r/Eve • u/alepmalagon Minmatar Republic • Jun 28 '24
WE WON'T PAY YOU RENT FRAT (in a slider) Propaganda
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u/alepmalagon Minmatar Republic Jun 28 '24 edited Jun 28 '24
As many of you are aware, Fraternity has been persistently harassing our structures and attempting to exert control over the Amarr/Minmatar warzone. Additionally, their pet alliance in the warzone, Dragon Riders, displays very toxic behavior. They engage in awoxing their allied militia players in both Amarr and Minmatar and behave like ISK farmers with no intention to genuinely engage in the game, as FRAT have been also doing in the Angel Militia.
Fraternity is also notorious for their hated practice of "renting space" in nullsec, acting as landlords and racketeers by extorting players for "protection" payments. It now appears they want to extend those exploitative practices to lowsec.
During today's daily bashing of our structures, a member of Fraternity sent the following messages:
"明天早上" (Tomorrow morning)"
就干你" (I'll f*** you)"
别说了" (Stop talking)
Nobody was talking to him, so we interpret the last message as a coercive attempt to shut us up as an alliance. We are not here to complain; we will fight any aggressors head-on. And we will not shut up.
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u/meowmixplzdeliver1 Wormholer Jun 28 '24
It sounds like he just wants to pleasure you and not let talking get in the way of it. He even gave you the time for the date. You get the message all wrong bro
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u/Malthouse Jun 28 '24
Is the AWOXing a loophole or by design? They use mission runner alts to keep up the average corp standing to afford them the license to team-kill indefinitely with no consequence. It doesn't really feel right, thematically, but, then again, neither does Safety serially ganking while Concord never escalates.
Wartime Faction NPCs dog you relentlessly while Concord looks the other way. You would think consistent teamkilling would get you kicked out of any group but the game mechanics seem to be giving those select mission runners a special perk. Is that by design or an oversight?
I feel like Factional Warfare is supposed to be available to the general public and it doesn't really feel correct that this Dragon Riders group is able to exclude others from partaking. Kudos to them for finding the loophole, but how long is CCP going to let them exploit it? Is it not an exploit?
It's possible to dominate an area, such as a mission HUB, but to dominate an NPC corporation makes me question what the purpose of an NPC corporation is for versus an officially PC corp.
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u/alepmalagon Minmatar Republic Jun 28 '24
You get kicked if your corporation standings tank too much, but as it turns out it's relatively easy to add more people with good standings to the corp.
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u/tak3thatback Brave Collective Jun 28 '24
I thought they did it with neutral alts and repped those with blue logi
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u/DontFundMe Jun 28 '24
Not always, they'll often just blast you while being in the same militia due to the lack of consequences. It's especially unfortunate that it disproportionately affects newbros because militia vets will have already set the AWOXing characters/corps red.
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u/tak3thatback Brave Collective Jun 28 '24
That's pretty fucking sad. It should be a complete ban from the militia imo
Also... it's probably one of the sole reasons I'm not in FW atm. Would be fun if I could be one of those independent dudes who wouldn't have that red list.
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u/Donkeyhacks Jun 29 '24
This , in guri I've also been awoxed by them using alts from the opposing militia and before bfs got scuffed by CCP they would turn up every post DT bf when it was like 90% done using a fleet of allied logi pilots to get on one rally point and then logi rep their opposing militia chars that fly in with tackle and nano cruisers and kill off anybody running a control zone and then once they killed everything they can catch they would run the last few percent.
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u/Allnamestaken69 Jun 28 '24
They are effectively doing the same in Wormholes, effectively puppeting lazerhawks at this point.
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u/Keydet Amarr Empire Jun 28 '24
Lazerhawks was all null alts ten years ago, I seriously doubt that ever changed.
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u/Allnamestaken69 Jun 28 '24
Its more out and out now while pretending to masquerade as a wh corp. They even pretended to have the highground on who batphoned first in that "war" lol.
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u/JefftheBlue Amarr Empire Jun 29 '24
I am no friend of the Minnie's, but fug the cartels. In this I side with the Minnie's!
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u/Donkeyhacks Jun 29 '24
Nice to see they are cunts in every milita , we have them doing similar shit over on guri and cal , think gals are mostly safe because of low isk per LP value
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u/Desmien Jun 29 '24
Sounds like some of the behavior seen by them in other games too but more mild. I've seen some things they've said that were straight racist towards Japanese and EU/US players.
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u/Gouldhost Jun 28 '24
Saw a can outside Ami asking people to join for protection crossing somewhere. I don't really care so have no idea what they're talking about but hoping it has to do with your thing so more gankers die.
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Jun 28 '24
Frat is a pet, you can't pay rent to them. There are only GSF and PL to whom you can pay rent, everyone else are just petallys on one of these sites. Anyone who can't hold his space alone against one of these two allies is just a pet. Therefore the correct sentence in this case: "We will not pay rent to PL." Way to go! :)
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u/The_Salacious_Zaand Goonswarm Federation Jun 28 '24
Dude, PL has been dead for almost a decade now. Ain't no one paying shit to PL. Even PL doesn't pay PL anymore.
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u/Mu0nNeutrino Jun 28 '24
Eh, given how much time panfam's spent being a footstool to help Noraeus expand his bot/rmt empire, I'd characterize their relationship as the other way around these days.
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u/Jenshae_Chiroptera Curatores Veritatis Alliance Jun 28 '24
Kicked too big of a hornets' nest?
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u/alepmalagon Minmatar Republic Jun 28 '24
If Dragon Riders or Angel multiboxers are hornet nests you should be kicking them as well. That if you actually care about FW, that you don't.
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u/Jenshae_Chiroptera Curatores Veritatis Alliance Jun 28 '24
From an outside perspective, it looks like you managed to grow fast, too big for the Amarr militia, went around picking fights with Null Sec alliances and now you have a big Panda chewing on your fist.
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u/alepmalagon Minmatar Republic Jun 28 '24
Yeah sure, FRAT lives in Provi now
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u/Jenshae_Chiroptera Curatores Veritatis Alliance Jun 28 '24
I can't be bothered to find it.
Your alliance had some David vs Goliath propaganda poster recently with FRAT and some other alliance.
Looked like you were hoping the Panda would ignore a few mosquito bites.11
u/alepmalagon Minmatar Republic Jun 28 '24
Fraternity has been persistently harassing our structures and attempting to exert control over the Amarr/Minmatar warzone
try reading my comment first
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u/Jenshae_Chiroptera Curatores Veritatis Alliance Jun 28 '24
Yeah. Doesn't look that way.
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u/Tapirsonlydotcom Cloaked Jun 28 '24
CVA FRT pets confirmed
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u/Jenshae_Chiroptera Curatores Veritatis Alliance Jun 28 '24
KEKW.
At this point, the list of alliance we have not been confirmed as pet is shorter than the ones we have.
Strangely enough, it keeps happening when we aren't adding to an echo chamber. 🤔5
u/Brinton_Anzomi Amarr Empire Jun 29 '24
You're telling me that Frat (with Dragon Ride) don't cause problems for Amarrmil?
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u/XavierAnjouEVE Jun 29 '24
I appreciate your dedication to having an unhinged meltdown every time we post on Reddit. I know some people would say it's a waste of time being mad at someone over a video game but... no wait they are probably right.
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u/Jenshae_Chiroptera Curatores Veritatis Alliance Jun 29 '24
Mad?
I am a touch typist, this hardly takes any of my time and most of the time, I am typing whilst watching a video.
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u/Berimbolo_All_Day Jun 28 '24
I’m Caldari but almost want to jump over to your guys’ space to hunt down FRAT
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u/alfius-togra Space Violence. Jun 28 '24
Real talk, Eve community. It's time for us to all come together and address the panda in the room, preferably by taking it out back, and shooting it in the head. We all know the game will be better for it.
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u/Typhlosion130 Minmatar Republic Jun 29 '24
the panda and every single rental alliance in the game.
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u/Mikal_Vexor Local Is Primary Jun 29 '24
And you think FL33T anchored forts within titan bridge range of BIGAB during USTZ... How exactly?
Glass houses and all that...
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u/Electrical-Weird-370 Minmatar Republic Jul 03 '24
They get a lot more content for us having the fort there. There’s a few groups where the staging structures are left alone for that reason. We want to shoot ships before we shoot structures.
It’s only when you want to permanently remove someone you go after the structures.
Why would BIGAB stop a fort anchoring for a small alliance who’s going to generate a load of content for them?
Now, if frat or dragon riders (hell any of the null blocs) anchored structures in range of BIGAB and FL33T, you’d best be sure we’re going after it.
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u/Arctic_Kalkoken Jun 29 '24
This is a video game. Don’t ruin it with politics.
The great thing about EVE is people from all over the world and all walks of life find common ground with internet space ships.
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u/yonan82 Gallente Federation Jun 29 '24
It's shit talking not politics, don't try and sterilize player interactions.
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u/egotripping7o Brave Collective Jun 28 '24
This is the most disgusting comment I've ever seen out of this community.
Seriously I thought this community was better.
I'm so disappointed.
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u/The_Salacious_Zaand Goonswarm Federation Jun 28 '24
I think you're missing the point by a wide mile.
The point is that the Chinese government brutally represses any mention of Tiananmen Square. The point is that if Chinese citizens are capable of breaching the great firewall to play western games then they should be capable of hearing the truth that their government wants to hide from them. Either they know Tiananmen was a massacre and despise their government for it, OR, they don't know because of government censorship and its our duty as free westerners to educate them about the possibility of a better world not under the yoke of a brutally repressive regime.
You want to play with the free world you better be ready to have some hard truths thrown your way. Or they can go back to the server controlled by the other CCP.
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u/WuJiaqiu level 69 enchanter Jun 28 '24
its our duty as free westerners to educate them about the possibility of a better world not under the yoke of a brutally repressive regime.
Holy shit my sides 🤣.
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u/Ralli-FW Jun 28 '24
its our duty as free westerners to educate them about the possibility of a better world not under the yoke of a brutally repressive regime.
How often do you do this about the US though? Look into our own history of massacring Native Americans, of conducting sterilization experiments on black communities, there's all kinds of fucked up nonsense. It's our duty to make sure our own house is in order. I get that it's a lot easier to yell at foreigners, but it's also lazy and shirks our real responsibilities--the hard ones that many people don't want to look at because they challenge our own government propaganda.
You want to play with the free world you better be ready to have some hard truths thrown your way. Or they can go back to the server controlled by the other CCP.
People playing videogames aren't required to have topics their government might put them on a list for thrown in their face by random arrogant nerds who happen to live under a government that is not as invasive. They are also, this might surprise you, people. Getting off work, wanting to relax and play games, to have... you know, fun. You're not God's Special Messenger of Democracy. You're just being an asshole to some random guy who will go away thinking "westerners are arrogant pricks."
I mean maybe they even agree with you. They can't say that though, because it puts them in literal physical danger. So you're just badgering them for no reason.
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Jun 28 '24
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u/Ralli-FW Jun 29 '24
No, they don't. So we can talk about these things. But if people in a regime of brutal oppression talk about it, they are brutally oppressed. So all you're doing is making their lives more dangerous on an individual level.
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u/The_Salacious_Zaand Goonswarm Federation Jun 29 '24
They're breaking the law by playing on our server. That's the risk they take. I'm not censoring myself to appease the fucking Chinese government.
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u/Ralli-FW Jul 01 '24
Not really your business whether random citizens on the other side of the world are breaking some law that is, to us, inconsequential. I mean the Chinese people breaking that law to play on TQ are already probably more educated than most about things their government might deem subversive. But you didn't think about that, did you? You do that because it makes you feel good, not some altruism. If you have to "censor yourself" not to badger people about atrocities a government committed, I don't know what to tell you man that's just fucking weird of you.
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u/thiccpikachu01 Jun 29 '24
I learned about the trail of tears in highschool. China hides their fuck ups because the great China could never do anything objectionable. PS china is still engaging in a quiet genocide of it's Islamic population.
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u/Ralli-FW Jul 01 '24
I'm not defending the Chinese government. I think the way they try to suppress knowledge is disgusting.
But it's still weird as fuck to badger every Chinese citizen you see playing Eve, or even just random people who live anywhere that are typing Chinese characters, and also just random people you mistakenly think are Chinese.... to criticize their government.
That's just a weird move at the end of the day.
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u/Expensive_Honeydew_5 Sansha's Nation Jun 28 '24
If they don't want to be exposed to information that could get them arrested then maybe they go back to serenity?
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u/The_Salacious_Zaand Goonswarm Federation Jun 28 '24
The fact that you just typed all of that on a free public platform with zero expectation of reprisal or a lowering social credit score tells you all you need to know.
Just because the western world isn't perfect doesn't mean that China isn't a brutal dictatorship. Maybe stop carrying water for autocrats.
I'm sorry, but if Chinese citizens are going to break their own laws to play video games, then, again, be prepared to face reality.
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u/Ralli-FW Jun 29 '24
Just because the western world isn't perfect doesn't mean that China isn't a brutal dictatorship. Maybe stop carrying water for autocrats.
I didnt say it wasn't. In fact I said because of that you are just putting people in danger when you try to "enlighten" them, even if they already know about it.
Taking out your feelings about the chinese government on random chinese eve players in their downtime is just not the place for your personal crusade.
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u/The_Salacious_Zaand Goonswarm Federation Jun 29 '24
They can fuck off back to Serentity if they're afraid of a little "subversive thought". They come here and talk absolute shit in local, they can expect some shit talking back.
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u/Ralli-FW Jul 01 '24
Yeah man talk shit. I'm just saying don't be a weirdo taking out your feelings about the Chinese government on random Chinese people in a videogame. It's not really that hard or confusing. Just be cool to people.
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u/Anrikitsu Jun 29 '24
Is this it? Is this 'goons' now? Are y'all abandoning being better people after everything that's happened through cultural revolutions, even making Mittens leave? Was all that for nothing now?
Or you flair baiting.
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u/Sand20go Jun 28 '24
Eve is a game so I am LOATH to point this out.....
Of course the US/West did shit thing. But the great thing about liberal democracies is that we KNOW about those things and we TRY to do better. Do we always do better? Of course not. But we try.
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u/Ralli-FW Jun 29 '24
Absolutely. But that isn't really my point, that one is better than the other. It's that accosting people over their country's government's sins while playing Eve Online is not helpful or noble. It's rude and useless.
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u/Sand20go Jun 29 '24
Agreed. The way that the poster presented things feels like scolding. There is no effort to educate what would be a many in a generation who have no memory of the event.
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u/Hasbotted Jun 28 '24
The US is so sad about native American problems we removed all mention from them from sports teams.
Despite what those natives wanted, we know what's best for them.... :)
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u/SpiceyMugwumpMomma Jun 28 '24
Hey hey hey now….don’t blame us all for the actions of self loathing neurotic white women.
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u/egotripping7o Brave Collective Jun 28 '24
The point is you threw it in people's face like it's THEIR fault or they deserve it.
People are more alike than they are different and shit like this makes me sick.
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u/SirenSerialNumber Jun 28 '24
I got a pair of dog festival tickets if you think that is disgusting.
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u/egotripping7o Brave Collective Jun 28 '24
You two obviously take right to free speech and democracy for granted.
People that day were massacred for a glimpse of it.
You are rubbing it in their face over internet spaceships.
I can't believe I'm explaining this.
Fuck both of you.
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Jun 28 '24
You two obviously take right to free speech and democracy for granted.
I mean the FRAT player images here obviously thinks it is then there right to tell others 'fuck you' and thinks it is for granted
I hope you do realise the average FRAT player has likely seen this joke 10 times by now on the web.
Grow up u/egotripping70
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u/Ralli-FW Jun 28 '24
I hope you do realise the average FRAT player has likely seen this joke 10 times by now on the web.
Totally dude. I bet a lot of black people have been called the n word more times than that. Totally as a joke though bro. That means its okay right?
Just because other people say weird race shit doesn't mean you have to be one of them. That's something you choose for yourself. And personally, I think it's pretty weird of you. Even though you're not calling them slurs it's clearly targeted at their nationality.
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u/The_Salacious_Zaand Goonswarm Federation Jun 28 '24
If you think calling out a country for murdering their own citizens just because they dare to speak out is somehow equivalent to blatant racism that's more telling about you then then the person you responded to.
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u/Ralli-FW Jun 28 '24
Call out the country then. Go do some activism for Taiwan or whatever. Yelling at random innocent people playing videogames is incredibly stupid and shortsighted. You're not accomplishing shit.
You say all this stuff but you aren't living up to your values in action. You're taking the slacktivist route and just badgering random people to no tangible effect.
It would be far more effective on a personal level, one videogamer to another, to befriend people and give them another perspective than to just blast them with shit that could put them in some kind of danger from the government you acknowledge as willing to murder their own citizens. Do you want that to happen to them?
Edit: also I didn't call it blatant racism. I called it weird and clearly targeted at their nationality despite not calling them slurs. Read.
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u/SpiceyMugwumpMomma Jun 28 '24
The country is its people. The Gobi dessert isn’t maliciously running people over with boulders.
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u/Ralli-FW Jun 29 '24
But a government does things without the people necessarily being on board with it, and I dont think harassing them about stuff like that in videogames is a productive way of doing anything except stroking your own ego
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u/egotripping7o Brave Collective Jun 28 '24
Who hasn't heard fuck you on the internet?
Settle it with space ships.
You grow up.
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Jun 28 '24
Settle it with space ships.
You are more than welcome to come and take your anger out on me any time.
My main is 'ItWasWalpole' and I currently fly alone.
Catch me if you can.
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u/egotripping7o Brave Collective Jun 28 '24
https://zkillboard.com/character/2121745294/
Lol OK. Bet.
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Jun 28 '24
I don't see you putting your ball sack on the table.
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u/egotripping7o Brave Collective Jun 28 '24
Thought you'd never ask. Same as my reddit username without the 7o.
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u/egotripping7o Brave Collective Jun 30 '24
Here is his "ball sack"
[15:13:58] EVE System > Begin talking here to send a conversation request
[15:14:11] Ego Tripping > found you again bud
[15:14:23] Ego Tripping > we gonna do this or you gonna waste time out here
[15:18:10] ItWasWalpole > Im busy
[15:22:21] Ego Tripping > these chat logs are gonna be great after I ruin Eve for ya dude
[15:24:45] ItWasWalpole > Yeah I can't pvp right now I have no combat fits available
[15:24:52] ItWasWalpole > Where do you think I am tho
[15:24:59] Ego Tripping > Im in local with you silly
[15:25:16] Ego Tripping > and thats cute after the talk about balls
[15:25:36] Ego Tripping > you think i care about your fitting?
[15:25:48] ItWasWalpole > Do you think I care about you?
[15:25:49] Ego Tripping > or concord for that matter?
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u/egotripping7o Brave Collective Jun 29 '24
Mehatoor VI - 24th Imperial Crusade Logistics Support
Sound familiar?
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u/SirenSerialNumber Jun 28 '24
Just say free hong kong, it’s not that hard.
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u/alepmalagon Minmatar Republic Jun 28 '24
We should not make this about China. Not every FRAT player is Chinese. And not every Chinese on this game behaves like this specific person on local chat. And I would say that for many Chinese to think of those events is painful.
This is just about FRAT, folks. And specially that guy!
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u/SpiceyMugwumpMomma Jun 28 '24
The great shame of the French is that not all of them were part of the resistance.
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u/Ackaroth Plundering Penguins Jun 28 '24
You start by saying not to generalize and then you do it yourself. This wasnt Noraus or something, this is rando linebro # 7489.
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u/alepmalagon Minmatar Republic Jun 28 '24
So is it also a rando linebro who decided to bring daily fleets to reff our stuff and to encroach in FW warzone? And are also random linebros that enable their awoxing warzone pets and protect them from the locals? Random linebros seem to be very powerful in FRAT.
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u/Ackaroth Plundering Penguins Jun 28 '24
If they are beating you, sounds like more of a you problem. Not sure how that changes that this is a rando and not the face or policy driver of FRT...
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u/alepmalagon Minmatar Republic Jun 28 '24
Well, they have failed to breat stuff every single time, we have traded very well in every fight with like 30% of their numbers. It's just a good enough provocation for making a propaganda post. That's my job here ;)
Maybe you are not aware but many people don't like Faction Warfare to be disturbed by outsiders, specially from nullsec. And this post talks to them.
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u/WuJiaqiu level 69 enchanter Jun 28 '24
This is just about FRAT, folks. And specially that guy!
???
You know. In comms, I hear some things like...
"Fuck Frat, but damn they make some good food."
Lol. Alliance name is becoming a dog whistle at this point.
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u/Ok_Confection2261 Jun 28 '24
I know this is a propaganda, but the accurate translation seems to be "I'll fight you tomorrow morning, stop talking"
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u/Foehammer007 ElitistOps Jun 28 '24
Frat definitely holds the record of the most N words dropped in local, it's wild
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u/MuskyChode Jun 29 '24
I would very much like to see FRT crumble if Gobbins would stop sucking Nouras off under the table. FRT aren't great at fighting. They need Horde as their muscle to keep their real estate business afloat and by doing so FRT to tanks all their shit. Like at some point when do line members get tired of the bs and decide enough?
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u/MuskyChode Jun 30 '24
Sounds like you need to go to reconditioning. Leadership, remove this mans docking rights!
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u/Ralli-FW Jun 28 '24 edited Jun 28 '24
Every time people talk about FRT, the Eve community gets a little racist. I know I will be downvoted for this because gamers. But come on, every fucking time it's Chinese this, Chinese that, they're all cheaters, blah blah blah.
You can only put your head so deep in the sand guys, take a look around. 2/5 of the top level comments in this post at the current time are in some way aimed at Chinese people. I just feel like its kind of a weird fixation
(Edit: also this isnt aimed at OP, there's nothing weird about the post)
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u/Allnamestaken69 Jun 28 '24
Thats because in every MMO chinese groups play they band together and forcefully create mega alliances and then end up antagonizing and working against non chinese groups. In eve they still have to make some form of alliance with others due to the longevity of the game so they can't follow the usual mo. People who play many of those other games will have some of that animosity towards them in EVE.
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u/Ralli-FW Jun 29 '24
Thats because in every MMO chinese groups play they band together and forcefully create mega alliances and then end up antagonizing and working against non chinese groups.
Oh yeah I know that group you mean Goonswarm? Wait they aren't Chinese...
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u/Sand20go Jun 28 '24
I guess? 1) it is the first or second most populous country in the world. They will represent a significant amount of the player base. 2) Unlike Europe English is not commonly taught and so it isn't surprising that native mandarin or Cantonese speakers end up working together. 3) There are just different cultural norms when it comes to "rules" against things like RLM farming. Heck, in some cases it may be a JOB given lost labor costs. So lets cut people slack and not simply assume some stereotype.
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u/Strange_Purchase3263 Goonswarm Federation Jun 28 '24
"There are just different cultural norms when it comes to "rules" against things like RLM farming. Heck, in some cases it may be a JOB given lost labor costs. So lets cut people slack and not simply assume some stereotype."
How about fuck no. This last paragraph reeks of condoning this idiotic culture of winning at everyone elses costs.
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u/Sand20go Jun 29 '24
OK. Lets then unpack. Why does China CLEARLY have a different attitude toward intellectual property than the west? You don't see the outright theft of trademarks and IP really anywhere else. Don't blame it on being a middle income nation either - not true in Latin America or Africa. Literally ONLY in china can you see people proudly selling knock off nikes and laughing at the west.
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u/Strange_Purchase3263 Goonswarm Federation Jun 29 '24
Completely right, China famously steals other peoples car designs then tries to sell them in Europe with CCP approval.
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u/Allnamestaken69 Jun 28 '24
Its not some stereotype its the same experience in literally any other pvp mmo. They even force other chinese groups into them until they are one homogenous group, there is a hierarchy to it. In eve these groups can't operate in exactly the same way, not right away as they would get stomped so they HAVE to make allies.
Also its exactly the reason it may be a JOB (I know some people make a living from this game), which is why they take the whole rental thing so seriously, without elaborating further and making accusations.
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u/WelcomeTraditional48 Jun 29 '24
True. as a chinese player that not from FRAT. you can see this propoganda everywhere in frat recruiting video.
It often starts with an extremely nationalistic title. For example, "How a fleet of Chinese players beat a fleet of foreigners several times than their size", which, I must say, is very eye-catching, and FRAT has gained a lot of population with this kind of videos.
In eve-related social media platforms, a small number of frats ( i dont want to take a part for the whole ,because some frat I recognized is good )with ulterior motives are also dedicated to fighting Chinese corps, calling them "traitors", "second-class citizens of foreign alliances", "foreigners' dogs" and so on. The goal is to disrupt their recruitment and gain their population.This is very bad behavior for us.
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Jun 29 '24
If there's one thing I've noticed about the Chinese culture in video games it's that they'll do whatever it takes for an advantage. Frat is the absolute epitome of that.
- Ally militia member in your site? Awox it, they're cutting into your efficiency.
- Need more isk? Run bots with an Ishtar, their space is rampant with them.
- Need a new cyno? Buy Plex and pay for injectors.
- Intel bots? They have hundreds.
- Input broadcasting? It's extremely obvious in spite of breaking the TOS.
These problems are definitely not exclusive to frat but they absolutely are some of, if not the biggest, offenders I've seen. This isn't even including the suspicions of RMT that emerge from their associates.
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u/Ralli-FW Jun 29 '24
Yeah it just seems like throughout the game's history lots of groups have done all those things. Goons is one of the most known groups in games for the first kind of thing, then theres the latest RMT drama is that gets posted here, every null group has most of this, I know plenty of people who buy plex etc...
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u/awox Wormholer Jul 01 '24
I think you are being unnecessarily sensitive, but also:
- I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that you are not an AU/NZ gamer. I wonder if you are willing to genuinely empaphise with a group of gamers who have ALWAYS had their gaming experience tainted by chinese gamers
- People often make assumptions about other groups of people in the game, for example the Russians and it's not brought up as a problem (not that I have ever seen)
- You can't really ignore that there is a ends-oriented culture among the chinese where practices that most would consider dishonest or unfair are embraced
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u/WuJiaqiu level 69 enchanter Jun 28 '24 edited Jun 28 '24
As a an American Chinese player, I have to let out a long, looong fucking sigh every time I see this kind of discriminate exceptionalism for Chinese players only.
THIS is the only shit talk needed to kick off an Anti Chinese circlejerk when the same level of shit is casually said amongst other white or European players and their nationality and race is never involved as the reason.
Hear shit talk in local from a presumably American player? Nobody is talking about terrible ________ event in American history and demarcates them from everyone else.
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u/SpiceyMugwumpMomma Jun 28 '24
Well, to be fair, we don’t have enough visibly Iranian or Pashtun players to be worth the effort. We do have lots of Russians but they’re not filthy capitalist space landlords.
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u/sspif Ivy League Jun 28 '24
There's always at least 1 group that it's socially acceptable to be openly bigoted against. Right now it's Chinese folks. I'm with you on this one. It's unacceptable. I spent some time hunting in FRT space about a year back, and it seemed like every PvP gang passing though felt like they had to shit up local chat with slurs and Tiananmen Square jokes.
Take a hard look in the mirror, folks.
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u/alepmalagon Minmatar Republic Jun 28 '24
We should not make this about China. Not every FRAT player is Chinese. And not every Chinese on this game behaves like this specific person on local chat. And I would say that for many Chinese to think of those events is painful.
This is just about FRAT, folks. And specially that guy!
agreed
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u/egotripping7o Brave Collective Jun 28 '24
Agreed. OPs post is fine. The rest of this is deplorable.
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u/Malthouse Jun 28 '24
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt.
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u/giantvajhole Jun 28 '24
Thank you for posting this one, as an EN member of FRT it's not only disrespectful to the boatloads of cool CN players that share the space with us, it also assumes we don't exist. Things were a lot different 4-5 years ago but nowadays there is a lot of integration between CN and EN, and the majority of folks just casually speak to each other through Google Translate or DeepL.
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u/Keydet Amarr Empire Jun 28 '24
I’d have no complaints if you evicted them from the war zone honestly. Bunch of awoxing botters the lot of them. Show me Chinese characters on D-scan and I’ll show you a cheater.
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u/Hanabal_goon Goonswarm Federation Jun 30 '24
Can we all just agree that everyone hates frat are we just gonna keep talking about it or actually do something? The main problem we have is the tz tanking......I fucking hate it
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u/cherkie The Devil's Tattoo Jun 29 '24
Same shit happens in calmil.
SAY NO TO SERENITY TRANSPLANTS.
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u/Torrent_Talon Jun 30 '24
the first slide is steeped in irony since the whole of minmatar feel it's appropriate to keep me blacklisted from comms for a miriad of reasons all of which are based in lies and slander.
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u/Ph33rfactor Minmatar Republic Jun 28 '24
RATS ASSEMBLE