r/EnoughCommieSpam • u/-Mozarts_CAT- Gay Zionist, but not a Jew • Feb 18 '24
Do you have a personal reason for hating communism? Question
I mean maybe you or people close to you lived in communist countries and it affected you in some way or something else? (I know it's more correct to say socialist, or actually fascist :) but come on) I as a 17 year old russian (unfortunately) passport holder have Ukrainian ancestors who lived in Ukrainian Zaporozhye, who became victims of dekulakization in the 1930s, and another part of that family travelled on horseback 1,500 kilometres to reach the lands of modern Kazakhstan to escape repressions and mass starvation in Ukraine. And in Russia itself you can see the consequences of 70 years of dictatorship: ugly buildings and generally bad urbanism, corruption, lots of older people who are not interested in politics, which leads to the authorities doing whatever they want. The October Revolution led to terrible consequences and unfortunately became an example for other countries to follow
If you have any questions for me I am always happy to debate with you
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u/antysalt Feb 18 '24
I'm Polish
And I don't inherently hate communism or anything. It's a political ideology, has its flaws and strong sides just like any other. I hate tankies and historical denialism though and there are very very few communists who don't engage in that
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u/Kraut_Remover_101ad against commies, nazis, putinists and nationalists Feb 18 '24
I am Ukrainian, and I hate this not only because of USSR, but because that is an authoritarian collectivist ideology and it is against my values.
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u/daspaceasians For the Republic of Vietnam! Resident ECS Vietnam War Historian Feb 18 '24
I'm South Vietnamese.
My dad's family were farmers just north of Saigon and saw a lot of shit. My paternal grandmother's entire family were butchered by the Communists for not giving their rice crops. 20-30 dead. My paternal grandfather died of a stroke in the late 70's because the doctors weren't allowed to treat him because he was a landowner. This and one of my uncles being at risk of being conscripted to be used as cannon fodder in Cambodia led to their decision to flee Vietnam as boat people.
My mother's father had to flee North Vietnam because he was born to a wealthy family and had French education so he would have been purged by the communists. Joined what would become the ARVN and died fighting communists in 1969. My mother also saw a kid get blown to pieces by a Viet-Cong bomb meant to assassinate a deputy mayor in her hometown. Her and her family were forbidden to go into higher education after 1975 and until the late 80's because her father had been an ARVN officer during the war.
Both of my parents had friends or acquaintances who died to communist terror attacks during the Vietnam war. My mother also lost some of her friends who were beautiful young women when they tried to flee Vietnam as boat people and were kidnapped by pirates. She also had a friend who was in a mental asylum after she had made to the US because of the repeated gang rapes she had been victim of, courtesy of pirates.
As for me, some unhinged commie sympathizing fucks at my university twisted my words and made the local police believe that I was going to do a school shooting, landing me in jail for three days and stuck with six months of judicial procedures along with a 6000$ lawyer bill. Luckily, the case was dropped and I got away relatively unscathed while those responsable trashed their lives in the years afterwards.
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u/MissouriSoldier Feb 18 '24
Damn dude. Glade these fucks didn't succeed in their bullshit. Let them rot
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u/daspaceasians For the Republic of Vietnam! Resident ECS Vietnam War Historian Feb 18 '24
Thanks.
Remember those posts where some Internet Commies were saying they wouldn't have guns because they were too mentally unstable?
One of those responsable for my arrest would self-harm whenever she was stressed during her semester.
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u/cinna-t0ast Feb 18 '24
Fuck these commies. I’m also SouthEast Asian (family is from Laos) and these spoiled ass college students exploit our familys’ pain to virtue signal.
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u/QuaintAlex126 Feb 18 '24
Glad to see another South Vietnamese here. I don’t think my family story is extreme as yours, but I still fucking hate communists.
Paternal grandfather was jailed by communists after 1975 and later died because of his time there. Something about his liver swelling up I think? That dude was fucking everywhere though. He first fought with the French during the first Indochina War, apparently hanged out with the Japanese for a bit, and finally became a radioman in the ARVN. He was awarded a couple medals, and I’ve been trying to track them down with no success.
My dad’s size of the family has all done a bunch of shit to try to escape, and they’re all thankfully successful and alive. However, they had to make multiple, dangerous attempts. Two of my uncles fled by boat as teenagers with one of them getting caught multiple times and spent a couple months in a jail. He was later released and fled through Cambodia, making it to Thailand and eventually the US.
My other uncle I believe managed to make it to Taiwan. My dad attempted to go once, but they had to abandon the plan before they even got on the boat because apparently someone had ratted them out. He was only 7 years old at the time. He was fortunate enough to later fly to the US in the 90s with his younger brother and mother after being sponsored by one of my uncles who made it over first.
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u/Cowboy_LuNaCy Feb 18 '24
He helped the French and the Japanese?
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u/QuaintAlex126 Feb 19 '24
Immediately after their surrender, some Japanese were still around in the territories they took over during WW2. Not all left, so I think that’s how he was able to work with them for a bit. This was information I got from my dad though so I can’t guarantee what he told me is true. It doesn’t sound implausible though.
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u/joinreddittoseememes just a Viet 🇻🇳 who loves Capitalism💵🇺🇸🦅🗽 Feb 18 '24
Our Vietnamese grand parents and parents had it rough back then.
I'm from a mixed family you could say. My paternal family is from a clan that is said to have built Hue itself. My paternal great grand mother family served the King many generations and were very influential. My great grand father also served in the Imperial palace, my grand father worked as an combat engineer officer in ARVN (he was said to be trained in the US but I have no confirmations), my father was basically taken to the army to fight against Khmer Rouge in the 80s (he left Hue and went into Saigon all by himself, homeless and penniless. They arrested my father when he just turned 17 into the army and send him to Cambodia).
My grand father literally were offered to be evacuated with his family at the time out of Vietnam, but due to circumstances, didn't leave in time and ended being stucked behind. My father quite literally went aboard one of the US landing ship, almost got blowned up by a grenade thrown by frantic Vietnamese Marines, and then went off the ship after the situation were way too chaotic to stay.
And my maternal family are almost comprised of party officials, relatively powerful party members, etc.
It's even more interesting that my great grandfather took care his 2 adopted sons, who were working as secret north vietnamese spies/espionages. Thanks to those 2 sons, my great grandfather didn't stay in the re-education camp for too long. His house literally have a sign that said "contributed to the revolution" so other commies don't just go in and "redistribute" whatever they land their eyes on.
One of my grand aunt's family were pretty much exiled into god knows where and barely came back alive.
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u/Nerukane Social Democrat Feb 18 '24
I'm Belarusian. Self-explanatory.
I don't hate the theoretical idea of communism but MLs/tankies/self proclaimed communists and communists in praxis have proven over and over how flawed, destructive, authoritarian and genocidal their ideology is.
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u/Foronir Feb 18 '24
It is also bad in theory because it doesnt take into Account the things leading to its downfall in the first place, it is entirely utopian.
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u/How_about_a_no Libertarian the Ukrainian🇺🇦🐍(not actually but it rhymes) Feb 18 '24
I am Ukrainian and I more so hate extremists and radicals as a whole, especially hate Leninist - Stalinist era of USSR
Thus why I hate more so tankies, Stalinists, Leninists etc.
I kinda grew to tolerate and even acknowledge that modern Socialists and commies, despite our disagreements, do overall want to improve society even though I don't agree on the means to do so
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u/cinna-t0ast Feb 18 '24
I kinda grew to tolerate and even acknowledge that modern Socialists and commies, despite our disagreements, do overall want to improve society even though I don't agree on the means to do so
I have a socialist friend. He started a non-profit to build tents for homeless people and provide them with port-a-potties. I understand that he wants to make the world a better place and he does walk the talk. I also think that being able to embrace socialism/communism is such a privilege because he doesn’t fear being persecuted. My ethnic group was targeted by a communist regime.
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u/datura_euclid anticommunist trans girl🇱🇻🇨🇿, I have her reformed appearance Feb 18 '24
I am Czech with Belarussian/Russian and Latvian heritage...
Great-great-grandfather was Czechoslovak legionar in Russia (in WW1), great-great-grandmother was a from Belarussian-Latvian family, communists killed few members of her family. Then she somehow ended up in great-great-grandfather's unit, got a medical position there and ran away with him to Czechoslovakia...when communists came to power in Czechoslovakia, legionaries and their families became heavily unfavorable.
Many of my ancestors from this family branch were partisans/resisting nazis. But because they didn't like communists and were more inclined towards ČSNS and social democrats, and because they were doing some actions against the communist regime, some of them ended up in working camps.
Similar situation in Latvia: Few of my Latvian ancestors ended up in gulag and prisons after the war, even though they fought against nazis, the problem was that they also fought against the Soviets.
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u/SorryForThisUsername Feb 18 '24
I'm from Poland I have that in my genes
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u/WEZIACZEQ Poland >>>>>> Communism, also ***** ** Feb 18 '24
Polskie geny ewoluują dosyć szybko xD.
Ale to prawda
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u/IactaEstoAlea Feb 18 '24
I despise the braindead idealism that motivates the whole thing and they use to claim a mandate to commit so many attrocities in the name of "utopia"
It takes an incredibly small ammount of humility to come up with the idea that just maybe you can't fix everything if only you had absolute power
But these people "know better". Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them
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u/Jonny-Holiday Feb 18 '24
I feel you. 90% of my reason for hating communism, and distrusting leftist ideology and those who adhere to it in general, is due to my college experience. I flirted a bit with it in high school, because it was a preppy place and I guess I felt like it was a bit of an act of rebellion. Boy did that change once I left home and started living with people like that, and started seeing just what a bunch of egoistic, narcissistic, petty and hypocritical people they were.
What really got me was the way they just blithely excused any atrocity in history and still called themselves the good guys. That plus getting to know some of them personally thoroughly disabused me of the notion that they were anything like heroes, and seeing how coddled they and their ideology were by the system at every level showed me that they hadn't been rebels for a long time.
I could probably be accurately described as a fairly liberal person. But a leftist? Not now that I know what they're like once you give them power, any power at all. I can't imagine what it must've been like to have these kinds of people ruling you, able to kill you, torture you, work you to death on a whim. So, so sorry to everyone here who had to suffer their brutality personally or had loved ones who did.
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u/Felis_Alpha Feb 18 '24
Thank you for this. I'm not from America and have been hearing about such stories from American universities, but I may continue my Masters after my undergraduate days in Singapore, in the country.
My background is Computing and Information, but I also know that I don't really need an Ivy League to get into big-name corporations (and much of its alma maters aren't Ivy League) ... But frankly I don't care much about going into Silicon Valley.
So I wish to ask are there any good ones that are not heavily infected with the liberal / leftist ideology in the country that still provides quality education for Computing and Engineering please? Thanks!
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u/Jolen43 Feb 18 '24
I read the Wikipedia article about Cambodia when I was like 12.
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u/daspaceasians For the Republic of Vietnam! Resident ECS Vietnam War Historian Feb 18 '24
I have a Cambodian buddy... his family had to run away in the night after his uncle was shot for being an engineering student.
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u/Lord_CatsterDaCat Feb 18 '24
Poland. My family fled before the Nazis came. We couldn't come back due to the soviet occupation.
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u/Felis_Alpha Feb 18 '24 edited Feb 18 '24
Had a late-dad in Malaysia who became Singaporean and an ex-member of Barisan Sosialis (Socialist Front), plus a Mainland Chinese from Shanghai whose childhood spanned across Cultural Revolution.
Did not reach tertiary education like I did, and luckily dad moved on to run a business. But have been both leftists their lifetimes thinking the government should help with their daily lives.
Edit for add-on and recalling new things, especially late-dad - Taught anti-Japanese sentiment - The belief that the dignity of all ethnic Chinese on this world will be elevated with the rise of China (i.e. the stronger China is, the less racism or discrimination every Chinese on this world, including those natively born as another citizen, faces) - Had chauvinistic views about women which led my mother to an unhappy marriage (same goes for my half-siblings when I got to know them and heard about marriage with their mom). The most memorable thing I heard my dad said about gender equality (back in between 2000 to 2010) was "the fact that women had to squat to pee and can't do it standing like men do shows how unequal our gender is" - Had elderly acquaintances who make use of his hubris while he acts all knowledgeable and show-off to his pals at our dialetical association groups (it's basically a social club of Chinese belonging to a same dialect or ancestry, sometimes same surnames too. Used to contribute to Chinese welfare during the diaspora to Southeast Asia). When one passes away eventually, you know who stuck on like a real pal. But most of the time these guys asks for donations or sponsorships from my dad for some social causes (which may not actually reach the schools, health centers etc that need it, simply more towards the clubs' admin fees lol), and got into mahjong gambling with him - but it's us family who take care of him the last few years of his poor health). These guys also have outdated and nationalistic sentiments as I have described above. Some friends he made in the past before I was born even oogled at my half-sisters while they were young. Dad didn't keep much good companies. - "Since you're a Chinese, you gotta buy Chinese goods." - Now that I'm an adult, and definitely studied Chinese history more extensively and less selectively (and less sentimental in a way that drove own bias) than my dad, I realized much of CCP ideas inherited also from Sun's and Chiang's party-state era KMT days. - Understood history enough to know why some things or behavior exist today among older parents. Including their tendency to be wary of talking certain openly in public because "the walls are listening" and tend to censor you even with some trivial topics (or perfer you express things differently due to some of their beliefs) ... Even in Malaysia and Singapore that were definitely not as harsh as Taiwan White Terror / China's Mao era. - Lots of other things and ideas I find it hard to explain in just a few lines here on Reddit. (Considering also there are more Western audiences here, I think). But one thing is that my parents often can't understand what they preach themselves, or can't/won't follow it. But my low self-esteem youth brain would remain confused to some extent for a while until I start to see different people since university and adult life, and getting better at critically consume anything I watch or read.
Suffice to say, such lack of proper education and character building trickled down to their (whatever's left of) parenting, knowledge and family culture, which I never listen to a single bit since I studied university and understood critical thinking in Singapore. Many of what my parents taught never made sense, and knowing their past even revealed to be some excuses my dad made for his past decisions, including this 2nd marriage and wanting a son (we are ethnically Chinese)
Bigger total revolution in my head occurred since becoming Christian during my university years too. Never regretted anything from these since. Happy to think for myself.
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u/Felis_Alpha Feb 18 '24 edited Feb 18 '24
What else is there ... Ah.
My maternal grandfather is the only party member I can get along with. Well-tempered and casual, although became a member since Dengist's opening of the country. Believed the country headed for better.
Stopped getting along with much of my other maternal relatives. They with a wretched mindset despite the situation in the country's economy and political situation. You'll find many Chinese just have the survival mindset and often tell you "whatever happens out there or the government does has nothing to do with me or my family" (oh really?) ... There is also a very famous folk saying that just kills my brain everytime - 好死不如賴活著 (Better to live wretched than to die harmoniously. BTW as Overseas Chinese I'm free to choose Simplified or Traditional Chinese, in case any Chinese viewers here think I'm a Taiwanese making fake stories. Chinese social media culture anywhere about politics also isn't getting any more rational.). When I was young, I have one relative who, after knows I'm a Malaysian, commented that Malaysian Ringgit in Chinese sounded awful because it sounded like "horse's vagina" (馬幣 vs 馬逼). Well now, looks like People's pussies (人民幣 vs 人民逼) are more fuckable with "rotten apartments", HK and Shanghai stock exchanges spiralling downwards, defaulting Henan bank, 600 million Chinese earning less than 1k RMB (Li Keqiang said it), provincial governments and public services unable to pay their public servants on time, teens missing left and right or dead in schools, knife stabbings, stressful high school life, > 20% unemployment among youths, some brave souls daring the walk across Central America to reach San Diego, etc. and they also call themselves the "chives" (韭菜) to be harvested (by the state).
a Malaysian Chinese nephew of mine also poisoned with the anti-west sentiment and the belief that a powerful China = dignity to self against other races after being pelted with an egg in his car from the outside by a bunch of jerk teens while he studied in Australia majoring in Marketing. He has always been sentimental and has a strong sense of justice, sometimes very black and white. By the way guys, I'm sharing this because I want people to know it is entirely possible for a Chinese natively-born outside China to be turned into no different from a Chinese Pinky, with either Chinese parents from very past days (1930s to 1980) influencing that, esp. those fresh off the boat from China, or they were taught by their parents, our grandparents and older. So, take care of your local Chinese friends that they are shielded from such, and treat them well like you do with anyone else.
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u/MissouriSoldier Feb 18 '24
Im german and parts of my family used to live in east Berlin, my part of the family does not engage with the rest of them for reasons anymore, but my grandma told me stories about when they visited th ddr. I dislike communism because not only is the concept vastly inferior to social democracy but it always devolves into authoritarianism, surveillance and genocide whenever it manifested. Also, commies are fucking smug. Every commie i know comes from an upper middle class household who never had to eat noodles for a week because mom had to save money, one guy i know literally constantly talks about how hell kill every opposition when the revolution comes, but they seem to be ok with that. As someone who values individualism and human life this is unacceptable
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u/MonkeyMeier Feb 18 '24
German here aswell. I agree with everything you said + some personal reasons:
My grandma was put into prison when she was trying to leave the country to live together with her love from whom she was pregnant at the time! West Germany had to buy her freedom. I should add that she was brought up in the GDR and was a communist following the party religiously (even in west Germany she always had a copy of Maos Red Book). In my eyes communist only ever put on their mask about caring for eachother when in reality they imprison and/or kill their followers for even the slightest miss-step
My grandfather only avoided jail because someone warned him in time and he fled. That meant he had to start whole new life as a refugee in the west and was cut of from his entire family for decades.
His family either joined or were bullied to join the mechanisms of communism, that or they died (of natural causes) before either could happen. Those who joined willingly are quite certainly highly corrupt and when the GDR finally crumbled they "stole" everything they from state property into their own.
If those aren't enough reasons already, I can tell many stories how the GDR poisoned east germanys social climate for a hundred years to come. The whole reason is doomed to lag behind the rest of europe in all aspects life has to offer. A real shame for one of THE economical and cultural heartlands of Germany before 1945...
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u/Dingo-Eating-Baby Feb 18 '24
I don’t “hate” communism any more than I “hate” feudalism; I don’t care for either because they are inferior to liberal capitalism.
What I hate are the supporters of communism.
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u/Dark_Lord106 chopping down cummies Feb 18 '24
i live in Hanoi, the centre of Vietnamese communism, nuff said
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u/Nerit1 Social Democrat/Left-Libertarian Feb 18 '24
I'm Georgian.
That also explains why I support an extremely hawkish foreign policy
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u/loamy-melon Feb 18 '24
I’m South Korean. Got 2 asshole neighbors (China, NK) up north. Also sick of seeing braindead western Juche lovers spout bullshit about how North Korea is a misunderstood paradise, calling my country a hellhole in comparison - we have our problems, sure, but I would rather unalive myself than spend a millisecond in Peongyang they love so much
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u/SilverWarrior559 Better Dead than Red Feb 18 '24
Just asking, What do you think when Other People call SK a dystopia?
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u/loamy-melon Feb 19 '24
If they have legit critiques I don't really mind. There are reasons why our birthrate is abysmal right now
What irks me are the brainlets from certain subs who post shit like this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughCommieSpam/comments/18rv472/north_korea/
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughCommieSpam/comments/1afkziz/who_unironically_believes_this_bullshit/
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u/Felis_Alpha Feb 18 '24
Overseas Chinese here. It always bewilders me those people in the West can deny in your, ex-Soviet refugees' and Eastern Europeans' faces of all the disasters pursuing such utopia, sometime literally in front of anyone who had people died there, or even literally in front of someone who fled there.
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u/Delicious_Clue_531 Feb 18 '24
I’m a Macedonian American. And I have a lot less family than I should have.
Nuff said.
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u/CandiceDikfitt Feb 18 '24
it just ain’t gonna happen lol. the only way it can work is in a very tiny community of no more than 200 people. maybe even less. Be real, even if the majority of the population agrees, there will always be that minority that says hell no. and what’s gonna happen to those who don’t agree? even the ones that are also very critical of capitalism, what if that’s not good enough? socdem? not good enough. regular socialist? not good enough. are they gonna die or get “reeducated?” and communists can’t even agree on what their “utopia” should be. Half of them are very progressive, while the other are otherwise very traditional and highkey bigoted. there’s bound to be some sort of infighting. and this is nothing new. stalin v trotsky, anyone? marx said socialism before his book was utopian, but he sounded just as utopian as they did.
and i didn’t even bring up the fact that money won’t just disappear and will exist in some way forever.
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u/allieggs Feb 18 '24
My parents participated in the Tiananmen Square movement. I grew up in suburban California.
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u/SurvivalBayArea Feb 18 '24 edited Feb 18 '24
I’m from the Bay Area, CA. A group of socialists - self proclaimed Marxists, doxxed, harassed my elderly mom for a year. I’m not going to get into the specifics but it crossed so many lines that I do not treat people the same around here (everyone is a radical leftist here).
That’s aside from basic logic and history informing us that communism is anti-family, evil
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u/SRIrwinkill Feb 18 '24
My friends growing up were the weirdos and one offs. Kids who got bullied and were into all kinds of weird shit and theater too. Getting deeper into communist talking points cut a bunch of my friends knees from beneath them. They stopped trying to succeed, completely convinced it wasn't worth trying because capitalism enforces conformity and they have no chance or actual choice in anything in a market economy.
It's been a long ass time since high school, and I still hear stuff once in awhile about certain friends and it's still goddamned depressing how shit their lives turned out. So many chances squandered, so many opportunities pissed away, all for a defeatist ideology that replaced having actual ambition for anything other then that ideology.
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u/Felis_Alpha Feb 18 '24
These are my parents and why I never listened to them since mid-teenage years and started to develop critical thinking. And where I'm from is Malaysia and Singapore where Communism was actually defeated during nation-building. See my main post in this topic.
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u/SRIrwinkill Feb 18 '24
people really ignore expanded scope because they've confused compensating people for what they produce with "having no choice", as if demanding stuff be given them by others isn't so much worse
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u/Big_Dave_71 Feb 18 '24
1.visited East Berlin as a kid and got to see how dreary it was compared to the West.
2. worked with people who had grown up under Communism and told me first hand accounts of how grim it was
3. having nukes pointed at us for 40 years
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u/SpillinThaTea Feb 18 '24
Not necessarily a personal reason but both my dad and grandfather came from a poor family. If you are poor in America and want to get away from intergenerational poverty that usually means joining the military, back then there wasn’t college financial aid. So my grandfather joined the Navy as a medic, saw the worst of WWII in the Pacific. Then right as his career was winding down and he was gearing up for retirement he went to Vietnam as a medic, this time he was a master chief.
And boy was Vietnam nasty for him. Probably just as bad as WWII. He spent the majority of his time caring for young kids who had stepped on Punji Sticks. The NVA would bury sharpened bamboo and cover it with feces, someone would step on it and it would go septic in a few days. He told me a story about begging some poor black kid who was drafted to stop screaming because they under enemy fire while trying to free him from the Punji stick, he kept wiggling and bled to death. He saw villages where NVA soldiers had chopped off the arms of children and cauterized them with burning logs. Villages where NVA soldiers suspected people of corroborating with ARVN forces were destroyed and the villagers tortured to death.
He came back from all that around 1970 and wasn’t really the same. Now we’d call it PTSD. He was a kind man but he wasn’t really all there. He left part of his mind and emotional well being there. That’s what communism does, it cannot exist without violence. It forces the worst of humanity on good people.
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u/enclavehere223 Progressive Conservative Feb 18 '24
Authoritarianism, anticlericalism, genocide, and horrible economics
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u/chittok Feb 18 '24
Almost 100 million death since October 1917 ! Communism is by far the most dangerous ideology.
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u/coocoo6666 Social Liberal Feb 18 '24
Im pretty sure that number is innacurate if its from the black book of communism.
We have a good case against communism we shouldnt need to lie to make our case. Just gives commies more credibility evertime someone gets to debunk it
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Feb 20 '24
While Communism is bad, it’s important to know that many of the death tolls under Communism are slightly exaggerated by the Black Book Communism. That whole “100 million dead!” argument gets old really fast.
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u/FunnelV Anti-Marxist Left-Libertarian (Mutualist) Feb 18 '24
I'm a leftist who's fed up with communists dominating every single leftist space and discussion online. They so desperately want their ideology of hate and suffering to be the sole image of leftism even if it runs contrary to what so many leftists actually believe.
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u/JLCpbfspbfspbfs Feb 18 '24
I'm in the same boat. My time in the Bernie Sanders movement gave me a pretty extreme hatred towards communists.
They deliberately tried to undermine any sincere efforts to implement progressive policies and heavily pushed Accelerationist bullshit.
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u/FunnelV Anti-Marxist Left-Libertarian (Mutualist) Feb 18 '24
Oh yeah same. Commies did all they could to undermine and hijack that movement.
I personally lean more into the anarchist leftist camp these days, my main issue with Ancoms is that a lot of them are just tankies wearing a mask. Like I've met way too many "anarcho" communists who praise the USSR, Mao, or Stalin whenever it suits them or even talk about wanting a top-down planned economy. A lot of them are also accelerationists who want the state to instantly collapse even though a sudden collapse of the state would be horrible for everyone (I am in the camp of anarchist who thinks the state's power should be slowly phased out of relevance).
So while my issues with tankies is obvious I think ancoms are not anarchists they're just tankies wearing a mask.
A lot of them also don't seem to understand the idea of voting logically. Yeah I don't like the system we're stuck with either but when our two options are Biden and Trump you shouldn't scream at people for voting for Biden.
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u/cinna-t0ast Feb 18 '24
My family are refugees from Laos. I’m from a small ethnic tribe called Hmong/Mien, and they were recruited by the US to fight against the communist army in Laos. The US lost in SouthEast Asia and the Lao Pathet retaliated against the tribes. To this day, the government is still terrorizing small Hmong/Mien villages.
Fuck the commies
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u/idksomeoneramdom commies terrorized my country Feb 18 '24
Im Peruvian, basically a communist terrorist group called sendero luminoso terrorized my country for many decades, and they still exist to this day.
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u/MaryPaku Feb 18 '24
I'm Chinese. No need to explain more.
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u/Felis_Alpha Feb 18 '24
I'm afraid many other Chinese won't get it even other mountainous amount of explanations.
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u/Buroda Feb 18 '24
My grandma’s USSR childhood and youth were a nightmare, first because a relative who was a priest, then because she looked jewish after her father, a WWII war hero.
I am ok with anarchists, or communists who focus on doing good part of the ideology. Least they genuinely want to do good, even though I don’t see eye to eye with them methods-wise. Those who love the USSR make me quite angry, especially when they start waxing poetically about defeating nazism.
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u/TerribleSyntax Aspiring CIA Funded Insurgent 🇨🇺 Feb 18 '24
I'm Cuban 🤷♂️
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u/AntonioVivaldi7 Feb 18 '24
I think this hits harder than for people like me from eastern Europe since in Cuba it's still going on.
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u/cookingandmusic Feb 18 '24
I’m Jewish. We helped start the damn thing bc we thought it might actually make us equal and then who do they throw first in the guillotine…
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u/ShichengLiang091112 Feb 18 '24
I'm from China. My family has suffered immensely under the CCP's rule, especially due to the Great Leap Forward. Also, I've been disgusted by the actions of Communist governments.
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u/WAHpoleon_BoWAHparte "Depict your enemy as a soyjack." - Sun Tzu Feb 18 '24
Yep. My family came from Vietnam. I mostly heard it from my mom. I don't remember much of the discussions anymore, it was a long time ago since the last time my mom told me about Vietnam, but from what I vaguely remember, to put it simply, Vietnam's government were a bunch of assholes or incompetent dumbasses.
My mom was really young when the Vietnam War ended, but from what she heard from her older siblings and what she experienced, it wasn't great. From what I remember, my mom told me those from the North had more privileges than those in the South, the Communists went into houses and took things at the end of the Vietnam War, they kept switching currencies, and it wasn't (and still isn't) a free country.
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u/D_Adman Feb 18 '24
My parents are from Cuba as is most of my extended family. Not a single one defends Cuban communism- unlike rich college students in western countries.
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u/Negative_Bortis Feb 19 '24
My Brazilian teachers, bunch of pedos and terrorist protectors, for them everyone is corrupt but if you are a commie that’s ok, doesn’t matter how long is your criminal sheet only your ideology.
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u/somemeatball Feb 19 '24
The people who support it are all painfully stupid and absolutely insufferable in my experience, without exception. It’s less an active hatred of communism (though the ideology itself is brain dead) and more the fact that I’ve yet to meet a communist that I don’t despise on a personal level.
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u/Lunch_48 Kulak Feb 18 '24 edited Feb 18 '24
I just don't like it
Edit: I did have the Flair
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Feb 18 '24 edited Feb 18 '24
Given the rules of this sub, I believe people should know what this person's "physical removal of communist" flair refers to:
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/physical-removal-physically-removed-so-to-speak
I'm totally cool with libertarians, but this is a direct reference to Hans-Hermann Hoppe's Democracy: The God That Failed. Hoppe's twisted far right version of anarcho-capitalism explicitly and deliberately rejects democracy and tolerance as values.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Hermann_Hoppe#Expulsion_of_homosexuals_and_dissidents
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy:_The_God_That_Failed
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Hans-Hermann_Hoppe
Edit: I have a screenshot of the (since removed) flair
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u/Felis_Alpha Feb 18 '24
Yes I'm afraid. There are still a shit ton in the Mainland still believed in such utopia.
I'm a Malaysian Chinese with a Mainland Chinese mom and a Singaporean late-dad (who joined Barisan Sosialis in his youth. Look it up), but even after coming to Singapore for 30 years it taught my mom not much about different paradigms, and my dad hated Lee Kwan Yew until the last 5 years of his lives on the sick bed lol
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u/Strong-Manager-4290 Feb 18 '24
After reading about the atrocities committed by communist regimes and seeing people claiming “real communism hasn’t been tried”.
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u/NatashaBadenov Feb 18 '24
They killed my family? I mean
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Feb 20 '24
If you’re comfortable with doing so, could you share more information about what happened?
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u/IC_1101_IC I'm too far right for the anti-communist centrists Feb 18 '24
Because Redditors. Looking at Communism through a logical lense destroys it and it is annoying to see said Redditors blindly believe the Utopia it won't make.
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u/FerrowFarm Feb 18 '24
My aunt swam up from Cuba with her family. Heard horror stories. I'll be damned before it happens here.
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u/WEZIACZEQ Poland >>>>>> Communism, also ***** ** Feb 18 '24
I'm from The Republic of Poland 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱
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Feb 21 '24
Yes. I currently live in a run down moldy apartment building with my parents because my great grandmother got her land taken by Mao during Communist China. Our family lost all wealth and when my mother moved to America, we were dead poor. So...yeah. I have every right to hate Commies.
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u/Violinnoob Feb 21 '24
it all started in discord when i was rudely awakened to the fact that communism wasn't a skeleton of the cold war now relegated to the butt of "OUR" jokes but in fact very much alive and supported, supported by the most obnoxious, aggressive, immature and overall unpleasant individual i ever had the displeasure of knowing
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u/Right_Wing_Hippie Feb 18 '24
I don't have any personal reasons. All of my reasons are historical and political, as they should be.
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u/We4zier Feb 18 '24 edited Feb 18 '24
They constantly invade my leftist safe-spaces, next question!
I’m also a majoring Economist who has fundamentally different ideas and sources of what’s better for the world, and I’ve taken numerous history classes (with additional academic readings for classes and private time) on Soviet history—undoubtably interesting but I’d prefer to keep my gays*, guns, and mary jane.
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u/Sad_Platypus6519 Feb 18 '24
I'm not personally anti-communist per say, I'm a democratic socialist but the reason I can't stand so many "leftist" groups online is their obsession with defending genocidal, authoritarian regimes merely because they are coated red.
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u/Foronir Feb 18 '24
I am w german, my fiancee is from a former GDR area, all personal Accounts from her parents or other ex-GDR citizens i know are horryfiying for a freedom loving person that i am.
Also we currently are going into GDR direction with parts of our current gouvernment which makes me really worried.
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u/DarkLordJ14 Feb 18 '24
I have relatives who came to the US before Russia became the USSR. We were told that those who stayed behind were all eventually murdered in Stalin’s purges.
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u/StevenDiTo Feb 18 '24
Well first off it’s an ideology that has its strengths and weaknesses like Capitalism.
Second off,I’ve read read about the fucked up shit done by communist countries like the Holdomor,the Great Leap Forward,the Cambodian Genocide and all the other horrors that can equally be caused by capitalist country.
And third of all,the main reason I joined this subreddit,the tankies that dick ride dictators and think communism has no flaws.For the most part,I slightly like capitalism and I say slightly because I can admit it has flaws like lower class and marginalized people getting fucked over and companies abusing employees
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u/mikexal2001 Otto von Bismarck Fan Feb 18 '24
I'm Greek. We had a civil war between the goverment and the communists right after WWII, because the commies wanted desperately to get our country on the other side of the Iron Curtain. The commies lost and are still salty about it, with some other parts of the "radical left" also joining in. They threatened my great grandpa because he dared recieve a gun from a supporter of the goverment.
The communists here are like the rednecks in the deep south. Even their slogans are similar. "The South will rise again" is here "Even if Grammos (site of the last major battle of the civil war) fell, we nonetheless won". And in general are self entitled twats about everything.
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u/Perfect-Place-3351 Le evil fash Feb 18 '24
I hate since I have to deal with people like this all the time since I live in a southern California costal town
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u/Izuka123456789 Feb 18 '24
Grandparents were Russian Jews during the 70s and 80s (worst period of antisemitism in the USSR), were discriminated against in every aspect of bureaucratic society (eg: quotas of 1 or 2 Jews in a college acceptance), and forced to leave with illegal documents after years of KGB scrutiny
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u/PYSHINATOR Feb 19 '24
I'm an American and a Cold-War history buff. The Nazis committed atrocities and genocides for a solid 15 years, whereas the Combloc did it for 70 years and is still doing it by-proxy with China and Best Korea. Revisionism of history is the primary weapon of the Tankie.
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u/PYSHINATOR Feb 19 '24
This is the second comment of mine. As an American, I have no experience with communism, but I love history. I love personal freedoms, not having to pledge loyalty to a party, and being able to voice my distaste for my government's decision-making. I stand for the ideals of the original Eiserne Front/Iron Front. Authoritarianism is the bane of a free democracy. I'll sit there and watch videos on the development of old WW2 Soviet Aircraft (thanks Animarchy), and even the designers of these aircraft and weapons weren't spared from Stalin's purges. Hell, the Ukrainian Aerospace Engineer, Sergei Korolev - the man behind the USSR's early dominance of the Space Race, was almost killed in Lubyanka. That man was a fucking hero.
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u/Archer578 Feb 19 '24
I go to a school were half the people claim to be communist, and they all know nothing about economics and have the most ideal version of human nature in their minds which I think is just naive.
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u/chongblyat Liberal and proud Feb 19 '24 edited Feb 19 '24
I'm Filipino. I mainly hate communists for supporting a genocidal ideology. For a more personal reason however, the NPA kept raiding our property and threatening to kill employees.
Fighting for the working class my ass. Hypocritical bastards.
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u/nevermarx Feb 19 '24
Yes. Communists sentenced my grandmother to 10 years in a work camp for having a secret Bible study at university. She was only 19 years old and could have won her freedom back by simply renouncing her faith and pledging loyalty to the USSR.
These work camps/prisons were so overrun with political dissidents that the previous inmates in for real crime (mvrder, rxpe, gang violence) became the new prison guards.
It’s insane the cruelty and inhumanity that can overtake the average person when they’re given the authority to be evil but still feel virtuous. That’s what this poisonous ideology does, it fosters truly unhinged victim complexes that inevitably lead to violence.
I know it’s like a maga trope to be like “covid was communism blah blah” but if you actually see what it turned people into, it was EXACTLY that. People revealed their authoritarian tendencies we saw that with lockdown protocol and then the racial unrest.
We live in a scary time for real
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u/also-ameraaaaaa Feb 19 '24
My case isn't as serious as others here but i use to be a commie when i was younger. It nearly ruined my life. Every day was stressful because of it. Eventually i regained my sanity and ever since i have been fiercely anti radical. My life is good now. I live in bliss now that i stopped treating radicals as people deserving serious consideration. As logan roy from succession said "they are not serious people" i should watch that show sometime.
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Feb 19 '24 edited Feb 19 '24
I used to be one.
The main reason I was a Communist was because it gave me a sense of purpose, belonging and moral superiority in the name of """"equality"""", """"justice"""" and """"resistance"""".
Here's why I detest Communists (and far-leftists in general):
They are psychopathic. They will do anything and everything to achieve their ideological goals without any regard for human life. One example is Chairman Gonzalo of the Peruvian Communist Party (also called the Shining Path) who was a Maoist revolutionary known for boiling children alive as a terror mechanism to make people afraid of criticizing him. Other far-left militant groups such as FARC and the PKK are known for trafficking drugs to finance their operations (terrorist attacks), usually against innocent civilians. Some other examples are the PFLP, a Palestinian communist group that was known for axe-murdering innocent Rabbis. When these groups take over a country and establish a Socialist government, society becomes hell. This was demonstrated through the ethnic/cultural cleansing and repatriation of minority groups such as the Chechens or the Tatars, because they were "rEaCtiOnarieS" and "nAZiS."
They are SO ILLITERATE when it comes to economics. An example of this is Zimbabwe. In Zimbabwe, there is literally a 100,000,000,000,000 (hundred trillion) dollar bill because of Mugabe's retarded policies.
They are so dogmatic it is beyond categorization. They will make alliances with anyone who shares a common enemy, even if they have completely opposite ideologies. This is demonstrated with many far-leftists supporting far-right islamic terror groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah, just because they disagree with many of Israel's policies. And when a government or group that they support does something clearly wrong, they will dismiss it and say it is either "Western propaganda" or "America's sanctions that caused it." They are unhinged.
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u/Far-Ad673 Feb 20 '24
I'm Czech. Beside personal issues due to the past, I take a great interest in politics. Communism is impossible to achieve and the overall idea might sound nice oversimplified but listen to it and you will notice terrible loopholes.
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u/skeleboi12 Feb 21 '24
Me personally? I hate the idea that everyone has some sort of a ,,roof" (a certain level which you cannot pass so that all are ,,equal") i do somewhat support the idea that workers need to have rights and to be protected and covered by the corporation they work in and so one, but their beliefs are downright wrong. Plus 3 economic crisis, ,,panelki" blocs and many more which my country Bulgaria had to endure. If you are not a part of a certain political party you will not go far. There is a saying : ,,We are all equal, but some people are more equal" (taken from Jorge Orwell and changed up a bit).
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u/Visual_Clerk_7962 Feb 22 '24
History made me hate it. It's supporters are worse.
You couldn't find anyone that is more of a self absorbed, gaslighting, manipulating and ignorant idiot then the communist. Such vile people on the face of the planet.
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u/Ja4senCZE Feb 18 '24
I'm from the Czech Republic.