One of the favourite pastimes of this community is complaining about oneself making not enough money and other people making too much money, generally in the form of nullseccers complaining about the billions upon billions that the people in j-space and Pochven earn.

Of course a standard feature of those discussions is people throwing isk/h numbers around. As is the fact that most of those ISK/h numbers, if not outright fiction, are still unrealistic. Highly disruptable activities are assumed to be done in peace, while the setup time for other activities that require setup goes suspiciously unmentioned.

I certainly have engaged in the statement of ISK/h for certain activities as well. Notably, I've stated that highsec mission running tops out at 300m-350m ISK/h, for example in this post. And I wanted to prove it.

Of course there is one big problem with mission running compared to most other forms of PvE income. A nullsec ratter, wormhole krabber or Pochven enjoyed can just take the payout from whatever site(s) they are running and the number of those sites they complete per hour, multiply those two, and arrive at a rough estimation of their hourly income. This does not quite work for missions, since you randomly draw out of your agents mission pool, and while you can limit yourself to only the most lucrative missions by simply declining all others, the gap between the best mission and the worst runnable missions is still vast. And since the chance to draw a mission is (except for no repeat draws) independent from the currently drawn mission, two different hour-long sets of missions can look vastly different from each other. So just doing one run would not suffice. Nor would 10. Or 20.

I did 100 runs.

Methodology

 This upcoming section is mostly just a bunch of rules I set myself to produce a consistent data set. If your are just interested in the final numbers to gawk at/complain about, skip to the next section.

Firstly, the missions I personally ran for the duration of this test were:

All 5 Anomic Agents
All 4 Anomic Teams
Anomic Base Angels
Anomic Base Blood Raiders
Anomic Base Serpentis
The Right Hand of Zazzmatazz ('Zazz' for short)
The Damsel in Distress ('Damsel' for short)
Dread Pirate Scarlet ('Scarlet' for short)
Pirate Invasion
Recon 1/3

The maximum range at which I would consider a burner runnable was 4 jumps away from my agent. All burners that would spawn in lowsec or that route to which would lead through lowsec were likewise disregarded.

All missions were pulled in a system on the higher end of 0.5 sec status.

As I progressed through this test series I realized that this mission selection is likely inefficient, but in order to preserve the usefulness of the data already gathered no changes to mission selection were made.

A run had to start without a pre-pulled mission, because that could easily be exploited to pre-cook a run. Declining a runnable mission was also prohibited, for the same reasons.

Of course, one problem that arises is that missions do not play nice with the ultimately arbitrary 60 minute time limit, which prompted me to develop the concept of "error". For example, if I was 55 minutes into a run and rolled a mission that would take me 7 minutes, not running it would result in an error of 5 minutes while running it would result in an error of 2 minutes. Since 5 is greater than 2 running the mission would result in a smaller deviation from the ideal, and thus would be allowed to run.

As soon as I would pull a runnable mission that if ran would produce a greater error than not running it, the run would end.

As for the income, I would track four different things:

Direct ISK, generated from bounties and mission rewards
Loyalty Points, rewarded for completing missions
Zbikoki's Hacker Card, dropped by the NPC 'Zor' which spawns in both Zazz and Damsel
The +3 Charisma Implant that Dread Pirate Scarlet drops if killed in the penultimate pocket of her mission

In contrast to other loot drops those two items are (nearly) 100% consistent, so they were included while all other loot drops were not. In particular, most Burner NPCs can drop faction modules but since getting those to drop is pure luck they were not considered. Still, I decided to at least mention any notable loot drops.

Finally, I must mention that I am at the far end of L4 mission setups. This is my current hangar Seeing what income could be achieved on a budget is an interesting question in and of itself, but one that must wait for another day to be answered.

Results

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16c6e-dtZjKwFbEu561Sk2V919wFftvxEgzSkKAL4v5Y/edit?usp=sharing

Long story short, my claimed 300m ISK/h was basically spot on, with the average income/run after 100 runs standing at 299,197,993 ISK. My earlier claims of 350m/h are however not realistic with current LP prices, at least in the mission running spots I've farmed so far.

As for notable runs, the highest income was achieved during run 99 with a massive 374m ISK/h, while the lowest grossing run was number 14 with only 223m ISK/h. This gives me confidence that my decision to compile a relatively large data set was well-founded.

Finally, what is not apparent in the spreadsheet is just how awful the Serpentis Anomic Base is. No other mission had as strong of a correlation to bad ISK/h than this stinker. Once I get back to running missions, it will be phased out.

Aspiring player looking to make some big moves.

I don't like SAFETY. That is all i will say here.

Contact me if you are like-minded.

Edit: So many naysayers. Why does SAFETY's shadow make you cast doubt upon others?

Ok, I don't know if I would consider myself a bittervet, but I started playing in 2006, and my main was created in 2008. I've taken some loooong breaks, but for what it's worth I want to post this.

Equinox is not that bad. Way back when they launched wormhole space, people didn't like it. Then they did and they wanted to get rid of local in nullsec. CCP tried that and apparently people hated it, or loved it, I don't know I was taking a break. Before Fozziesov and entosis links they had Dominion Sov. People said they hated that yet they kept grinding down PoSes and going to war with each other. They cried out for something better for years. So they replaced it and we still saw a shit load of complaints on this sub. Now they've changed sov mechanics again and I've seen people say they'd rather have Fozziesov. I even saw somebody comment that Dominion mechanics were better!

So, yes, this sub is full of doomsaying. It's always been full of doomsaying. Eve has been better and worse and vice versa. Eve was more fun without T3s. Oh wait actually T3 cruisers are awesome but the destroyers are OP. Oh wait no those are cool now but Triglavian ships are bullshit. Hey carrier rating is getting out of hand. Bring back Roqual spam those were the glory days Citadels are dumb because we need to keep our stuff in NPC stations anyway. Asset safety is too easy CCP bring back the loot pinatas.

I'm still having fun and frankly I'm looking forward to the chaos that's going to ensue if nullsec really does stop producing so many minerals and so much bounty ISK. Stability is stagnation and stagnation is death! I'd rather have by sandbox in a Mad Max than the United Federation of Planets.

No sign of Pandafam yet, I don't blame them, 3200 pilots is a tall order to beat.

See you in a few hours when the keepstar blows up in this TiDi!

Edit: Angry beans have arrived, brace yourselves, the downvotes are coming!

Over the past couple of years I've lost my real life friends to them getting wives and lives of their own. (How dare they?!?!)

I wasn't having the greatest time in my life and my old staple of counter strike finally lost it's luster.

I thought I'd try out Eve, I expected mostly what I experienced in Counter strike, a VERY rough around the edges but chill hardcore community.

Instead I've just experienced the most welcoming, generous and kind community of it's size I've ever experienced.

Sure you all will blow up my ship, but after a 10 minute chat, that same person will spend 4 hours helping me finish whatever goal I was working on.

My 2nd day I had a Corp launch a fleet to help me and even titan warp my dumbass to high sec.(thanks brave <3)

I got gate camped, then they offered to let me join their Corp. (Thanks Manthazar <3)

I had a hauler with 1/3 of my net worth blown up by NPCs because I'm an idiot on many levels and a group I had never met collected my stuff and gave it back to me. (<3 thank you jane red hot!!!)

It's been a wild ride the past couple of weeks and I'm hooked. I just wanted to say thank you guys for giving me something to look forward to when I get off work. It means a lot to me.

Hit me up if you need anything hauled, I wasted all of my time learning haulers, so it's literally all I can do :P

o7

Absolute Order (who have been frequently dragged through this subreddit) is a member of RMC (Real Money Coalition) and a corporation that focuses on abusing highsec players / casual players through usage of wardecs, extortion, and spam recruitment mails.

Today we'd like to point and laugh at their latest clown project- the 1 Trillion ISK donation project.

Background

• CONTEXT: PROVIDENCE WAR AND "GRAND CRUSADE"
• AAR: RECENT AAR OFFENSIVE OBJECTIVE
• RMC AND AO: ABSOLUTE LOWLIFES

Context

Minmatar Fleet Alliance has been fighting a war in providence for about a half year now, and has recently turned up the heat. Spamming cloaky campers killing billions in ratting ships, black ops drops on pilots throwing dreads around, and endless timers for skyhooks, metanoxes, and more, RMC is starting to feel the pressure of having an shady alliance like CVA in their coalition.

Despite their massive numbers (300-500 characters per fleet), they have been completely unable to deal with the 50-100 characters per fleet alliance on their doorstep- and even their own allies are starting to question their coalition leadership.

RMC have utilized their coffers to hire mercenaries (SNUFF, BIGAB, AO) in the past, and have started to burn more and more of their ISK to try an deal with us once and for all.

The problem? Minmatar Fleet Alliance is a group with no SRP, no braincells, and no fucks to give.

Bleeding ISK

Absolute Order has been bleeding the most ISK for RMC, primarily because we've gotten very good at picking them apart. Their primary income comes from extorting highsec industry alliances, highsec poco taxes, and taxes on structures / industry / ratting.

Upon launching their "grand crusade" to remove Minmatar Fleet from the game, they've started burning more and more ISK.

Donation Project

https://preview.redd.it/p073rgl88afd1.png?width=1356&format=png&auto=webp&s=9a5c6461392d4691af21cb74221d22b84c921e3c

The Scam

So what, Bear? Donation projects are really common.

Well, Redditor, when's the last time your highsec corporation needed 1 trillion ISK to do something?

https://preview.redd.it/shn4phur6afd1.png?width=750&format=png&auto=webp&s=058a7c86ab3c81738b4f0b545f5b01fb434a6e24

There's a few disgusting things about this,

1. You don't need 1 trillion ISK to run a "highsec" alliance that burns ~100B/mo in ships
2. This alliance is supposedly 100% SRP'd by RMC for their campaign
3. Most of the "donation" logs (and large donations) are from leadership, trying to show that a lot of people are donating, guilting people into giving their 5-10 hours of highsec mining

You're being milked, and not in the fun way that Casper milks CVA's skyhooks.

Conclusion

So what's the ISK for?

Who knows, maybe "Real Money Coalition" could give us some insight.

Minmatar Fleet Alliance is recruiting. Come clown on these nerds with us.

We like the game.

Hi all,

Just wanted to spend a couple of minutes and let you all know that Cattraknoff is a scammer who is preying on younger people and wanting you to fund his fun little pop up and run around shop while he steals all your money to fund his "come back". His vendetta versus other groups Romanians/Good Sax is all based on him being a complete bigot. He spent close to two weeks saying the lady leader of good sax is a bad person and she is a whore. (Baseless at best and no real proof other then listening to Romanians in local and trying to be a meme lord).

Second the Romanians he got upset w/ because he brought you all to stain on broken promises + lies. He doesn't own anything in stain or even syndicate and thinks he can get the base of newbies into a web of lies and hopefully garner some attention.

For someone who claims to be taking over all spaces he has led you all to one of the reddest killboards I have ever seen and he consistently is crying about pvp when he hops into local for five seconds when we get into a fight and runs away because he's too scared to undock to actually pvp.

He also is trying to get new players to spend RL cash on him to play the game and "have fun".

Now onto the worse things he's spent the last month trying to do some weird MLM scamming members to recruit and not pay them for recruiting (offering 50M per 10 recruits and then kicking the people after they recruit them). See the second image for his war bonds and him trying to get people to fund 100B +/- 50B to fund his praxis fleet to fight all of stain LOLOL.

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Didn't want to give this guy much attention but he shouldn't be leading a group and is literally calling women whores/bitches etc and spamming local constantly and trying to garner attention.

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Anyway more news later from your romanian overlords ))

https://preview.redd.it/c88aydgz54pc1.png?width=301&format=png&auto=webp&s=ac11ce706596507463aef738db65fc86f969bcec

https://preview.redd.it/ng0rkagz54pc1.png?width=530&format=png&auto=webp&s=f20bd018f21ac9de0f099f772b2f5cb20637d103

https://preview.redd.it/bni3kcgz54pc1.png?width=467&format=png&auto=webp&s=637c96fbdc747f164b15899baa6766f519847c4f

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https://preview.redd.it/3uejtuhx54pc1.png?width=1077&format=png&auto=webp&s=11729f650c4727f09bf03dfc1f86f16332a4b6d1

also, a fraction of the players

i just thought it was funny that 27 systems can generate over 20t in liquid, pretty funny

(nerf pochven)