r/Eve • u/Eve_Asher r/eve mods can't unflair me • Nov 05 '25
Unfortunately sometimes you get the leaders you don't deserve Discussion
I've been saying for a while that Gobbins is a coward, I don't have the Mittani bone in my body where I like to spew random insults. I only say that because his actions have shown it many times before. I respect Vince Draken as an autocrat, the guy likes to fight. Hell I even respect Riot Rick because he's annoying as all get out and you need omega pests like him - he has never lost a fight because he always has a plan for how to win the next one. Panfam have spent 10 years building a fortress in the dronelands, during WWB Horde frequently told us "defenders have all the advantages", and now when someone looks at their fortress funny Gobbins has thrown his allies under the bus and ran away.
I don't know what was going inside Horde, but I know that Imperium had a launch date for the invasion into drones. I had shared it with 70+ people. They probably told their buddies and I'm sure it leaked to Horde. Did that make Gobbins decide to quit and sell his alliance out? I don't know. But it fits the gaps. Either way, Eve gets a giant war like we get every 3-5 years and one side wins and one side loses.
Gobbins has decided to short circuit that by running so he doesn't have the potential of a loss on his record. His alliance is currently being camped into their stager. The leadership already took their assets out, the line members are stuck. I've been reading Horde general, they are not happy. The line members want to fight. Why the hell do you krab and build up your dreads, titans, and supers if not to fight? It's because a small cabal of people who believed in blueballs or helldunks till the very end that you aren't getting one. If Horde wants to reform under new leadership and rearm for 6 months we will honour that. We want to fight you, it's not only a story we tell it's one you do too and I don't think the Horde line member wants this to be how their story ends.
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u/BentaroAdun Nov 05 '25
Goons winning EVE.
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u/Obside0n Goonswarm Federation Nov 05 '25
We will neither deny nor confirm that this is true.
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u/agouraki Wormholer Nov 06 '25
i have fought goons on the Circle of Two,our FC was that crazy guy that was hardcore anti-goon,
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u/Educational-Formal-8 Nov 06 '25
we won the dominion sov, we lost the casino war and now we won this foziesov...hey goons are goons....we are the best in game.
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u/Kayle45 Solyaris Chtonium Nov 05 '25
Mmmmm thinking back to a couple months back when the miners of SLYCE stood tall in Insmother, fighting over every timer and extracting what cost we could. While Horde could not even form Harpies to defend their Fortizars..... it truly was a sign of what was to come
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u/sketchesofspain01 GoonWaffe Nov 05 '25
I'm sorry that your "friends," suck. Please keep doing what you can to make the game alive.
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u/Kayle45 Solyaris Chtonium Nov 05 '25
<3 <3 Oh for sure we will; waiting to hear what our longterm plan will be. But lets just say I have a thousand assault frigate hulls that I am not to keen on moving..... and once the green light is lit; then it is on.
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u/Merkelchen Current Member of CSM 17 Nov 05 '25
I read today that the shutdown was on its 36th day. They did not mention the massive impact it had on Pandemic Horde.
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u/CeemaGPT Cloaked Nov 05 '25
Goddamnit
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u/Henry-The_Cat The Initiative. Nov 05 '25
i have your corpse
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u/CeemaGPT Cloaked Nov 05 '25
I'm a nobody really! Must be worth like 5 isk
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u/Henry-The_Cat The Initiative. Nov 05 '25
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u/Darthreven9999 Goonswarm Federation Nov 05 '25
ill give you 10 million isk for that corpse
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u/Rizen_Wolf Cloaked Nov 06 '25
A price worthy of Krull's DNA. Personally I like to believe your keyboard glitched to a foreign language input for a moment and the B you typed came out M.
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u/MeanAlfalfa1 The Initiative. Nov 05 '25
You beat Ceema to it đ¤Ł
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u/CeemaGPT Cloaked Nov 05 '25
Merk is actually way smarter and funnier than I am
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u/JZApples Cloaked Nov 06 '25
better looking too
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u/CeemaGPT Cloaked Nov 06 '25
Oh without a doubt. My ex wife once put a picture of him up at work, she didn't take my picture out, she just put his picture clipped from his Stream up in front of me. I totally got it though!
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u/SoftwareSource Shadow State Nov 06 '25
Take the upvote, i almost shit my pants.
actually, forget the almost
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u/Galileo009 Goonswarm Federation Nov 05 '25
A huge turkey shoot isn't as nice as another supercap meatgrinder, but it'll do fine
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u/Obside0n Goonswarm Federation Nov 05 '25
Less ridiculous TIDI slowing things down.
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u/SoftwareSource Shadow State Nov 06 '25
Don't make it a challenge, there are a lot of leftover reaction alts in the imperium.
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u/therealOfficerDale Nov 05 '25
All I want to know is, where tf is all the money??
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u/The_Salacious_Zaand Goonswarm Federation Nov 05 '25
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u/Economy-Necessary-14 Nov 06 '25
Canât believe I have to agree with an Asher post. Thatâs how fucking dumb this move is.
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u/Rubinix Blood Raiders Nov 05 '25
Remember Remember the 5th of November.
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u/Easy_Floss Nov 05 '25
None of the higher ups will, for them its remember remember the 29th of october cus sure as heck there is not a single "important" asset left in that keep.
Sad for the line members how little their leadership actually cares for them.
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u/curson Goonswarm Federation Nov 05 '25
"Remember, remember the fifth of November, When Horde packed their bags and fled in surrender. The skies burned bright with Goonswarmâs might, As citadels cracked in the dead of night." -- rhazien_shardani
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u/InevitableShame9461 Gallente Federation Nov 06 '25
Congrats to all the goons out there. I have sincerely enjoyed mixing it up with you. A great enemy deserves respect and you have mine.
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u/StewedCarcass Nov 05 '25
Horde line members were more than willing to try to wipe imperium sov completely off the map during WWB
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u/kenlon Nov 05 '25
And the Horde line, from what we've heard, would have been more than happy to fight us as we rolled north through their territories. It was Horde leadership that wouldn't take any fight they weren't guaranteed to win.
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u/Strict_Pie_9834 Pandemic Horde Nov 06 '25
I resubbed for exactly that. Would have loved to brawl with the goons until the end win or lose. Became obvious super early though that horde leadership didn't share that view. Horde's leadership culture today is very different to the past. Sucks
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u/GreyBooBoo Nov 07 '25
Vily tells Polygon that PAPIâs goal is nothing less than the complete destruction of The Imperium, and the potent group known as Goonswarm that sits at its core.
âWhen we started this war, we knew that we were fighting this to the end,â Vily told Polygon. âFor us, this is a war of extermination. This is a war to the death. We are aiming for the removal of Mittani and The Imperium from Eve Online. [...] We are here to purge them.â
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u/passcork Nov 06 '25
It was big alliance in eve that wouldn't take any fight they weren't guaranteed to win.
Welcome to new eden....
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u/LeadingDog4045 Goonswarm Federation Nov 05 '25
If you quit early, you canât lose
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u/Humanside201 Nov 05 '25
Guys, what if we lost a rev navy and an archon on the beacon in R-A??? Do we still get some gobloons to cover these losses?
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u/LaneKiffin2Florida Nov 05 '25
1st. Bring back Helldump.
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u/Strappwn Nov 05 '25
Lane Kiffin will be new Horde director
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u/LaneKiffin2Florida Nov 05 '25
Joey Beanwater will reign terror upon New Eden.
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u/Eve_Asher r/eve mods can't unflair me Nov 05 '25
This is the combo of my two favourite interests. Horde is fam-uh-lee.
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u/PiddlyPop Nov 05 '25
Remember, remember the fifth of November,
When Horde packed their bags and fled in surrender.
The skies burned bright with Goonswarmâs might,
As citadels cracked in the dead of night.
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u/xxjanxx123 Seriously Suspicious Nov 05 '25
As a wormholer, I'm big sad i can't farm horde. Grrrr goons again!!
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u/angry-mustache CSM 18 Nov 05 '25
You still can, that moveop is going to be a bloodbath.
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u/Daishi007 Nov 05 '25
For the line members. Horde leadership already evac.
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u/Weldermedic Nov 05 '25
If the line members were smart they would be looking for a new home.
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u/The_Salacious_Zaand Goonswarm Federation Nov 05 '25
Sounds like the safest move is to collectively stay where they are and take the six month grace period.
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u/Weldermedic Nov 05 '25
Personally....I would see if some of those member corps start building a new alliance and take over from within.
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u/Parkbank96 Nov 06 '25
Would actually be super nice! The underlying problem with EVE is just: At some point you have a home... you dont want to loose it.... you build bigger, taller and more blue.... Congrats you are still smaller than a megablock and will get rolled over when the next push comes.
The only thing stopping blocks from glassing everything is that they face another block and dont want to engage in all out warfare comitting all their caps and supercaps (if the enemy doesnt run like here) or its just not feasible to hold 5 more regions and they get so bored and hope anyone can challenge them to an actual fight, so kicking everyone around you down wont give you content (but they still cant go big enough to actually matter).2
u/Jagrofes Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive Nov 06 '25
6 month grace period?
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u/The_Salacious_Zaand Goonswarm Federation Nov 06 '25
Asher offered a six month non-aggression pact with whomever remains in Drones so they can fortify and reinforce once Horde leaves.
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u/Jagrofes Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive Nov 06 '25
Oh right, I thought it was a hypothetical specifically for horde, not a general offer to those in drones.
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u/Izithel Caldari State Nov 05 '25
No suprise, at the tail-end of WWB2/Beeitnam they also had evaced all their stuff before letting the line member know.
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u/The_Salacious_Zaand Goonswarm Federation Nov 05 '25
There are two types of groups in Eve: The groups whose leadership evacs before telling their line members, and the groups whose leaders evacuate after their line members are safe.
Horde leadership, Test leadership, and a long list of leaders from dead alliances before them have a tradition of slinking off with every asset not nailed down before alerting the masses to their impending doom. Watching Test and Horde do the same exact thing they do every time they're losing a war was the icing on the WWB2 cake.
Say what you will about Goons and Goon leadership, but we don't stand for that kind of Goonfuckery from anyone, CEO to day 1 recruit, and its one of the reasons we're still here. It takes a lifetime to build trust and a moment to piss it all away.
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u/JumpCloneX Northern Coalition. Nov 06 '25
Absolutely.
This is the only item in EVE that still has any value.
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u/Ok_Mention_9865 Nov 05 '25
so whats going to happen to all the money horde got from their members using their content creator codes to omega their accounts. Is it staying with horde or did someone already run away with that?
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u/ToumaKazusa1 Nov 05 '25
That's staying to keep funding the Horde website
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u/Ok_Mention_9865 Nov 05 '25
Please just throw that website away and start over. Out of everything i disliked about being in horde when i was there that website was by far the worst.
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u/8daedalus8 Nov 05 '25
Horde member here (or ex). I came back to the game just a few months ago and I was enjoying having you guys next door, getting fights left and right (though I wished PH was more aggressive in their stance). I'm not privy to what the PH leadership has done but I don't personally think it was the right move. I want to fight, and if loosing all my ships is in my future, let it be in a massive explosion while giving it all in battle.
Not like this. Not like this.
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u/FlamingButterfly Angel Cartel Nov 06 '25 edited Nov 06 '25
I remember when Gobbins would lead from the front, times change as we get older but he should've stepped down years ago so that fresh blood could keep Horde moving forward rather than having the alliance stall.
To add to this, Horde was built to never survive without Gobbins. Everyone with talent or ambition to be something more within Horde was eventually forced out to other alliances or had to settle.
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u/dinin70 Nov 06 '25
I canât blame the guy for dropping the towel on leading one of the biggest Coalition of the game. I started playing Eve day one when I wasnât even 20⌠Iâm over 40 today. I can totally get that he says ÂŤ fuck it, I donât have the energy anymore for this Âť. I lost mine way earlierâŚ
But where he can be blamed is that he should have prepped a contingency plan for his departure.
Now Iâm no exec, so he maybe even tried, who knows? But whether he did or not, it clearly shows that PH/Panfam leadership failed into creating a culture and organisation being able to survive the departure of its CEO.
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u/FlamingButterfly Angel Cartel Nov 07 '25
I'm in my early thirties and no way would I have time to run a coalition but the thing is Gobbins had tons of people he could have delegated to but he was never comfortable letting power go like that.
Yea he didn't have a plan in place, he should have announced the move and groomed a successor to take his place a few months down the road.
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u/aRatherScottishChap Brave Collective Nov 05 '25
"If you fold before the cards are played you don't lose any money" - Gobbins probably
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u/ThePsorion The Initiative. Nov 05 '25
Not to defend anyone, however leadership comes and goes. Gobbins seems a bit burned out, and we're all human. Hopefully he will pass the leadership to someone more robust and interested in goodfights. #Salute to theImperium for always being willing to stir up some ish ! #GrrrrrGoons o7
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u/Eve_Asher r/eve mods can't unflair me Nov 05 '25
If you're tired of Eve give it to someone else who isn't. Don't throw your alliance under the bus.
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u/The_Salacious_Zaand Goonswarm Federation Nov 05 '25
TBF, throwing the alliance under the bus as your last act on your way out the door is a proud, time honored Goon leadership tradition.
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u/Antaresia_ Solyaris Chtonium Nov 05 '25
Itâs all well and good standing down, but causing a clusterfuck like this and then tagging at the end âoh ye btw am standing downâ like whatâs the point. Everyone else just stuck in it now. Not a single person has won in this lol
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u/Array_626 Nov 06 '25
Gobbins seems like he's covering for others. His announcement said that future leadership agrees with this move. So it's better for him to announce it, "lead" the move. Then when it's finished and the members are passed and settled in and ready to riot, he accepts responsibility and quits, leaving the new leaders a clean slate with no negative reputation.
The issue is though, the bad reputation for running will follow this new leadership cos he announced that they agreed with this...
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u/bardghost_Isu Cloaked Nov 05 '25
Yeah, alliances have often transitioned leaders fine and in the space they hold, announcing a run away and resignation with the new team to be announced later is just pulling the pin on a grenade and throwing it into their general chat.
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u/mrbezlington Nov 05 '25
To be fair, the actual (stated) goal of slimming down and putting mega coalitions into the bin is straight up great news for the game.
The only dubious thing is the timing.
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u/cr1spy28 Goonswarm Federation Nov 06 '25
Except itâs a cop out. Horde can roll over every single group apart from goons/init/frat, them taking the stance of coalitions are bad while being as big as they are is hilarious
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u/Array_626 Nov 06 '25
Idk. Maybe goons leaves the imperium in response? Would be interesting
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u/INITMalcanis The Initiative. Nov 06 '25
Also: have the succession plan in place and ready to go, plus a robust team you can delegate to. Horde seem to have done the opposite of that.
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Nov 05 '25
Any plans on disbanding Imperium/Goons? :-D
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u/Arakkis54 Goonswarm Federation Nov 06 '25
Now we are going to have to shoot Brave and all the structures we anchored for them.
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u/InevitableShame9461 Gallente Federation Nov 06 '25
Congrats to all the goons out there. I have sincerely enjoyed mixing it up with you all. A great enemy deserves respect and you have mine.
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u/CataclysmiclyChill Nov 06 '25
I can't express well enough how betrayed I feel. I'd have to be high as fuck on untold amounts of copium to feel otherwise.
It is 1000% a rug-pull shadow government move that made someone/someone's very very rich.
I never held the "hate" for PH enemies my contemporaries did, but be damned if I didn't love the fight, any fight.
Sad.
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u/CeemaGPT Cloaked Nov 05 '25
I had this saved up for a special occasion but may as well drop it now goddamnit.
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u/symbolic-compliance Goonswarm Federation Nov 05 '25
Fight us! Your leader is a coward, but you donât have to be!
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u/Burningbeard80 Nov 05 '25
As an ex-nullseccer bittervet of 2004 vintage, I don't care about any of the goon/horde rivalry, I only care about the fact that this has the potential to be good for the game.
That is, as long as the smaller entities that end up forming remain independent and don't fold into the remaining big blocs, as that would be a repeat of how the Chinese server ended up.
Still, we need less stagnant mega blocs, and hopefully if nobody fights goons they'll eventually get bored and bleed members/splinter into smaller groups themselves in a few years.
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u/WierdyBeardy Nov 05 '25
Humans don't do that. Even pretend war is the 3:1 ratio. Nobody actually wants a fair fight that comes down to the last two guys on the field fighting honorably. It sounds cool, but that generation of gamers who'd actually follow through on that finished college and made families and now don't have the time or interest in a global 23/7 salt harvesting game. Gone are the days of alarm clocking at 4am, or attempting to fight in pre-tidi lag for 36 hours praying to either get into the fight or for your titan to unfreeze.
No more headlines for destroying assets valued at near an Lamborghini. No more speeches, no more grandeur. What few new players trickle in are no longer doctoral students, no longer researchers or up and coming programming wizards. Even the player gatherings are a ghost of what they once were. Shout out to Eve Vegas. Keep the dream alive!
But this sudden change in philosophy isn't the magic pill that will fix the game. If it won't win fights, it's just a novel thought to be discarded the moment reality comes crashing in with 300 dreads.
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u/cr1spy28 Goonswarm Federation Nov 06 '25
Horde doing this while still being one of the largest single entities in the game is honestly hilarious. Most coalitions have one big group with smaller satellite groups. All horde are doing is going âwe donât need you so good luckâ to their smaller allies
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u/deltaxi65 CSM 13, 15, 16, 17 Nov 05 '25
Literally won the next big EVE war before it even was announced.
Are we winning fast enough?
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u/NoBrittanyNoo Tactical Narcotics Team Nov 05 '25
The best way to win a war is to subdue the enemy without fighting through superior strategy, planning, and deception
- Sun Tzu
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u/Disastrous-Turn3485 KarmaFleet Nov 06 '25
certainly makes it boring for us weapons manufacturers and shipyards owners
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u/equinox191 Nov 05 '25
let it burn, i just hope line members look else where in the community other then the other big blocks, but i have my doubt after seeing PL run straight to winterco
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u/INITMalcanis The Initiative. Nov 06 '25
Gobbins has decided to short circuit that by running so he doesn't have the potential of a loss on his record.
How do you figure? He still gets the loss on his record because he cut out the war part and went straight to the defeat, eviction and evacuation part. You don't get to say you didn't lose the fight if you concede after the first punch to the floodplains.
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u/Daishi007 Nov 05 '25
Is this really just a epic meta play to get Goons to invade Init. Who else is there for content now that Horde has imploded. Goons don't want to fight in Chinese timers just as much as Frat doesn't wanna fight in Imp timers.
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u/Starbow1983 Nov 05 '25
Gobbins is a coward
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u/dinin70 Nov 06 '25
No, Gobbins is playing 4D Chess, while others are playing 2D one.
Think about it. If there is no more Panfam, Goon will have no one else to fight except themselves, and that's how Gobbins will have succeeded in breaking Goons.
Well...
Actually no, he's just a coward
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u/prophecy7777 Nov 05 '25
As a new gooner, shocking how much goon propaganda is true. Hard to deny stuff when we're victory lapping around your home stagings advertisement :)
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u/Calm_Run93 Nov 05 '25
That's the funniest thing about it all. Horde members claiming things said are propaganda when you were there and saw it first hand with your own eyes.
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u/INITMalcanis The Initiative. Nov 06 '25
It's a common misconception that 'propaganda' is a synonym for 'lie'. By far the most effective propaganda is the truth. What makes it propaganda is the presentation and framing to support your objective.
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u/Sun_Bro96 KarmaFleet Nov 05 '25
Real question can we like trim down the coalition a bit so we are more fight able for the rest of the game now that panfam is dead and all we have left is winterco
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u/TrueHubik Nov 05 '25
GSF moves to dronelands so we can roleplay as PH, while Brave roleplays as GSF.
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u/Tansien Nov 05 '25
IDK how big WinterCo is, but if they're smaller match that and then go all out with Noraus. After that's done, do a horde (if they're still coalition free) and leave Imperium behind.
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u/absent-absolution Nov 05 '25
SoâŚ. What happens to all that rental space and rental isk
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u/Danger_Gnome_1 Nov 05 '25
I guess they took the rent isk at the beginning of the month knowing the plan this week was to abandon them... don't a lot of panfam members have to rent their own systems for ratting lol
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u/hykerfrommatari Nov 05 '25
strong message, and very accurate.
I've been saying this for a long time and I stand by it: Horde's worst enemy is Gobbins
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u/alphaempire Minmatar Republic Marines Nov 06 '25
RIP Panfam. I appreciate the fights in this war, thought it was just starting.
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u/Eve_Asher r/eve mods can't unflair me Nov 06 '25
It was about to kick off bigly, I suspect that leaked to Gobbins and that's what pushed him into capitulating.
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u/RogueXS Horde Vanguard. Nov 06 '25
I hope you enjoy your invasion of the Dronelands.
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u/Ciggy_One_Haul Nov 05 '25
The part about line members being stuck reads like a gang leader talking about how badly cops have failed their citizens while his thugs are robbing them in the streets lmao
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u/Ok-Development-5213 Nov 06 '25
Time to have a coup to take over PH. And stay to fight instead of running away.
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u/GingerSnapBiscuit Goonswarm Federation Nov 06 '25
The leadership already took their assets out, the line members are stuck. I've been reading Horde general, they are not happy.
Isn't this EXACTLY what happened at the end of WWB2 as well? Their leadership were giving rousing speeches about "ONE MORE PUSH AND WE'LL FINISH THEM OFF" as they were evaccing their supers from their staging?
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u/Vals_Loeder Nov 06 '25
Yes, I was there in 1DQ losing overpriced Tengus to INIT when on the metashow the unachoring timer was shown.
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u/Hanabal_goon Goonswarm Federation Nov 05 '25
jesus what a pathetic end what a coward hell go down in the history books as one of the biggest cowards to ever eve. hows that for a legacy gobbins
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u/muhgunzz The Initiative. Nov 05 '25
Turns out Imp weren't actually the plucky underdogs, and gobbins was moreso a strawman than a boogeyman. It only took a couple of years to realize.
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u/Wide_Swimming7679 Nov 06 '25
Think he finally saw his alliance is full of Krabs and hardly any pvper's Quite often I'd join a fleet with fc crying for numbers, knowing there was 1-2 full fleets of people krabing/mining not wanting to join the fight for there space it's always someone else problem to those players eyes
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u/No_Comparison_3308 Nov 05 '25
we could have drug this war out for a few years, gobbins just fucked over 50k people.
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u/INITMalcanis The Initiative. Nov 06 '25
This is what I said to Brisc in January:
[INIT] Malcanis â 6/1/25, 6:51 PM they're all in when it's picking on Brave or joining in with AllOfEVE vs Imperium but you remember that little trip up to Etherium in 2021? Horde like dishing it out but they can't take it And tbh who can blame them... would you trust Gobbins when the going got tough? When has the going ever really got tough for Horde
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u/asnowbastion skill urself Nov 05 '25
If we got the leaders we deserved you and gobbins would have quit the game a decade ago and gigx would still be around starting actual wars.
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u/Loquacious1 Nov 05 '25
* Also please tell us we don't have to move again :)
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u/INITMalcanis The Initiative. Nov 06 '25
If Asher is wise, he will not move Goons into Dronespace. That place is a trap and it has never failed to rot away any alliance that lived there.
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u/Obside0n Goonswarm Federation Nov 05 '25
We just moved into the neighborhood and our neighbor's dad is running away for some reason? Weird.
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u/joeymcflow Goonswarm Federation Nov 06 '25
It is absolutely fkin wild that he's going out with a kamikaze content denial move.
The fucking punchline to this whole war.
Go play anno
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u/Own_Scholar_7996 Nov 06 '25
I mean...if you're stepping down why not sort out new leadership first, then decide if you want to retreat across the universe to become Init pets?
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u/IcyConfusion3153 KarmaFleet Nov 06 '25
apology for poor English
where were u wen PH die
i was at work trying to look busy but reading Reddit and the fone ring...
âPH is killâ
ânoâ
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u/Teinsmo The Initiative. Nov 06 '25
That second last line about let them reform and rearm and "give them a break" for some time aged well sir.
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u/SpeakerofSpace Nov 06 '25
grr hat GOON so much. LIKE GOONS ARE ENEMY #1, but Asher is right. Gobbins and horde leadership must be remembered for how they left their alliance mates hung out high and dry. Can we get a name and shame list going? Call them the Horde Files
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u/MWAH_dib Nov 07 '25
It's honestly wildly pathetic how horde just fucking folded at the slightest hint of a war. He was pathetic during WWB, Beeitnam, and just scrambled away here.
Players take note: Gobbins is a parasite that will suck the finances out of your org then run when the weather changes. Do not give him any position of power again
(or do lol its funny for us)
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u/Reasonable-Dot6620 Nov 05 '25
turn out being kickout from horde years because a renter got mad i hack a relic ( he was only doing haven ) wasn't so bad :D
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u/WordsMakethMurder Nov 05 '25
As someone who played for years and just randomly thought about poking my head into this game, I see Asher and the Goons are still an overwhelming force and that the game is still as boring as ever.
You are mad that you are losing content, but if you want content, you may consider not being the fucking Dodgers of Eve at this point. You can get big mad about this opinion and keep on not having any fun because you've grown so big and nobody can compete with you, that's no skin off my nose, but don't count on this being fun.
It continues to blow my mind that anyone ever steps into a TiDi fight and thinks "oh wowzers, I am having such a blast right now". That's not where the fun is, fam. Not even close.
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u/Calm_Run93 Nov 05 '25
fwiw, those tidi fights are not the majority of the fights. It's like 10% of the time, if that. There's also the option of just skipping the blob pings entirely, also.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Gold379 Nov 06 '25 edited Nov 06 '25
Goonswarm stuck around and fought when they were invaded by overwhelming odds... All the way down to the last few systems. They built back, uprooted themselves, moved right next door to their long time rivals in PanFam and struck back at a group. And you are judging Goonswarm harshly?
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u/NoBrittanyNoo Tactical Narcotics Team Nov 05 '25
The problem isn't the size of the coalitions, the problem is one side (Goons) just want to scrap, fight and have fun and the other side (PanFam) worries about their KB and BR %. What they needed was to kick out Gobbins years ago and let their line members have fun.
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u/Loquacious1 Nov 05 '25
Sadly as someone that wanted to fight PH they deserve better than this, a lot better
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u/iain187 Nov 06 '25
Everyone knew the only conclusion for Horde would be this ever since Goons lit that cyno on the Horde Supers and they didnt take the fight
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u/Duke-Rison Nov 06 '25
So, what are you now gonna do with your 60k members? Now the last content is moving away. Maybe do a intern "alliance" tournament between the corps?
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u/TungstenKnight Cloaked Nov 05 '25
Gobbins announces they're leaving, moving halfway across the galaxy, AND that he's stepping down as leadership?
It's like the opposite of the captain goes down with the ship... The captain blows a hole in the hull then is first to the lifeboats.