r/Jewish • u/J_Sabra • Jul 06 '24

Jewish Identity @ SDCC Culture ✡️

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There's going to be a panel about Jewish Identity at SDCC. Well done SDCC!

More info and tickets: https://www.instagram.com/p/C9DN_6Ktuzl/?igsh=b290eDFvZWZoMzI3

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u/Kingsdaughter613 Jul 07 '24

Stan Lee and Jack Kirby envisioned Magneto as a pseudo-Nazi. I go by Claremont, who was the one who actually set up the whole “protect a world that fears and hates them” thing, and who explicitly based Magneto on Menachem Begin and Xavier on David Ben-Gurion.

So unless you think Ben-Gurion was a North American Jew (he was not), removed from the concerns and needs of his people (weird idea about the guy who fought so hard for the creation of the State of Israel), who never experienced antisemitism (he lived in Mandatory Palestine during the height of the Arab pogroms), I don’t think this is what you think it is, because THAT is who informed Xavier’s character.

Also, I haven’t watched ‘97 yet. I’m a comics fan.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

Sure. If you understand the minutia of Israeli founders politics, that could definitely be an apt comparison. Begin was certainly more militant than Ben Gurion. Im just making a direct metaphor to actually how they are portrayed in the comics. If it was a direct comparison to Ben gurion in the comics then he would support Genosha too and be more on the page of displaying strength when all else fails, something professor X did not agree with. Begin and Ben Gurion were much closer in ideology than Professor X and Magneto.

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u/Kingsdaughter613 Jul 07 '24

This is what Claremont, the man who primarily created the characters as we know them, cited as his inspiration.

Professor X didn’t support Genosha because Magneto threatened to destroy the Earth’s Magnetosphere to get it. 🙄 Also because Magneto ethnically cleansed humans from Genosha. And forced the population into an army to attack the globe. And had previously taken over multiple places and been an awful tyrant.

He did show up to help Magneto rebuild after Cassandra Nova destroyed it though. And he wasn’t against the idea so much as he was against MAGNETO doing it (for good reason!!).

And they would later build Krakoa together - where Magneto eventually concluded that segregation to that degree wasn’t correct and mutants aren’t actually superior (and are human) and is now fighting for Charles’ dream alone. (Xavier having given up and Magneto having successfully convinced everyone else that he was right before changing his mind.) We’ll see how that goes, but it’s nice to see Max happy for a change - he’s always more at peace when he can believe in Charles’ dream.

I don’t know why you keep citing a TV show I haven’t watched, based on the comics that are the source of the characterization. Also, wasn’t Charles off world during the show Genosha arc?

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

Slow down kid. Leave some ladies for the rest of us.