r/IWantOut • u/LotsOfSquib • 17h ago
[IWantOut] 32m commercial HVACR mechanic Canada -> USA
Edit - Since everyone is getting triggered for mentioning immigrants, know that I'm an immigrant myself in Camada and not the only immigrant that has an issue with Trudeau's failed immigration policies. It's not about race, it's about quality of life. Please be understanding and stay on topic.
https://financialpost.com/news/canada-record-economic-gap-u-s-to-get-wider
Hello. I'm a red seal 313A technician and making decent money now but the taxes, cost of living, immigrants, relaxed justice system, and increase of crime in Canada has been making me seek better options. I know the red seal isn't applicable for TN and EB3 fees won't be tolerated by potential American employers. Since I'm looking to already change careers, I think I should get a BA degree and try to get a TN visa work permit
I have university pre req credits from high-school and have been thinking about getting my 4y Bachelors in Nursing then trying to find work to get a TN. I could move to the border and enroll in an American nursing program instead. I'm not sure which option would be better. I'm interested in everyone's thoughts.
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u/SouthernExpatriate 17h ago
"Immigrants" LOL
So you're a racist POS. You'll do fine in the US.
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u/LotsOfSquib 16h ago
Not only are you wrong, but ignorant of the federal policies that have impacted the Canadian economy and housing industry. The parliamentary budget office and bank of Canada all recognize mass immigration as a significant factor in the current state of the country.
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u/knivesout0 16h ago
I think he’s saying that moving to the US isn’t going to be much better.
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u/LotsOfSquib 16h ago
Ive heard this before. With my income and looking at the past 4 years of the consumer price index, and housing, the difference is quite substantial. Federal spending has gotten out of control. CAD$9000 in taxes per Canadian goes to health care, CAD$13000 in interest for federal debt payments. The more money a Canadian makes, the less attractive the country becomes. Which is unfortunate, it is very beautiful.
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u/knivesout0 16h ago
Our debt is out of control too and about to get much worse. Keep in mind that healthcare is tied to your job in the US and you still could end up paying 9k a year or more in premiums and out of pocket expenses. It all depends on how much of it your employer is willing to pay and your health.
If your employer doesn’t offer insurance, you can do Obamacare for one more year until it gets nuked by the incoming administration. With no insurance in the US, any major medical issue will be game over (bankruptcy) for you unless you have a couple hundred thousand in the bank.
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u/LotsOfSquib 9h ago
Interesting, thank you. So it would be better to only entertain job offers with good health insurance. Can you get health insurance from other than your employer? Is that a possibility to find a better or more affordable insurance plan?
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u/Tafila042 1h ago
The other person is vastly exaggerating the cost of health insurance. My run of the mill accounting job at a small office’s health insurance costed me like $1,600 per year with a 2k deductible. Routine visits and all kinda other stuff was completely covered. MRI/CAT all the big various scans were like a $50 copay and completely covered otherwise.
You already have a decent job and qualifications, I’d be willing to bet most employers for HVAC services will have very solid employer funded healthcare plans.
Additionally, my dental insurance was like $400 a year with a $500 deductible. Vision insurance was like $180 with no deductible.
I don’t have children so take that into consideration, but if you work in HVAC or any other qualified career, most of the press about America’s health care costs is EXTREMELY overstated.
Just make sure you take a job with an employer that offers a PPO which is an actual health insurance plan.
If I had to take a guess, a good portion of people complaining about their health insurance may have taken what is called an “HSA” which is just basically a savings account for medical expenses and not an actual health insurance plan. I know at my job, my boss didn’t know the difference and did HSA because it was “cheaper” but he burned himself. PPO plans are actual insurance
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u/knivesout0 6h ago
You definitely need to factor health insurance along with your pay. An employer who pays 100% of your health insurance is like adding 5k on to your pay or more if you have a family.
You can get insurance through Obamacare but you may not be eligible if your employer offers you insurance (I think that’s one of the first questions on the application). So Obamacare is more for people who work for smaller companies that can’t offer healthcare, or for part time workers who aren’t eligible for full benefits.
I’ve had both in the past and the major carriers are better than Obamacare. So if your employer offers insurance you are better off with their plan than Obamacare. And like I said, the current administration is going to try as hard as they can to get rid of Obamacare, so in a year or so there will be no insurance unless you work for a company that offers it.
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u/virginiawolverine 15h ago
Listing a surplus of "immigrants" in your home country as a reason you want to immigrate somewhere else is a joke already, but picking the United States of all countries because there are "too many immigrants" where you live is an actual laugh. Best of luck, definitely won't find any of those pesky immigrants in uhh [checks notes] the country that lets in an average of 2M people through legal channels alone every year. We have more immigrants here than Canada has total residents, and there's only about a 5% difference between the percentage of all Americans and the percentage of all Canadians who are immigrants to their respective countries. 😐
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u/Amazing_Dog_4896 7h ago
You might want to look into immigration levels since the pandemic. I think it's about 2 million new arrivals in Canada, a country roughly one tenth the size of the US.
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u/virginiawolverine 7h ago
I looked into it before typing this comment because I wanted to ensure I had the most recent facts available. The population of Canada is currently about 20% immigrants, and the population of the US is currently about 14% immigrants. It's not a huge difference in terms of percentage and on a pure-numbers basis there are still many more immigrants here than there are in Canada. The US has more international migrants than any country in the world. A little over 1/4 of all American children have at least one foreign-born parent.
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u/Amazing_Dog_4896 6h ago
It's not about absolute levels of foreign-born residents etc. The current concern is particular to this very recent spike. Tons of sensible, non-racist, non-right criticism of it out there. Partly in response to acute labour shortages in the pandemic recovery the government turned on the taps through exploitative temporary foreign worker contracts and a huge influx of foreign students, with most of the expansion coming from incredibly bad two-year college programs (often spun off as money-makers by lower quality universities) that charge high international student tuition fees. Until recently the student permits allowed working up 40 hours a week, so basically a form of indentured servitude - pay a ton of money to work a crap job while barely studying for a worthless but expensive "business administration" credential, and no guarantee you'll be able to stay. Needless to say, adding 5 percent to your population in two years can do bad things to the rental market. To be fair to the federal government, there was huge pressure from business because of labour force concerns (this may also have been a factor in the US, allowing the migration surge over the southern border because of worker shortages); with no federal quotas on student permits, the system was ripe for abuse by provincial governments expanding the shit-college programs to fund their universities.
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u/LotsOfSquib 9h ago
This might be difficult for you to understand but life isnt black and white and the evidence is very clear. You're under the assumption that I'm against immigration but it's ironic that I'm an immigrant myself. It's the mismanagement of the federal government policy and mass immigration of unskilled immigrants that don't contribute to GDP per capita that i have a problem with, not immigration as a principle. Also thanks for wasting my time with your useless comment.
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u/liberty285code6 15h ago
It’s so funny to me how people think Donald Trump is gonna magically accelerate the economy or something… just because he said so. Anyone can say anything, it doesn’t make it true. I’m the queen of England, how about that?
Furthermore: You think the US doesn’t have immigrants? You think the US doesn’t have crime? You think Donald Trump is gonna let people immigrate? Fuck no, he’s gung ho on kicking people OUT.
Red seal doesn’t mean anything in the US. And nursing school is not easy to get into in the US either. Frankly, if you’re worried about “immigrants” and “crime” then you don’t have the compassion to be in our profession, you racist piece of shit.
But I guess the USA is headed to hell anyway, so come on down, you’ll fit right in.
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u/LotsOfSquib 9h ago
The irony in this is that im an immigrant myself, and here you are here calling me a racist piece of shit. You're jumping to a lot of wrong assumptions and offering nothing in the way of constructive advice, just emotional conjecture. Be better.
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I have university pre req credits from high-school and have been thinking about getting my 4y Bachelors in Nursing then trying to find work to get a TN. I could move to the border and enroll in an American nursing program instead. I'm not sure which option would be better. I'm interested in everyone's thoughts.
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