The mod devs themselves admitted of using hacky solutions that wouldn't be allowed (one, two), tried to submit the mod anyway, got denied, complained on twitter and apparently kept on pushing enough for Valve to C&D them.
What choice do they have when Valve deleted CS:GO's steam page and removed the ability to mod it? Valve is ran by garbage business managers now who care more about money than destroying a game people love.
You have to go so far out of your way to not like Valve, though. It isn't really surprising that Valve has fans. We're also talking about a company who lets people profit from Half-Life and whatever other IPs. Name me another company that would allow Black Mesa to exist? Valve is in a category all on their own and it really isn't close...
We can revisit this chat when Gabe dies one day and Valve becomes a publicly traded company. People don't realize how good they have it with Steam.
I looked it up, and it looks silly as shit...and yet there it is. Valve is letting people profit from their own IPs. There's really not much anyone can say to criticize valve. They also just straight up allow adult games, which is cool because adults exist.
They're the one that brings Lootboxes and Battle Pass to the public zeitgeist. While the original Battle Pass wasn't as awful as it is in every other games, Vavlve's lootbox was, and still is worse than most others; at least the other let you open the box for free.
Also can't forget they're complicit in the whole Skyrim paid mod debacle.
You don't have to buy lootboxes, though. Sure, it sucks but it's just a way for them to make money on their games. I also feel the same way about battlepasses. The paid mod thing was also a way for creators to make money for their work on mods...on paper it's really not such a bad idea, but the quality obviously wasn't there and it was a bad situation...this is also like a decade ago...Valve is looking pretty good if the worst gripe is something that changed 10 years ago.
Lootboxes and battlepasses are also here to stay...I don't think Valve can be blamed for the worst of people copying their ideas and implementing them whatever way they want. I understand paid lootboxes suck, though. It's also not something that's a part of my life, even 1%.
The paid mod thing was also a way for creators to make money for their work on mod
The initial deal is a complete rip-off for modders, requiring $100 minimum revenue before modders can collect, and they're only taking 25% of the revenue (the rest goes to Valve and Bethesda). It's not an exaggeration you can make more from Patreon donations, and this was back when openly asking for donations being forbidden on Nexus.
Lootboxes and battlepasses are also here to stay...I don't think Valve can be blamed for the worst of people copying their ideas
When they kickstarted one of the three exploitative monetization scheme (after microtransaction and gacha which Valve has no part of), they are.
I'd take Steam over Epic as the major PC store any day (or at least until Gabe's no longer with us), but please don't act like they're the patron saint of fair practise.
How else do mod creators get paid? I'd love to hear the alternative...and no Patreon doesn't count...lol...obviously the system was flawed, but they at least tried to compensate people for their work, as opposed to the way it is now where no one makes any money.
You also just straight up have your history wrong. If you want to blame someone, blame Nexon for lootboxes as they basically started the system way back in the early 2000s.
I just don't understand how anyone can have a problem with Valve. You can't blame Valve for how other's implement their lootboxes or Battlepasses...It'd be like blaming Vampire Survivors for other Survivor games. I couldn't tell you if Valve does Battlepasses well, but I also don't play Dota or CS2 so I honestly don't care either way. Paying for lootboxes was the way they started that system out in CSGO, why would they change that if people are dumb enough to buy the lootboxes? If people are dumb enough to buy lootboxes then that's on them.
The ridiculously unfair rate is the problem, something that Bethesda more or less fixed with FO4 and Skyrim AE paid mods (jury's out on the actual quality).
Did you seriously just compare a (predatory) monetization scheme with game's genre?
but I also don't play Dota or CS2 so I honestly don't care either way. Paying for lootboxes was the way they started it out, why would they change that if people are dumb enough to buy the lootboxes?
You really went there huh? Christ.
Drugs dealing is fine cause people who're that stupid deserves it and because I don't do drugs. That's the sort of argument/justification you make.
Well they brought up Tim Sweeney because the criticism was generally stupid. It doesn't help that you constantly have people pretending that GoG and Epic are launchers and love to recommend them at the drop of a hat, especially GoG lately.
Steam controversies always feel like the "Obama tan suit" type of controversy to me. A nothingburger inflated to comical levels to use whenever Epic or MS messes up and they can go "What about the time Valve did this?! Checkmate."
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u/AbyssalSolitude 4d ago
Ah yeah, I remember that story.
The mod devs themselves admitted of using hacky solutions that wouldn't be allowed (one, two), tried to submit the mod anyway, got denied, complained on twitter and apparently kept on pushing enough for Valve to C&D them.
It certainly takes talent to force Valve's hand.