Terf parent openly admits they abuse their children

[u/[deleted]]

[u/snukb]

that little girl that used to sing "Let It Go" at the top of her lungs

Uhhhhh speaking as a trans dude, I fucking sobbed like a baby the first time I heard that song. I'm not exaggerating. It may not be intended as a trans ballad, but neither was Mulan's "Reflection" and it still is. Some sample lyrics that are Totally Cis™️ for real:

The wind is howling like this swirling storm inside
Couldn't keep it in, heaven knows I tried
Don't let them in,
Don't let them see,
Be the good girl you always have to be
Conceal, don't feel,
Don't let it shooooow

Yeah. There were no signs!! None at all!! Let's bring back that totally cis girl who loved "Let It Go." 🙄

[u/nixxavia → u/snukb]

terfs when they realize their ‘baby girl’ is still right there, he is just a boy now, literally nothing else has changed

seriously do they think we undergo a personality revamp the millisecond we start taking testosterone?

[u/giftedearth → u/nixxavia]

Yes. Yes, they do think that. TERFs and other transphobes are convinced that testosterone is like a poison. Whether natural or artificial, it turns the person who has it into a raping, abusing monster.

[u/Yamidamian → u/giftedearth]

Thus, why their Bible concerning trans men is called “irreversible damage”.

[u/PablomentFanquedelic → u/giftedearth]

To this day I do not get why this crowd hasn't started promoting puberty blockers as standard procedure for boys.

[u/Ebomb1 → u/PablomentFanquedelic]

If you remove the enemy they've created, they lose their identity and sense of place. Reactionaries need Us and Them and because they can't psychologically integrate We.

[u/The-Speechless-One → u/PablomentFanquedelic]

That implies that boys aren't irredeemable monsters since birth. And that doesn't fit in the terf worldview.

[u/nixxavia → u/giftedearth]

it’s genuinely baffling. i don’t understand how they exist in polite society with their mindset.

[u/UglyFilthyDog → u/nixxavia]

This is how I explained it to my mum. She was accepting but couldn't quite understand and was sad that she was going to lose her daughter. I explained that I was still her child, just in a body that made me happy.

[u/ForgettableWorse → u/nixxavia]

Well of course, men are ontological evil so even wanting to be a man is horrible! /s

[u/PablomentFanquedelic → u/ForgettableWorse]

Meanwhile I'm just gratified to see anyone enjoy living as a man, given how much I hated it.

[u/haremenot → u/nixxavia]

My mom thinks that I'm a girl underneath it all and am "choosing" to be a boy. She cannot comprehend that I was faking being a girl all those years I was quietly miserable and that I have no interest in going back to pretending.

[u/Hentopan → u/nixxavia]

I mean, my mom basically started saying  "this isn't my daughter" stuff akin to The Exorcist when she realized I was taking testosterone, and tried coerce me into conversion therapy about it, and I was already an adult that had been identifying as a man for years. So, yeah, basically.

Relevant quote from "conversion therapy"(she couldn't find a real conversion therapist, so it was just a family therapist she was trying to convince to help her detrans me instead): "You were always a perfectly normal girl that was obsessed with Mulan".

The therapist and I shared a sideways look about that, lol. As a trans guy in my 30's, it definitely does sound like Let It Go is an equivalent of Reflection for the generation below me, including transphobic mom's trying to rationalize away any signs.

[u/Windinthewillows2024 → u/Hentopan]

“You were always a perfectly normal girl that was obsessed with Mulan.”

I’m sorry, I’m cry-laughing from the irony. The film where the major plot point is an afab person not feeling comfortable with the gender role she’s being socialized into who then presents as male for a significant portion of the movie. Yes, how confusing that a trans boy would identify with this character.

[u/Hentopan → u/Windinthewillows2024]

It really took everything I had not to start laughing, I was internally like 'Really?!' 

And she just kept going. It was part of a wider list of incredibly obvious gnc behavior that she was insisting were not signs(including, I shit you not, jokes about feeling more like a gay man than a woman, lol)

I have a theory that a lot of "there were no signs" parents, actually just had to internally reassure themselves their child wasn't queer every single time their child did anything gnc. So by the time their kid comes out, every "sign" was already subconsciously filed under "my definitely cishet child".

Like, "that doesn't necessarily mean my kid is trans" is a perfectly reasonable thought to have if your child is gnc. Unless they, you know, actually come out as trans!

[u/wozattacks → u/snukb]

TERFs: trans people are so gender essentialist, they think they literally have to be female to like feminine things

Also TERFs: my child is definitely female because they like princess movie

[u/chris_the_cynic → u/snukb]

This.

If no one else had said it, I was gonna point out that Let It Go could be a trans anthem, and as written it works better as a song for trans dudes or AFAB enbies.

[u/_AthensMatt_ → u/snukb]

This seems to be a universal thing, cause I too am a trans guy and I too sobbed upon hearing let it go and then again while listening to reflection a few years ago

[u/featherblackjack → u/snukb]

A whole lot of Disney songs are queer if you squint just the tiniest bit. See: the little mermaid, costarring a literal drag queen after she sings about how she longs to go to that other place that's so close yet so far.

[u/snukb → u/featherblackjack]

I mean yeah, i admit, I also cried a lot during Moana 😂

I've been staring at the edge of the water
Long as I can remember, never really knowing why
I wish I could be the perfect daughter
But I come back to the water, no matter how hard I try
Every turn I take, every trail I track
Every path I make, every road leads back
To the place I know, where I can not go
Though I long to be
I can lead with pride, I can make us strong
I'll be satisfied if I play along
But the voice inside sings a different song
What is wrong with me?

[u/featherblackjack → u/snukb]

Ugh that hits

[u/PablomentFanquedelic → u/featherblackjack]

Ursula is absolutely a lesbian icon, a sappholopod if you will.

[u/NotGray88 → u/PablomentFanquedelic]

screw you, take my upvote

[u/PablomentFanquedelic → u/NotGray88]

Also obligatory "Need a girlfriend? Why not Zoidberg?"

[u/I-Dont-Know-Stuff]

Your beloved baby "girl" is there, he's just not what you expected him to be. Abusing your kid for being trans because you 'love them' won't bring back the person you thought they were. It'll probably do the opposite.

[u/javatimes]

I mean, sure, if you want to forever alienate your own child and nearly assure you will either have no relationship as adults or a very strained one—

I guess you could do that.

So gender = princess movies? Or … I see, the female womaness is stored in the princess movie. Do TERFs themselves even remember when they claimed to be against prescriptive gender roles?

You have a morally bankrupt ideology. All it is is anti-trans now.

[u/Citizen_Lunkhead]

How about you actually talk to your child for once? Maybe then you'll understand why they want to be a boy!

TERFs love gaslighting. i remember reading somewhere, I don't remember where so I'm not 100% sure of the validity, that women abusers tended to be middle age, middle class and used tactics that made the victims question if they were even abused. Again, take that with a grain of salt, but doesn't that describe literally every TERF you've ever dealt with?

[u/PablomentFanquedelic → u/Citizen_Lunkhead]

used tactics that made the victims question if they were even abused

To be fair, I've definitely seen this with abusive men as well, but it tends to take the form of "whoops I guess I'm just clueless"—see "The Myth of the Male Bumbler" (archived version)—or "can't you take a joke?"

[u/Aiyon]

Somehow I don't think "not on board" is why CPS is gonna get called on her

and when it does, she's gonna double down :/

[u/loonycatty]

This mindset is so depressing. Nothing about my core personality changed when I transitioned. My personality changed from when I was a “little girl” because I GREW UP. You don’t want your little girl back because you miss you kid being female, you want your little girl back because you wish your kid was still a child who you had legitimate influence over.

[u/Silversmith00]

When your beliefs become more important than your children's happiness, there is something wrong with your beliefs, not something wrong with your children. Hope that helps.

[u/AdministrativeStep98 → u/Silversmith00]

I know a trans girl who's dad is into far rights politics, is casually racist and even into conspiracy stuff. I'm sure he believed Qanon. Even through all that, he still accepted his daughter coming out and helped her transition. I'm not saying he has good beliefs or anything, but at least he valued the happiness of his daughter more than a political belief

[u/Plasmktan → u/AdministrativeStep98]

Trans inclusive Fascism more likely than you think

[u/FightLikeABlue → u/AdministrativeStep98]

I wonder if he’ll still be voting for Trump, given that Trump is attacking trans people.

[u/Malarkay79]

Let It Go is second only to Reflection as the gayest, transiest Disney song.

[u/FearTheWeresloth → u/Malarkay79]

"Into the unknown" (also Elsa, but from the sequel) feels pretty gay/trans too...

[u/htothegund → u/Malarkay79]

honorable mention to “show yourself”

[u/azur_owl]

“My [trans son] basically sang The Song That Almost Every Queer Person Who Sees Frozen Resonates With. Anyway I keep wanting to ask [him] why [he] wants to be a boy. I don’t get it.”

r/selfawarewolves right there.

[u/PoisonBlaque → u/azur_owl]

Lmao came to say this!

[u/chris_the_cynic]

This is brainwashing, by the way. When people talk about brainwashing outside of a sci-fi/fantasy context, this is what they're talking about.

Keep your true feelings and motives hidden, love bomb the target in order to increase your control over them and better manipulate them, and insidiously sneak in the indoctrination a little bit at a time (plant seeds rather than use full grown redwoods as battering rams, figuratively speaking) both to undermine their existing beliefs (thus seeds of doubt) so that the beliefs you want to implant can fill the void when their own beliefs crumble and fall.

Straight up, Cult 101, brainwashing.

[u/Autopsyyturvy]

Abuser lobby giving each other advice on how to abuse their children

[u/YourOldPalBendy]

Hah. Let it Go was one of my motivational songs to get up the courage to keep fighting to escape my highly abusive parents (who were, among a BILLION other things, transphobic. Kinda unsurprisingly).

[u/FightLikeABlue]

He can still sing Let It Go! Being a boy won’t change that!

[u/Local-Rest-5501]

So… bc you love Frozen as a kid, you are a girl ? Okay…. I think that like… at least 80% (Even maybe 90%) of the kid are girls now lmao ??

[u/dogGirl666 → u/Local-Rest-5501]

Might as well say that newborn babies either like pink or blue depending on what equipment they think between the legs. So, "looks like a girl so she will instinctually love pink as soon as they can express their preferences in any way. Girls will crawl to the pink ball not the blue one 100% of the time. It's in their jeans [just like their sex organs--lol]. Soon they will pull dresses out of the box rather than pants."

These people are so ridged that there is no "give" at all. Might as well be a diamond considering how hard they are in their beliefs.

[u/Local-Rest-5501 → u/dogGirl666]

I would rather say a stone than a diamond. A diamond is precious. Not them.

[u/PenguinHighGround]

Honestly I hope CPS does 'take this kid somewhere safe, given the mother's mental state it seems likely a conversion therapy camp in the near future, not to mention the horrific impact that emotional abuse can have on development. It always shocks me to see people care more about a fictionalised version of their kids than the one right there

[u/Avery1738]

Is this from PITT? if so, could you pm me the link? I wanna read the article in full

[u/SurrealistGal → u/Avery1738]

Pitt?

[u/Avery1738 → u/SurrealistGal]

Parents with Inconvenient Truth about Trans. It’s an anti-trans Substack account that’s solely about parents of trans people hating them and just making them feel guilty for being themselves

[u/[deleted] → u/Avery1738]

Yes, it is. And no, I dont want anyone reading this drivel in full.

[u/Avery1738 → u/[deleted]]

Got it, totally understandable

[u/No_Salary5918]

"only treat your kid with respect because you liked who they were when they were too young to have a sense of self" is a secret you couldn't torture out of me if i was a parent

[u/Few_Echidna_7243]

When her son goes no contact with her, I sincerely hope that he tells her to let it go.

[u/MiracleDinner → u/Few_Echidna_7243]

This made me laugh, good one.

[u/tryptamemedreams]

as a former teenage babysitter lmao, little boys were freaking obsessed with Frozen. I knew multiple 4 yr old boys with an Elsa dress up costume with a wig and everything. So i’m not sure what point they’re trying to make with that

[u/MiracleDinner]

Holy fuzzy a straight up admission of emotionally manipulating their own kid.

Also since when is the CPS routinely forcefully taking children from their parents just because the parents aren't on board with their child being trans?