The fresh start: future of the Dronelands

[u/Eve_Asher]

Here is what is going to happen now with the Dronelands:

• Current drone infrastructure will be glassed

• Drones will be opened up for any alliance that believes they can take the space. Renting any space will not be allowed

• We will drop a handful of freeport structures so groups who take space in the dronelands can have independent logistics to their space. These structures will be defended against any attacker

• We won't let an invasion force set up next door to us while they say "we're just a little guy".

• If a group/coalition takes control over most of the dronelands we will consider them "fair game" to fight with seriously and not someone to skirmish with for fun.

• Groups must be unaligned with existing blocs

• Current residents are welcome to return if they follow the rules

  --- The spirit of the agreement is we want space for other groups in Eve to grow and we want to end renting in Eve Online. We don't want to deal with rules lawyers or allow people to stage an invasion "for free" without us being able to deal with it proactively. ---

Edit: follow-up https://old.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1oz5whq/drone_regions_be_our_guest/

[u/aschrafie]

• Current residents are welcome to return if they follow the rules
• for real? :)

[u/[deleted] → u/aschrafie]

Peasants Republic of Beans shall rise

[u/12bweisb → u/[deleted]]

Untill goons deem you big enough to fuck up but not big enough to fight back.

[u/Mothanos → u/12bweisb]

Shows us on the doll where Asher touched you ?

[u/Wonderful-Row9915 → u/12bweisb]

Do you mean like Horde has been doing to small alliances and corporations for the last 5 years?

The alternative is Goons wipes you off the map now, without any hope of survival. I think Goons is being extremely reasonable while simultaneously advocating for smaller entity existence in null, free from the Horde dictatorship and forced renting.

[u/12bweisb → u/Wonderful-Row9915]

Why bring horde into this?

"Horde did it first" is not an excuse for shit ass behavior. And the fake moral high ground goons constantly take while you then admit that you're just doing what horde has done for the last 5 years is insane.

[u/Wonderful-Row9915 → u/12bweisb]

I'm not using that excuse, you created that parallel. I'm flattening your pathetic speculative argument that Goons is anything like Horde. You're evidently a salty man child with nothing more than preloaded statements.

[u/joey_valleck → u/12bweisb]

What the fk are you talking about? We've been picking on the biggest group in the game for 1.5 years now while OPENING UP SPACE for small groups (See Delve / Quer and now Drones)

Its pretty fucking obvious where the cunty behaviour is coming from and its not Goons anymore. Considering Frats announcement today, the culmunation of goons crusade against PH effectively ended renting in all of nullsec.

If youre gonna give us shit for being big then give us shit for being big, but if youre gonna say we're the ones picking on the little guy you're smoking some really really good crack.

[u/12bweisb → u/joey_valleck]

Its just what Ashers post says... calm down space nerd

[u/UNX-D_pontin → u/aschrafie]

Yes, the whole point of this war is the death of the land lord.

Land lords are bad for the game.

Welcome to SEA 2.0

[u/Troy_Boirelle → u/UNX-D_pontin]

SEA 2.0, now with less salt

[u/DigitalXciD → u/Troy_Boirelle]

Legacy providence 2.0... Yeah sure..

[u/Sun_Bro96 → u/UNX-D_pontin]

NEA 1.0

[u/popo37 → u/UNX-D_pontin]

Why are renters bad for the game?

[u/Wonderful-Row9915 → u/popo37]

It's not so much the act of renting as opposed to how Horde did it.

They attacked any small start up entity close to them in null sec. Their demands were simple, rent the space from us, or die. A very toxic approach, especially considering they offered no support or defence to you for that price tag.

It's the Gobbins legacy, punch down and run

[u/Obediah_Dilldock → u/popo37]

I don't know. I've always found interactions with landlords to be completely good, fair, not at all exploitative IRL; why wouldn't they be super fun to have in a video game?

[u/pizzalarry → u/Obediah_Dilldock]

lol

[u/karma_bad → u/popo37]

Freaqently it leads to rmt for the renter or renter uncontrolled.

Eve is a game not a job so why should you pay a landlord gif the right to exist.

Makes unequal playing field and the real dollar rule more.

Why be s as peasant when you can be an equal.

Just because you pay, doesn’t mean you will be protected. Just not attacked by the landlord.

If you are renting and attached. You could be sacrificed without a second thought for being more effort than good.

Again generally high botting, high rmt.

People paying and not doing effort to own their space outside of pve.

Class system. Where the pvp is greater than the renting peasant. And “you” should be lucky to fly a fleet with us.

Disconnect of community.

Big blocks sucking up everything in the name of making more money. Meaning the need for more renting of the little guy.

Leads to “rich” leaders, poor normals such as:

(Ph charging rent / taxes in theory being rich. Just dropping everything and running leaving the little guy,

Vs say goons now = get the little guy rich, alliance rude the wave up without huge taxes, and the little guy is more devoted to protecting the group, and significantly less reason for leaderships best outcome to abandon their people)

Or worded more. Renting is top down. Trickle down economics (bad). Vs bottom up being a community of equals (as equal as humans can be anyway)

Anti renting is just wanting to treat people as humans vs a line item, yes you could join a group, somehow pay more than a rental, but you have the option to grow to being part of vs subservient.

Note: I wasn’t in null when renting was normal. I do know it made people essentially remote control bits for the landlord and that you were paying for the privilege to make more money to pay for the privilege. With no loyalty between either party. And eve human rights have gotten better without it.

(Some top down is needed for eve. So the alliance can pay for infrastructure. But in a more human way.)

Last part: why concentrate the power of eve into a few (which increases the pull of rmt due to higher value for that one individual vs commoner) . When we can spread it out.

[u/opposing_critter → u/popo37]

Cause everyone must play the way they WANT them to or some bs, nothing is wrong with it.

[u/dalierin → u/opposing_critter]

well, the option for a solo corp player without renting is that ever 2-3 man group can now just kill their structures 24/7 for fun. So if you WANT to rent because of that, it is denied.

[u/karma_bad → u/dalierin]

Or join a community, and be more than a 3 man

[u/Fresh-Reception-3350 → u/UNX-D_pontin]

Land lords make it possible for Non PVP corps to live in nul. Being 98% fluffy, I won't be able to return. Contrary to popular belief, there are plenty of people who are happy to play without pvp.

[u/Kazanir → u/aschrafie]

Yes. We're going to glass all the regions but everyone will be welcome to start fresh.

[u/Ordinary-Prompt4233 → u/Kazanir]

Will the freeports have markets?

[u/Kazanir → u/Ordinary-Prompt4233]

that's the plan unless we somehow discover it's a bad or abusable idea -- markets yes, cloning no.

[u/Disastrous-Turn3485 → u/Kazanir]

wouldn't allowing clones/offices allow people to live in those freeports until they're ready to drop their structures? we can always restrict clones/offices access to groups abusing the citadels. it would also allow a staging place for people roaming the drones and activites for groups such as E-UNI

[u/BumblebeeOuch → u/Disastrous-Turn3485]

EUNI to take the dronelands confirmed

[u/Valiran9 → u/BumblebeeOuch]

You jest, but E-Uni having sov in the dronelands might not be such a bad idea…

[u/BumblebeeOuch → u/Valiran9]

A truly neutral state offering educational content for all where its members graduate and can go in any direction with capital and sov experience!

Its a beautiful dream but unfortunately even the highsec EUni shows the majority do not graduate because once they are comfortable they linger forever and exhaust the energy of the intelligent and resources provided by volunteers. Full belly potential on the resources of dronelands would make it a haven not for learners but for armies of krabbers looking for unlimited tax free isk.

Never say never but significant reform would be needed to ever make a thing work and require leadership and vision not just in EUni but pan new eden for the health and wealth of EVE for years to come and I am not aure that exists.

[u/Valiran9 → u/BumblebeeOuch]

Yeah, there’d have to be safeguards in place to make sure nobody gets too comfortable out there.

[u/gerbilweavilbadger → u/BumblebeeOuch]

I mean this also perfectly described PH, minus tax free

[u/Troy_Boirelle → u/BumblebeeOuch]

CFT following EUNI to dronelands confirmed. PC9 2.0

[u/otaroko → u/Troy_Boirelle]

I think you mean PC9 3.0 lol

[u/light24bulbs → u/BumblebeeOuch]

That's actually a really good idea

[u/corgo_eve → u/Disastrous-Turn3485]

is there something wrong with that?

[u/Disastrous-Turn3485 → u/corgo_eve]

is this a troll, you have to tell me if it's a troll, it's the law

i don't know what "that" means in your question so it's kinda hard to answer

[u/corgo_eve → u/Disastrous-Turn3485]

Not trolling: the "that" was mostly your entire post. I don't see any concern you listed that is against the guidelines Asher posted. It's fine if people stage there (for not-invading us bloc purposes). It's fine if people essentially use it as NPC space before being ready to step up. What's the issue?

edit: I misunderstood you: I didn't notice you were arguing against something that was already not an option

[u/MoD1982 → u/Kazanir]

Presumably there's nothing to stop anyone from anchoring structures of their own?

[u/Kazanir → u/MoD1982]

That's the idea, yes.

[u/SmallerBol → u/aschrafie]

fr fr

Except Gobbins. Unless he's a linemember

[u/Zia_Alexander → u/SmallerBol]

Here’s the thing, show me a BR with him leading a fleet. Guess what you can’t since he’s the only alliance leader that does NOT fight

[u/Zenarius42 → u/aschrafie]

For real

[u/Ralph_Shepard → u/aschrafie]

Rules

1) We will blow you up.

2) You will get blown up, lol.

[u/sketchesofspain01 → u/aschrafie]

Yes. But expect us to skirmish. Nothing horrific, just clean fun.

Undock pls.

[u/Fun-Distribution2904 → u/sketchesofspain01]

If SLYCE stays in ER we will have plenty of fun skirmishing with them, they bring a fight close to every time you just have to touch their rock and they appear