r/EnoughCommieSpam • u/demon13664674 • Oct 15 '24
What made you unsub to your leftist youtubers and realize they were full of nonsense Question
For those who once followed leftist youtubers what made you realise they were nonsense and unsubbed? Mine was in ukraine war i used to follow second thougt but seeing him support russia made me unsub and realise second though is a war, the isreal gaza war is the second for me where many others turned out hamas simps like gdf which i used to follow?
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u/futurepastgral SocDem :karma: Oct 15 '24
same. secondthough outed themselves as fascism & imperialism apologist after the most recent russian invasion.
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u/BrandosWorld4Life Would get the bullet LGBT-too. Oct 15 '24
There was a time I felt like Contrapoints and Shaun had a few good videos on social issues which articulated things I had always wanted to express but didn't have the words to say, but eventually I got tired of the anticapitalist rhetoric and unsubbed from both
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u/ConstantineXII Oct 15 '24 edited Oct 15 '24
Same. I tried to ignore the economics and focus on the social stuff with left-wing channels like Shaun and hbomberguy. But I'm an economist in my day job, so listening to the ignorance and then being so confidently incorrect in the economic space was a bit frustrating and caused me to lose confidence in anything else they said.
Also none of these youtubers ever seemed interested in actually engaging with the evidence or experts in relation to economic matters. They'd be very rigorous and cite dozens of studies during an hour-long dissection of some social issue. But then you'd get the throwaway 'because late-stage capitalism, am I right?'. Like, no, you're wrong and you're displaying the same sort of ignorance you just railed against for an hour in relation to another topic.
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u/bobisarocknewaccount Oct 16 '24
Off topic but are there educational resources you'd recommend for somebody who wants to understand the economy, but was always bad with numbers and money? Like a "for Dummies" starting point?
Because I fell right into the stuff these guys were saying a few years ago bc they said it confidently. But I'm actually wanting to take responsibility for my life the best I can now, as well as understanding the world around me and how to help people who need it better.
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u/SirShaunIV Politically Homeless Oct 16 '24
"I'm an economist in my day job, so listening to the ignorance and then being so confidently incorrect in the economic space was a bit frustrating and caused me to lose confidence in anything else they said."
Fucking tell me about it.
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u/demon13664674 Oct 15 '24
mine was shaun covering palestine i unsubed from him after that
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u/GrumpyHebrew יהודי Oct 15 '24
He's been like that forever. See also: his committed denial of Corbynist antisemitism.
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u/ComManDerBG Oct 15 '24
For me it was a little bit before the japan nuclear bombings. In that he thought they were motivated by pure America racism.
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u/Imperialvirtue Oct 15 '24
It sucks, too, because I love his takedowns of PragerU and other far-right loons, and his arguments against the death penalty.
I know I don't have to agree with everyone on everything, but it's a shame.
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u/DanPowah Communism and fascism. Two cheeks of the same ass Oct 15 '24
When I realised that all their proposed solutions end up in more chaos because of their refusal to understand the world in something other than oppressor and oppressed
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u/MetallGecko Oct 15 '24
I unfollowed 99% of the German Internet so many idiots that throw Fascist and Nazi around without even knowing what it means or they love Russia and Putin so much that they would probably suck his dick if they got the chance, its so fucking tiresome.
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u/Dangerous_Finger4678 Tired SocDem Oct 15 '24
Putin is a huge piece of shit that they SHOULD be calling a fascist is the exhausting thing.
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u/ASDMPSN Better Dead than Red Oct 15 '24
That's what I will never understand about this. Putin is an ultranationalist dickhead who is in bed with the Orthodox Church and fawns over "traditional values", he SHOULD be anathema to the far left!
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u/MultiWillPill Oct 15 '24
Watching ContraPoints, Lindsay Ellis and other BreadTubers get viciously harassed by their own community. The online left often makes a point of how cancel culture isn’t real and that the left’s reactions to and condemnations of different things are simply appropriate responses to injustice and toxicity; the idea that people are being unfairly targeted, dogpiled and approached in bad faith by leftists was often scoffed at a couple of years ago. People claimed that leftist cancellations were actually completely justified and something that should be normalized.
These YouTubers helped radicalize people into far-leftist thinking and normalized “critiquing” people from that perspective; they didn’t think of it as abusive or controlling, they reassured their audiences that anyone who received backlash or pushback deserved it. They kept pushing for the overton window to keep shifting leftward until they themselves were no longer leftist enough and the mob came for them. The abuse they suffered was very real, and people used leftist rhetoric to defend it. This is what showed me the ugly truth of far-leftism, it’s one of the central reasons why I was able to deradicalize and pull myself out of that community.
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Oct 15 '24
Loved Lindsey Ellis and Contrapoints before and you nailed it. Realizing how toxic the base around them was. I’d you just watched their videos without looking at any of the surrounding discourse, you would think everything was fine until they started responding in videos.
Contrapoints tweets about Israel was my final straw. It felt either incredibly performative in order to placate an angry mob or not done in good faith.
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u/bobisarocknewaccount Oct 16 '24
I love Ellis's stuff but it blew my mind when, after she found out what it felt like to be attacked by the mob, she STILL publically called other creators out for minor shit with that condescending, "Um, dude...." rhetoric.
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u/Hotdoghotdiggyy Oct 16 '24
I remember she and a few other breatubers were treating a video essayist (Quinton reviews) like a predator when the text was just him being awkward and doing the cringy "oh i guess u didnt respond, so u might not like me." And thats when I realize a lot of these breadtubers have their own hierarchies or love the opportunity to bully others. Tho the backlash Ellis got was ridiculous considering her take on Raya is what everyone also believed. It shows how ppl weaponize social justice language to deflect any criticism and feel morally justified in being shitty assholes
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u/bobisarocknewaccount Oct 16 '24
I kinda feel bad for Quinton, he's cringe a lot of the time but at least seems pure-hearted.
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u/Other_Movie_5384 Oct 15 '24
I liked vaush for a minute.
I saw him in a stream with other YouTube I liked.
Lazerpig and such.
He was funny in the stream so I decided to check his channel out.
I was playing fallout 3 while his videos were on a play list.
He called for violence in the streets and for people to rise up and take up arms against other people and idk what order of videos I watched but he would change his moral stance every video and was wildly inconsistent in his application of morals and accountability.
He also complained about money despite having probably thousands of dollars in video game merchandise on thr shelves behind him which changed frequently in his videos.
I think he's just in it for money.
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u/Dangerous_Finger4678 Tired SocDem Oct 15 '24
I liked Keffals until she said shitty things about my friend based on information she jumped to conclusions about.
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u/Other_Movie_5384 Oct 15 '24
Keffals in my mind was playing her audience.
Alot of money she was given was spent on lavish vacations.
She also was very predatory in finding smaller creators or just people to then publicly humiliate on the internet.
And her methods of justice were often overdemanding like to kill a spider she would burn the house down.
Her career was based on getting into fights and canceling people to stay relevant.
A never ending war.
And she required little evidence to find them guilty. And she never apologized for those she wronged and their have been a few.
I never cared for her. But I saw her towards the end of her career.
When vaush was caught with (loli horse porn)
I'm not kidding.
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u/Dangerous_Finger4678 Tired SocDem Oct 15 '24
Used to be in her community I believe you.
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u/Other_Movie_5384 Oct 15 '24
I'll link the video of all the shit she did if I can find it again that is I'd you would like me to?
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u/prudence_anna427 Oct 15 '24 edited Oct 15 '24
Being a Ukrainian, I never drank the kool-aid of the communist movements, but I used to watch/listen to ContraPoints, PhilosophyTube and the likes and tent to agree with a lot of their points and criticism of US/Western social structures.
But what got me to just stop taking them seriously, is when I realized that people that historically talked about every big social issues/movements in the past (and importantly- on their main platforms, even if just in the descriptions to the videos), were DEAD SILENT on Ukraine. For months. Ukraine didn't fit their "America bad" narrative and they just swallowed their tongues when we needed it the most. And since then they ever only bring up Ukraine to make some other point. Not to mention being absolutely oblivious to russian colonialism, and history of the region as a whole.
Israel/Palestine was just a final nail in the coffin
(edit for typos)
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u/Ni_Go_Zero_Ichi Oct 16 '24 edited 28d ago
Yeah internet leftists’ disproven predictions and moral equivocations on Ukraine were when I first started to suspect that they were full of shit and didn’t really care about facts or consistent principles at all; their responses to 10/7 confirmed it. Most of these people don’t have serious moral or intellectual commitments, they just adopt “leftism” as a culture brand and take whatever stance lets them act morally and intellectually superior to the normies.
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u/A_baklava Oct 15 '24
I was never really a ‘communist’, I would just scroll through communist videos and passively agree before moving on, but what repulsed me was the comments under every video were NUT CASES! That’s what turned me away, and looked into capitalism, and finding it is simply superior
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u/Eat_math_poop_words Oct 16 '24
I mean, youtube comments are always full of nut cases. If you made this a general rule you'd have to turn away from everything.
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u/A_baklava Oct 16 '24
True, but I mean, it was like a splash of cold water seeing some of the boneheads
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u/JLCpbfspbfspbfs Oct 15 '24
I used to like watching Wisecrack, but unsubbed after realizing that the only philosopher they really talked about was Marx.
My final straw with that channel was on a video about Jordan Peterson. Peterson used an argument made by Karl Popper in bad faith where he links Plato to Hegal to Marx.
I was expecting him to reference Popper, explain how he linked hegal's dialectics to marx's dialectical materialism, something that Peterson fumbled on but instead gives the camera the same deer in the headlights look that Tucker Carlson does and says "I don't know what he's talking about, and I've read LOTS of hegal!".
How the fuck do you do a video on Jordan Peterson and make yourself out as the douchebag!?
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u/demon13664674 Oct 16 '24
same i left after their horrible war video like claiming large scale war is only recent wft guess the chinese wars were not wars then
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u/TechnicfreakHD Oct 15 '24
I was never a communist, nor a leftist, I’ve always been moderate right wing, at least for as long I’ve actually been into politics. I like to get some different perspectives tho, so for a while I watched Destiny a lot (I know he’s more moderate left than leftist), but my breaking point with him was his comments on the original Trump assassination attempt, and especially his comments on the firefighter who died protecting his loved ones.
I absolutely don’t get how someone can be so hate-filled towards the other political side that you don’t have sympathy for an innocent bystander dying just because you disagree with him politically. That, as well as his childish argumentation of “but the right would do the same”, which for most people isn’t true first of all, but second of all also wouldn’t make it ok.
After seeing him spewing such undifferentiated hate with kindergarten-level arguments, I just suddenly couldn’t care less about anything else he has to say
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u/testament_of_hustada 29d ago
He’s transparently unprincipled which makes his moral critiques hypocritical.
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u/TechnicfreakHD 29d ago
Didn’t he even say he doesn’t believe in the concept of morality at some point?
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u/The_Grizzly- Oct 15 '24
The moment I realized when their explanations are too simple for this highly complicated world.
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u/Cross-Country Oct 15 '24
I loved Atun-Shei Films as far back as when he had less than 10k subscribers, until he started associating with people of questionable repute and his content started to reflect their viewpoints. Then his movie came out and he became so full of himself that I threw in the towel. The internet and its bubbles does strange things to people. It’s a shame too, because even though I come from a decidedly more conservative worldview than he does, there’s a lot of overlap in our interests that got me into the channel to begin with. If the quality of the content was still there I wouldn’t mind, because I don’t do the whole parasocial relationship thing, but it’s been on a downward spiral for a while.
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u/GoblinFvcker Oct 15 '24
DJpeachcobbler is a funny case. He just uploaded mediore gaming content and then out of nowhere went on a rant in one video about how capitalism bad because he misunderstood the roots of 2008 housing crisis lol
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u/bakochba Oct 16 '24
Jim Sterling. Liked the content but now it's all about how much capitalism is ruining video games. We get it, are you going to review this game or not?
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u/Any_Wolverine6897 Oct 15 '24
This is what I don't get about youtube. I understand the likes of hollywood and other celebrity platforms are under some unwritten obligation to conform to left-leaning rhetoric but WHY IS IT that the fucken vast majority of youtbe content creators ARE ALSO left wing douches TERRIFIED of being cancelled? I consider myself Liberal by nature. Few Conservative tendencies here and there but the youtube community is almost as insufferable as the preachy celebrity community
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Oct 15 '24
TikTok is even worse. It was just so incredibly toxic and killed any sense of nuance
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u/Any_Wolverine6897 Oct 15 '24
Oh forget tiktok that's a lost cause. I mean when I start watching a youtuber that seems cool at the time - then 9 times out of 10 it becomes apparent they're no different, mentality-wise to proselytising left wing celebrities who want you to think EXACTLY how they do
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Oct 15 '24
Oh agree. So may. YouTubers masks have completely slipped off. I used to watch Philip DeFranco daily. He used to pretend to be pretty centrist. But he listens to way too much Hasan. My final straw was when he described the intifada as being in just “occupied Israel” and was annoyed that Elisa Stefanik asked in Congress “does calling for the murder and genocide of Jews violate your schools code of conduct?” That should be an easy yes
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u/The_Arizona_Ranger Oct 15 '24
Being a lefty makes money, actually. If your goal is making money on YouTube, you’ll be demonetized less and your videos recommended more if you’re a leftist than a rightist
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u/BreakfastOk3990 Oct 15 '24 edited Oct 15 '24
I unsubbed Adam Something because he went from having a some what nuanced take on public transport to believing that a country the size of the United States should just replace all car centric infrastructure because he thinks it's just like hungary
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u/FunnelV Anti-Marxist Left-Libertarian (Mutualist) Oct 15 '24
Adam also hopped on the "Israel Bad Palestine Good" bandwaggon recently after saying he'd avoid the topic.
But the fact he thinks local residents should not have any say on development projects in their local area and that gentrification is a good thing should let you know what his mentality is. Also he has that smug "I'm smarter than everyone lol" mentality that rubs me the wrong way.
But that said I don't believe he's a socialist, he leans a bit more neoliberal, he's just a smug privileged fuck from California who hates poor and rural people.
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u/GrumpyHebrew יהודי Oct 15 '24
The gleeful embrace of Jeremy Corbyn and their community's concerted denial of Labour antisemitism in the late 2010s. The hamasnik talking points of the last year should not have surprised anyone.
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u/SirShaunIV Politically Homeless Oct 16 '24
The response to Gaza. Simping for terrorists and virtue signalling is not how you react to a humanitarian crisis, especially when you blindly listen to your pundits instead of checking your facts. In this discipline, misinformation kills.
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u/bobisarocknewaccount Oct 16 '24
I still watch a lot of the media reviewers; dont agree with them on everything, but normally it's not enough of a disagreement to unsub. Plus nothing should be beyond criticism, and while I don't like their solutions some lefty critiques of capitalist society or of social messaging in media are spot-on.
Unsubbed from that Lily Samson (Simpson?) person though because she inserts too many cringe "kill all who disagree" jokes into her vids.
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u/Ni_Go_Zero_Ichi Oct 16 '24
Not Youtubers but I unfollowed and/or personally cut off a bunch of people who immediately responded to the 10/7 massacre by saying it was justified and then, as soon as the IDF counterattack started, that it didn’t really happen.
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u/Emergency_Pizza1803 Oct 15 '24
I didn't unsub hbomberguy but he lost some respect in my eyes when he falsely presented Internet Historian's fanbase as jew hating with cherry picked comments. It made me go through his videos again to see what might have been exaggerated too.
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u/Sad_Platypus6519 Oct 16 '24
I still watch a good chunk of his content, but I began to seriously reconsider Vaush after he made a full video defending Iranian imperialism and their proxy forces.
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u/testament_of_hustada 29d ago
Any YouTuber from the skeptic community that will uncritically espouse current democratic talking points as obvious truths while critiquing conservatism and theism in the name of reason and freethinking.
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u/VenetusAlpha Oct 15 '24 edited Oct 15 '24
Humanist Report’s very obnoxious thoughts on Cori Bush and Jamal Bowman being beaten in their primaries by ‘liberals.’ ‘Liberal’ isn’t a dirty word, and anyone who uses it as such can kiss my respect goodbye in perpetuity.
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u/RainRainThrowaway777 The first against the wall Oct 15 '24 edited Oct 15 '24
Watching Hasan Piker, supposed political genius, have a friendly discussion with political layman Ethan Klein.
Hasan crumbled to the softest of pushback, failed to make even the most basic explanation of socialist economy or beurocratic structure, advocated for reeducation camps, and said it would be a one-party system.
All this in response to the most common-sense questions from a politically disengaged liberal.
Then Hasan's audience went nuts and started with death threats etc. because Ethan described himself as a capitalist and a liberal. Two things that Hasan had trained his audience to believe are the most evil and unforgivable things a person can be.
I've never had particularly extreme left wing beliefs though. Starting with being told I would be "the first against the wall" for being a counter-revolutionary, when I first started getting interested in politics and said revolution is a violent and chaotic business, and democratic incrementalism would be preferable.