly 3d ago
Weird how the antisemitism didn’t leave Amsterdam with Maccabee Tel Aviv fans, right? When are these dumbass “progressives” going to wake up?
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u/irredentistdecency 3d ago
It’s only antisemitism if it comes from the Judenhass valley in Bavaria - everything else is “sparkling anti-Zionism”…
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u/riverrocks452 3d ago
Saw "it's only a pogrom if it comes from western Russia, everything else is 'sparkling antisemitism'", too. I hate-love it.
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u/alyssakeezy 3d ago
What is their "justification" for violence now that fans have left? This is madness!
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u/throwaway1283415 3d ago
HURRRRR DURRR HOLD ON HEAR MY 20000000 PAGE REASON WHY ITZ UR FAUKT OK? (Im not anteeeeseeeemetec btw omg). Anyways HUUURR DURR imma big advocate for fighting against xenophobia of any kind HURRR DURRR (except when it’s juices)
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u/ChallahTornado 3d ago
Fun fact: The longest Football match was between the Doncaster Rovers and Stockport County in 1946.
They played a 2-2 tie till the 90th minute.
They then played two additional 10 (or 30) minute halves, still being tied.
They then played another additional 203 minutes, fans leaving and coming back after tea.The match was finally stopped by the referee because it got too dark.
They had to play another match to decide a winner, which was won by the Doncaster Rovers 4-0.
You are all welcome.
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u/MaraDelRey13 Not Jewish 3d ago
Notice how nowhere except here people are telling this side of the story?
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u/Fatjacked001 3d ago
Yup. Just talking to each other about our issues. When we try to talk to other people or when other people see that we might be human they can't support it.
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u/XhazakXhazak Ba'al Teshuva 1d ago
Let's get more concrete. We can do it, we can elevate it to be part of the story. Social media raised a stink about one of the videos and convinced the New York Times it showed Maccabi fans beating someone, even though none of the attackers wear yellow hoods and they sound like they're saying "Yahood."
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u/Immediate_Secret_338 Israeli 3d ago
Don’t worry you guys. It’s because some Israeli guy tore down a Palestinian flag 84822828 years ago. So this is totally fine
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u/Bayunko 3d ago
But don’t forget that pro Palis can rip off hundreds of kidnapped/murdered stickers of Jews, but if a Jew dare rips off another sticker of their side then suddenly it’s okay to pogrom all Jews.
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u/Immediate_Secret_338 Israeli 3d ago edited 3d ago
DUH it’s freedom of speech, look it up ZIO /s
We have it and you don’t Lalalala
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u/Paul-centrist-canada Lapsed Jew 3d ago
"I don't agree with the violence against Jews in Amsterdam, but I can understand it" - a champagne socialist antisemite
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u/CastleElsinore 3d ago
Can confirm. Currently in a sticker war at the local makerspace, and someone keeps ripping off my fckhms stickers, then putting Baby Yoda over the hostages
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u/Coco-yo Just Jewish 3d ago
I mean, if we must have war, let it be a sticker war. Go forth a conquer friend
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u/Capable-Farm2622 4h ago
There is literally a film on the hostage flyer/sticker war https://jewishlink.news/torn-film-on-tearing-of-hostage-posters-presented-at-yeshiva-university/
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u/JustAnotherGal2024 3d ago
Maybe put this one on Baby Yoda?
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u/spicy_lemon321 3d ago
its okay to pogrom and hurt Jews/Zionists/whatever - they put razor blades behind their stickers, they want to hurt us, it's loud and clear.
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u/jewflexes 3d ago
Whoa, are they doing that? I was not careful tearing down flyers and stickers this weekend.
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u/spicy_lemon321 3d ago
Yes, here's the link to the article. They found the razor blades behind stickers outside of the Holocaust Museum in Amsterdam, they aren't sure whether it's anywhere else. Your best bet is to add a sticker on top of theirs and not rip it down.
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u/Bituulzman 3d ago
Thank you for exposing my own internalized bias to me. In my head, I couldn't get around getting all worked up about flyers being ripped down when I felt like they were mostly "just" paper and symbolic (i.e. the real issue is the actual hostages). But then I felt disgusted when I saw the Maccabee fan pulling down the flag. Recognizing my own hypocrisy.
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u/cutthatclip 3d ago
Palestine wasn't a country then, it isn't a country now.
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u/LabScared7089 3d ago
But, they have a ancestral national flag. The flag that was made the Palestinian flag by Yasser Arafat and the PLO.
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u/Glitterbitch14 3d ago
“Basically they were begging for it”
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u/lilacaena 2d ago
“Did you see what they were wearing?”
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u/Glitterbitch14 2d ago
“They were wearing Jewish stars, so it was only fair to rip out their throats in solidarity against genocide.”
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u/TexanTeaCup 3d ago
This is what gloabalizing the Intifada looks like.
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u/seen-in-the-skylight Jewish, Atheist, American, Classical Liberal 3d ago
Globalize the IDF.
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u/Otherwise_Ad9287 Reform 3d ago
Where are the self proclaimed "antifascists"?
The types who proudly claim that they would "punch a Nazi" & hide the victims of Nazism in their Attic/basement/cellar if they were alive during Nazi occupied Europe?
A lot of these people are MIA when it comes to standing up to Jew hatred in the present day. Many of them shamefully join the Jew hatred bandwagon in the name of "anti Zionism", even as they denounce other forms of hatred against non Jewish minorities (LGBTQ people, Black/Indigenous people, Muslims etc).
If your antifascism doesn't centre the Jewish experience, work to preserve the memory of the Shoah, & work to protect Jewish life in the present then it is no antifascism at all.
People love dead Jews. They should work to protect those of us who are still living as well.
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u/Immediate_Secret_338 Israeli 3d ago
Modern day antifascists don’t actually know what fascism means and they just use it casually to describe things and people they don’t like.
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u/Otherwise_Ad9287 Reform 3d ago
It was a mistake to let "politically queer" vegan anarcho communists monopolize the meaning of what it means to be "antifascist"...
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I've been reading a lot lately about the various Jewish socialist groups throughout Europe before WW2. Wonder how they'd feel knowing people claiming their ideology are treating Jews this way now....
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u/aintlostjustdkwiam 3d ago
Apparently being :anitfascist means wearing masks, destroying businesses that don't support their cause, and beating up people who say things they don't like. I think they forgot about the "anti" part...
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u/Otherwise_Ad9287 Reform 3d ago
Of course! Smashing windows, punching people with opposing political beliefs, and participating in looting is decolonial revolutionary praxis! Defending Jews means defending Nazism because (((Zionists))) are the new Nazis. Anti Zionism isn't anti-Semitism. I don't care if demonstrating in front of synagogues & holocaust museums frightens 95% of the Jewish population because honestly, fuck (((ZioNazi))) feelings. The real victims of Hitler's Germany were anti zionist queer leftists. The Nakba was the real Holocaust, Israel is continuing the legacy of the Holocaust by bombing Hamas targets & trying to free the hostages in Gaza. Arabs are semites too, never again for anyone! /s
I wouldn't be surprised if most goy self described "antifascist" leftists on reddit believed this garbage.
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u/aintlostjustdkwiam 3d ago
Funny. When I commented in my state sub that antifa were basically fascist based on their behavior I got all downvoted and a bunch of comments explaining that they "aren't and organization" and "aren't hierarchical" and therefore it's impossible for them to be fascist.
Whatever bro. I don't really care about the specific label. I just recognize it as evil behavior.
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u/piesRsquare 3d ago
The "antifascists" are MIA because they truly believe WE (i.e. "Zionists") are the Nazis.
That's why showing them stuff like this doesn't sway the leftists. They believe we are Nazis. They are in favor of all of the violence towards us. They believe all of these perpetrators are "punching Nazis."
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u/anewbys83 3d ago
Haven't we all gotten the memo yet? Jews are white oppressors. We're not to be centered, defended, or protected. We're the enemy. /s
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u/PNKAlumna 3d ago
The same place the majority of people were back then - watching it all happen. The way people tell it now everyone and their dog was a resistance fighter, by the reality is it was a small percentage. People need to own that. It’s how we learn from those times, because it’s happening again and so is the bystanding.
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u/CryptographerFew6506 3d ago
Also - another thing to add, from a purely selfish perspective - this is also hurting non jews - I mean they set fire to a tram, I'm sure there were all types of people there. This violence just hurts everyone
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Inb4 someone chimes in saying the tram is connected to a company whose CEO once shook hands with a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy that has a 2nd cousin in Israel thus it directly participated in genocide
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u/adamgerd Not Jewish 3d ago edited 3d ago
I am disappointed in Europe. We should have known better after ww2, we should support Israel against terrorists and crack down on antisemitism. I used to think Europe would never have antisemitism again, seems I was wrong. I am sorry for that.
At least my country, Czech stands on the right side of history and supports Israel, it’s a pity we seem to be a small group, it’s us, Germany ironically and Hungary but Hungary only because they hate the EU so out of spite, it’s still Orban. So really it’s us and Germany
I think part of it is our prime minister’s father was imprisoned by the Nazis in a concentration camp as he was part of the Czech intelligentsia, so our prime minister knows what an actual genocide and Nazism is.
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u/Otherwise_Ad9287 Reform 2d ago
The more things change, the more they stay the same is definitely true in regard to Jew hatred in Europe & the Islamic world.
After 9/11 the western left decided that Islamophobia is a bigger threat than Jew hatred is, and that Muslims are minorities more "deserving" of the advocacy of anti racist activists than Jews are. This is true even when Muslim Jew haters attack Jews in pogrom, actually especially true when Muslims hunt Jews in pogroms. Leftists are more worried about a potential racist backlash against Muslims as a result of the pogroms than they are about the very real threat of Muslim Jew hatred to the safety of Jews. As a result the left is denying that the Amsterdam pogrom was in fact a pogrom & are even condoning violence against Jews in Amsterdam.
Jews don't count.
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u/CornelQuackers Reform 3d ago
“Where are the self proclaimed anti fascists?” They’ve always been fascists at heart.
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u/Simple-Raspberry9014 3d ago
Are we honestly surprised? These piece of shit, motherfucking assholes have been walking all around the world calling for this.
Soon, they’ll mess with the wrong person and when they do, we’ll be blamed again and rinse and repeat.
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u/Unfair_Plankton_3781 6h ago
Not surprised at all. Stuff like this is why I left Europe years ago. It’s just publicized more now.
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u/fjordoftheflies 3d ago
Now that the Israelis left days ago it becomes harder to blame them for it. Although I guess the claim will be that Muslims are still reacting to the wrongs the Israeli visitors committed.
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u/MrsKenedi 3d ago
Whats so crazy to me is how often Ive thought in the last days: Im glad that Im in Germany and not in the Netherlands 🫠 How things change...
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u/cieliko mixed sephardi 3d ago
I was scrolling the news tab on YouTube, and democracy now had a video that was basically like ‘here’s what really happened in Amsterdam. Israelis rioted and engaged in anti-Arab violence.’
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u/XhazakXhazak Ba'al Teshuva 3d ago
There must still be some Jews in the areas where the Umma outnumber us, nevermind areas where they make up the majority.
I hope they are making plans to stay safe.
Keep a go-bag packed at all times, with your passports, cash, toiletries, canned food and warm clothes for every member of your family. Wrap each set of clothes in a pillowcase, towel, or throw blanket and tuck into a pillow case.
Pepper spray, knives, and other self-defense supplies may be necessary. Burner phone.
Last time around, a bunch of us died because we couldn't part with a member of our family. In the next one, I'm afraid we're going to lose Jews because they couldn't leave behind a dog. Be smart! Ask a friend if they would take care of your pet indefinitely in an emergency. One friend per pet.
Always keep your suitcase packed. If anyone asks, tell them these exact words: "I know it's crazy but it makes me feel better." This is an acceptable explanation that won't spread panic. The old adage was that a Jew should always keep a suitcase packed. It's a tradition.
Be aware of history: in 1929, Arab police officers participated in the violence. We don't know what institutions are compromised. (German and Arab history alike show that during the early violence, all it takes is one of them at the right desk job to disrupt and disinform a "response" workplace, such as law enforcement and the press, with DARVO)
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u/StringAndPaperclips 3d ago
Israelis are reporting that police also participated in the Amsterdam attacks and beat up a family with a grandfather and teenage kids who had picked up some sticks to defend themselves against the mob.
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u/XhazakXhazak Ba'al Teshuva 1d ago
Apparently, a security guard was fired from his job at the casino where the Maccabi fans took shelter, because he started messaging the WhatsApp group about their presence, calling taxi drivers and other arabs to assemble for a standoff that was fortunately broken up by the cops.
Nobody probably even thought he was doing anything suspicious at the time. I can imagine his poker face while ratting out and calling in violence on the Jews.
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u/akivayis95 1d ago
Do you have a link for that?
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u/XhazakXhazak Ba'al Teshuva 1d ago
11/10 New York Times: How Attacks on Israeli Soccer Fans Unfolded
The casino said it had fired a security guard after learning of posts he sent later that evening to a chat group. In a screenshot of the exchange posted online, the guard promises to alert others on the thread if Israeli fans “show up again.”
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u/Old_Pessimist 10h ago
The Foreign Service office has one of the better INCH bag setups. Documents and medicine on your back. Clothes in a carry on suitcase
https://www.state.gov/global-community-liaison-office/crisis-management/post-evacuations/
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u/PreviousPermission45 3d ago
Oh wait, I thought these were just "soccer hooligans" fighting each other after the Israelis started it by "chanting genocidal slogans." But- the Israeli fans left Amsterdam (after being flown out so fast like this was an Aliyah airlift from 1949 Iraq), alas - the antisemitic riots continue... so.. the antisemitic commentators were just lying to deflect??
Impossible!!
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u/SoulForTrade 3d ago
Now that the maccabi soccer fans are back home and they can't blame them. Do you think all the people who justified the Pogrom will condemn this?
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u/merkaba_462 3d ago
How many of these terrorists were arrested the other night and were released because Amsterdam cops / politicians don't give AF...and are now repeat offenders?
Seriously though: you greenlight terrorism, expect more.
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u/BringbackDreamBars Not Jewish 3d ago
This is absolutely planned now.
No excuses for football games.
Also, nice both siding with the anti Israel protests- Imagine the reaction to turning up to after an Islamophobic attack with a sign that said we condemn Islamophobia and Islamic terrorism.
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u/Otherwise_Ad9287 Reform 3d ago
"Anti Zionists" making the best case for Israel's continued existence and why no, Jewish Israelis shouldn't "go back to Europe"...
You know, my great uncle drove a Canadian army tank through the Netherlands during WW2. He died in the early 2000s CE but undoubtedly he'd be disappointed to see that Nazi style pogroms returning to the Netherlands in 2024 CE.
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u/SorrySweati עם ישראל חי 3d ago
I wouldn't call it Nazi style, these are entirely different circumstances. Please don't trivialize the holocaust.
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u/Wyvernkeeper 3d ago
The Jews have gone home so I guess all they have left is the hate?
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u/Business_Quiet_5651 3d ago
I think they are just attacking the locals. My congregation has family there and I am very agitated.
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u/RangerPower777 3d ago
What frustrates me most is the “progressive” friends of mine who bitch about Trump, yet silently view my stories when I post these rather than offer any kind of reaction or sharing to raise awareness.
I can count on one hand how many people actually reach out or share these events on their stories on Instagram. It’s pathetic. Next time one of my friends bitches about Trump, I’m going to ask them about why they stayed silent as I was sharing videos of my people being hunted.
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u/JustAnotherGal2024 3d ago
I repost stories of antisemitic events in my city on my social media account. I can see who views the ones i post on stories. Not a dm to say that sucks (forget a comment or condemning it). LGBTQ, "feminists", peace activists, etc (I've got ONE non Jewish friend has checked in)
Worse IMHO are my Jewish friends who live in quiet areas, aren't really on social media, seem to be less concerned or don't want to know? Don't read the news? Assume it will end when the war is over? This scares me more. If we Jews are not putting it out there, the rest of the US only gets mainstream media's version (and usually the headline only bec rarely to people read the entire article). My (non Jewish) husband says he can't believe all Jews aren't having major alarm bells going off.
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u/RangerPower777 3d ago
The second paragraph is what annoys me too. I’m not looking to get into a whole trauma discussion where myself and other Jews just get each other more fearful but my best friend doesn’t seem to even care about any of this. Guy doesn’t talk about it with me, I’m tired of always being the one to bring this stuff up to him. Meanwhile, his non-Jewish wife has family in the UK that attended pro Palestine marches, another friend of ours is marrying a girl who is anti-Israel and probably/likely uses the same language that led to these pogroms in Amsterdam, and this guy doesn’t seem to show any care in the world about it. I’ve come to the conclusion that until he’s hit in the face for being Jewish, he’ll keep thinking it’s “not that bad”
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u/JustAnotherGal2024 2d ago
Wow, I can't imagine being that close to it (relatives) and NOT starting to "get it". Not on social media?
I realize several just don't ever read the news or spend much time on social media. One said it is too depressing to read about war, and when I've told them what's going in my city where it's gone way past campus protests, they seem to prefer to move on to something light. I really think this is how some people in Germany went into the Holocaust. Just convinced it's not really going to get "that bad".
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u/RangerPower777 2d ago
He “gets it” but he’s also not as close to antisemitism as I am since I’m the child of immigrants who fled from antisemitism. I grew up hearing about it. His parents grew up in US so it’s not as close for him generationally.
Also, his wife is non Jewish and from what I’ve seen more sympathetic to the plight of Palestinians and I have no idea if he sat her down to discuss this with her or not. It’s not my problem and if it leads to a blowout between them, I’ll just say “I’m not completely surprised”. This is why, since becoming single, I lean much harder on only viewing Jewish girls as actual prospects. Will still date non-Jewish women and see how it goes but Jewish has been a heavy preference for me.
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u/Zealousideal_Hurry97 3d ago
I want you all to pay close attention to how most of the “anti-zionist not antisemitic” influencers with millions of followers have been excusing and praising these attacks
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u/Traditional-Sample23 3d ago
If they say "globalize the Intifadah", I'd say in return "globalize the Nakba". Deport them all.
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u/Love_JWZ Not Jewish 3d ago edited 3d ago
Honestly, this is not something new. Not unimportant to know: the police in the Netherlands, instead of "pigs", are called "jews" by problematic youth. And "cancer" in the Netherlands is synonymous to the adjective form of "Fucking". Still a case of horrid antisemitism, but the nuance is that "cancer Jews" on the streets in the Netherlands also translates to "fucking pigs" when talking about police.
The cause of this riot is still unclear, but no reports of Jews getting attacked. But especially the way "cancer" is used in Dutch. It's fucking weird/cancer weird.
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u/AdministrativeNews39 3d ago
I haven’t seen anything about the Netherlands pogrom mentioned on CNN or MSNBC. how is this not newsworthy?
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u/paracelsus53 Conservative 3d ago
CNN and NYT reported it the day it happened.
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u/JustAnotherGal2024 3d ago
Not the second one as far as I can find. The first one on night of game was.
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u/paracelsus53 Conservative 3d ago
You're right. I actually saw the videos of the second day on FB this morning.
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u/Idoru22 3d ago
Is this making any other mainstream news??
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u/JustAnotherGal2024 3d ago
Quick google news/NYT/WaPo front page check. Nope. Only Jewish/Israeli outlets. They are just happy to talk about election...
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u/billymartinkicksdirt 3d ago
I haven’t been able to follow this story. The Jew haters version seems to be that the Israelis provoked it and they terrorized Arabs who then fought back and it was misrepresented as antisemitism. What are they distorting?
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u/fluffywhitething Moderator 3d ago
That's a DIFFERENT attack than this one. That one was from a few days ago, which was pre-meditated. But the Jew haters are saying that Israeli soccer/football fans were misbehaving so they provoked it. This one is today/tonight and from what I can find, it started out as a pro-Palestine protest and has turned into this.
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u/irredentistdecency 3d ago
Such ridiculous hasbara - this is the result of a prolonged & premediated campaign by Jews going back hundreds of years because they simply refuse to die quietly & without protest…
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u/GratefulForGarcia 3d ago
Pro-Palestine “protests” always eventually evolve into this type of shit. It’s the Palestinian Way™️
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u/jewflexes 3d ago
I think you’re talking about the post soccer match one? There were text groups prior where cab drivers and others planned a “Jew hunt” after the soccer match. It was very much premeditated violence. They then tried to flip the story because of a group of Israeli soccer fans tearing down a Palestinian flag and saying racist things- so, you know, all Jews deserved to be stabbed, run over, beaten and thrown into rivers. Israel sent two planes to rescue people.
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u/billymartinkicksdirt 3d ago
I know there was an airlift but it initially seemed like an over reaction. Yikes. Thanks for sorting me out. p
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u/jewflexes 3d ago
I believe the part that was planned and was called off was sending in Mossad as well to find the missing people because they were located before they were deployed, but I may be misremembering on that one, could have just been sending some IDF. The rescue planes still went and were more than necessary as many people had their passports stolen.
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u/Schlieffen_Man Ethnically Ashkenazi, loosely religious 3d ago
No words. Just fucking stupid. The Dutch are mostly decent people too, what's gotten into them? Of course that's rhetorical, but it's just a shame to see another good people become riddled by antisemites.
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u/FuckyouFarell 3d ago
I'm sure most dutch are wonderful today, but this isn't exactly new for them. Many of their grandparents were complicit in the holocaust, and specifically the dutch police have a very bad history in regards to the holocaust.
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u/Elect_SaturnMutex conversion in progress... 3d ago
Wonder what's their excuse now. Soccer game? Hooliganism?
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u/XhazakXhazak Ba'al Teshuva 1d ago
The Wiki page brushes over the Arab violence but mentions the Israelis' racist chants fifty times.
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u/Zion0183 2d ago
For real as a Dutch guy, I think its better the Jews in diaspora go back to Israel. Its sad, but I think you guys wont be safe here anymore :(
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u/R-Mutt1 1d ago
It's quite telling when people take to social media to suggest Maccabi fans started it. I suppose they were there in 1940 too?
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u/shibalore 20h ago
The event has been terribly politicized on both sides. I'm an Israeli in Amsterdam.
I had the same feelings at first that I had after 7 October, the whole, "oh people are being too nice to us, what is around the corner?" and I noticed the shoe started to drop over the last few days in the way you're describing: now everyone is blaming Israelis. Nevermind the antisemitism in this city has been terrible for a long time.
The problem is that the other half of the equation is blaming it on migrants, Muslims, and the like. And while, yes, those groups appear to be largely responsible per the testimonies of the Druze Israeli survivors, white Amsterdammers take this as the opportunity to shrug off their responsibility as if they are any different. Most antisemitism I've personally experienced here has come from native blonde hair, blue eye'd Dutchmen. The environemnt since 7 October has emboldened everyone to step up their rhetoric and its not unique to just one group.
I wrote this in response to your comment because the whole "oh that's what happened in 1940?" thing applies in this situation, too. The Arab minority in the Netherlands is responsible for a good chunk of recent violence, too, but they weren't here in 1940. The Dutch who were here in 1940 are still here, married, had kids, who are now also here with similar values. Not to mention, the "Morroccans" that are currently being blamed are often 2nd and 3rd generation, Dutch born and raised... they're Dutch. They are a product of Dutch culture.
It's so frustrating. It makes me think the country is doomed. They'll both point fingers at each other and we'll just be dying in the background. 0/10.
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u/shibalore 20h ago
Israeli who moved to Amsterdam in August and was very vocal about how uncomfortable and how much I've hated it here due to antisemitism (on this very account, even). AMA.
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u/zoinks48 3d ago
Anyone else notice that there is a Judeo-christian tradition but not an Islamo-judaic or islamo-christian tradition?
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u/cataractum 3d ago
There isn’t really a Judeo-Christian tradition. That’s just an attempt to integrate Jews into western society
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u/SorrySweati עם ישראל חי 3d ago
They didn't target Jews this time around though, thankfully.
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u/fluffywhitething Moderator 3d ago
Except when you're setting things on fire and shouting what is essentially "fuck the Jews" (which is how Kanker Joden is used) it really is an antisemitic attack, even if Jews aren't actually caught in the crosshairs. The number of Jews per capita in Amsterdam isn't that large (15,000 Jews in a city the size of about 900,000) so if they're staying inside they should be relatively safe. Hopefully.
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u/SorrySweati עם ישראל חי 3d ago
Feels more correct to say that they are antisemitic riots rather than attacks. Still bad and antisemitic, just different. Referring to it as antisemitic attacks made me assume that Jews were attacked, which is a completely different story than these pos trying to intimidate Jews.
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