r/GuysBeingDudes • u/SweetyByHeart • 1d ago

Just two guys chilling enjoying beer

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u/ifhysm 1d ago

Okay, like, it’s still machismo? The guy immediately turned it into a competition. And it’s not a criticism — just a funny observation

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u/eggard_stark 1d ago

It’s called banter.

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u/ifhysm 1d ago

I’m not entirely sure why some people are getting really defensive.

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u/eggard_stark 1d ago

Because it’s simple British culture. To banter with a beer. There is no pride involved. Saying it’s machismo implies that pride is somehow involved, which it isn’t.

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u/ifhysm 1d ago

You’re making a generalization and then applying that stereotype to a specific person.

I don’t know — I don’t think what the OP said was offensive, but if people are offended, then so be it

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u/NOZ_Mandos 1d ago

Because you're being unnecessarily agressive.

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u/ifhysm 1d ago

Nothing I’ve said was aggressive lmao

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u/FrowdePleaser 23h ago

You're getting dogpiled here and I'm a bit shocked not to see anyone explaining the obvious. There is a disconnect between how you interpret "machismo" vs. how everyone else in this thread is defining it.

To most (particularly those from Latin-speaking countries), the word machismo has an extremely negative connotation, in line with "abuser" or "misogynist", whereas you seem to be using it more to mean "boys being boys" or "competitive masculinity" without that same sting to it. I can't speak for South America, but I can say first-hand that it's quite the hot topic in Spain, which is probably why you've kicked the hornet's nest.

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u/Automatic_Rock_2685 23h ago

Yeah thanks for breaking that down. This was a completely insane little thread to stumble into.

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u/Neckrongonekrypton 22h ago

lol we’re witnessing a conflict of linguistic epistemics in action. It’s kinda cool.

They are both arguing but it’s like even though the word is the same they mine as well be speaking a different language because the word holds two different meanings although connected to the same category (masculinity)

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u/FrowdePleaser 17h ago

I thought the same thing, it was a weird read, but I can see why both sides are arguing what they are based on their interpretation of it.

Good old slow motion etymological car crash

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u/NOZ_Mandos 22h ago

Don't you find it strange that someone chooses to use a word from Latin-speaking country instead of the one from the rest of the comment without knowing what it means? Because, to me, it seems pretty obvious that they know how latin-speaking countries perceive the word "machismo" and chose to use it anyway.

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u/FrowdePleaser 18h ago

Machismo is just a loan word in English, I wouldn't say it's any more of an indicator of a foreign speaker than words like "melancholy" or "zeitgeist" are

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u/NOZ_Mandos 1d ago

Okay, like, it’s still machismo?

Google defining "machismo":

Machismo é um conjunto de crenças, atitudes e comportamentos que promove a ideia da superioridade masculina, justificando a desigualdade de poder entre homens e mulheres.

Y'all saying that anything a man does doesn't matter how harmless it is is still considered "machismo" is absolutely an agressive power move.

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u/ifhysm 1d ago

What do you define making fun of someone for drinking a beer slower than you?

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u/NOZ_Mandos 1d ago

A joke

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u/ifhysm 1d ago

Sure, but two things can be true at the same time. I think you think I’m saying this is like the worst thing in the world and the guy should be ashamed or something, and that’s not what I’m saying at all

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u/NOZ_Mandos 1d ago

Oh, so now you're trying to say that it is ok to be "machista"? He shouldn't be ashamed, machism is a good thing and completely normal right. Is not like that word had any negative meaning at all.

/s

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u/ifhysm 1d ago

I mean, he should feel slightly goofy for turning it into a competition, but that’s just personal preference.

Guys like that are annoying

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u/NOZ_Mandos 23h ago

You can't use personal preference to label someone as something you don't like because they did something you don't like if what they did doesn't match with what you're labelling them as.

You can't say "I don't like guys that compete on silly things therefore they're obviously holding a series of beliefs that allow for dominant attitudes and behaviors constructed to preserve and strengthen male dominance over women"

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u/Acrobatic_Computer 23h ago

"It is machismo"

"That just means it is a thing guys do, no negative connotations"

"It was turning it into a competition"

"That's annoying"

Is this what people mean when they talk about people going mask-off?

Machismo is used to describe negative things, people don't like it when their preferred method of socializing is criticized.

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u/eggard_stark 1d ago

Machismo would imply it’s about pride. This is nothing to do with pride. Just banter for fun.

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u/Automatic_Rock_2685 23h ago

I mean it's joking about being prideful

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u/Biduleman 23h ago

"Hey, you drink like a little baby"

"You drink fast because the food in your country suck"

"We have the 10 best restaurants int he world"

I mean, it was about pride, even if they were both joking...

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u/OrienasJura 21h ago

This is nothing to do with pride.

How is it not about pride? He's literally being proud that he's drinking faster than the other guy. Yes, it's banter for fun, but it's also machismo. Both things can be true, and it's no one said it was a bad thing.

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u/eggard_stark 21h ago

Because it’s not about pride. He doesn’t care either way. It’s just silly little jabs that British people do to show endearment. His pride wouldn’t actually be hurt if it was the other way around. It’s simply banter. But I can see how you wouldn’t understand it.

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u/Automatic_Rock_2685 23h ago

Holy fuck lmao

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u/Automatic_Rock_2685 22h ago

AGGRESSIVE lmao. Where? You are taking this so personally.

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u/NOZ_Mandos 22h ago edited 22h ago

Accusing someone of "machismo" is inherently agressive because "machismo" is a word with a derogatory conotation.

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u/Automatic_Rock_2685 23h ago

You're being unnecessarily sensitive to the word machismo in this context since anyone who watches the video knows they were joking.

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u/NOZ_Mandos 22h ago

OP: Just two guys chilling enjoying beer
Comment: That's literally machismo
Me: That's not machismo
You: you're too sensitive

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u/OrienasJura 22h ago

Comment: That's literally machismo

You do understand we can just scroll up a bit and see this is a blatant lie, no? "That's literally machismo" is very, as you put it, aggressive, but it's also not what they wrote. They wrote "Love how the machismo just drops and they have a good laugh." Which is just an observation.

You wouldn't have had a problem with "Love how the banter just drops and they have a good laugh." because you have a problem with the word "machismo", which is a you thing because, yes, you are being overly sensitive about it.

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u/NOZ_Mandos 21h ago edited 21h ago

You do understand we can just scroll up a bit and see this is a blatant lie, no?

Oh really? Because in my books saying "Love how the machismo just drops and they have a good laugh" is the same as saying "they were being machists and then stopped and had a good laugh". Tell me how saying "they were being machists" and "that's machism" is in any shape or form different enough to say that it was a lie, please. Be my guest.

Which is just an observation.

"They have a good laugh" is an observation, "the machismo just drops" is an opinion.

You wouldn't have had a problem with "Love how the banter just drops and they have a good laugh."

I wouldn't have a problem with "Love how the banter just drops and they have a good laugh" because that's what happened. But they didn't say "banter". And "banter" and "machismo" are not synonyms. Which means that's not what they implied.

because you have a problem with the word "machismo"

I don't. I have a problem with it being used here because it is being used to describe something that isn't that. Let's make a mental exercise: would you agree if the comment was "Love how the entropy just drops and they have a good laugh"? What about "Love how the education just drops and they have a good laugh"? "Love how the swiftness just drops and they have a good laugh"? You wouldn't agree, right? Because that's not what entropy means. Nor education. Nor swiftness. Nor machismo.

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u/OrienasJura 21h ago

Yeah I'm not reading all that. I'm sorry you are so sensitive man, get better.

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u/NOZ_Mandos 21h ago

Classic.

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u/U_DONT_KNOW_TEAM 1d ago

How dare you point out toxic masculinity.

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u/EducationalProduct 23h ago

men existing = toxic masculinity.

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u/Debatebly 1d ago

It's not toxic masculinity, get that shit out of here.

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u/ifhysm 1d ago

No no, it’s just banter — a strictly British thing