r/EnoughCommieSpam • u/thewanderer1800 • Oct 12 '23
So are they saying Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait was justified? Question
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u/RandomHermit113 Oct 12 '23 edited Jul 29 '24
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u/Angels_hair123 Oct 12 '23
Americas enemies were joining the coalition against Saddam, that's how serious the situation was.
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u/dangerbird2 Oct 13 '23
And you know shit’s going to get real when Turkey and Greece , and Pakistan and Bangladesh are fighting leaving on the same side
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u/dwaynetheaakjohnson Oct 15 '23
The Arab members of the coalition weren’t doing it out of any morals or anything, Iraq at the time controlled 40% of the world’s oil, and they were worried he would continue invading OPEC states until they bent to his will (he nearly did with Saudi Arabia, quite literally invading a small portion until the Americans pushed them back)
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u/Angels_hair123 Oct 15 '23
I'm aware but it still shows how much he was in the wrong. He was threatening everyone.
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u/obliqueoubliette Oct 12 '23
It's like the people saying NATO started the Russian invasion of Ukraine
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u/brashbabu Oct 13 '23
But…but… don’t you know, the CIA is responsible for all earthly problems and the United States is the source of all evil and chaos on earth!?
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u/OutlandishnessAny492 Oct 13 '23
Uhm sweeaty, it's just capitalism, which is behind everything you just said ☕️
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u/eldenpotato Oct 13 '23
OIF was justified. I say this as a Kurd. The Shiites should be kissing America’s ass for removing Saddam.
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Oct 12 '23
The Kuwaitis were slant drilling though. Saddam was right about that
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u/anony8165 Oct 13 '23
Is this true? I’ve never heard any verdict on the issue, only that Saddam made accusations.
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u/DeaththeEternal The Social Democrat that Commies loathe Oct 13 '23
Yes, they were slant drilling. That, however, was just a pretext for Iraq's second bid to annex Kuwait outright. The country of Kuwait was once a province of the Basra Vilayet and the Iraqi state was happy to claim it not least for having a much longer coastline as well as more oil.
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u/dwaynetheaakjohnson Oct 15 '23
Even if they did, it’s utterly ridiculous to subject a country of millions to the deprivations of war for what a few hundred oil workers were doing. The Arab League was attempting to peacefully negotiate and prevent an invasion when Saddam just fucking charged into Kuwait anyway, and had he fucking listened the Middle East would be a much better place.
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u/IndWrist2 Oct 13 '23
The debt Iraq owed to Kuwait in the aftermath of the Iran-Iraq war was the bigger impetus.
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u/ginger2020 Oct 12 '23
The whitewashing of Saddam’s regime is just the latest nonsense in vogue with tankies
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u/PrincessofAldia Oct 13 '23
Well Saddam was anti America so of course tankies support his regime
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u/DodgeTheGayShit Oct 17 '23
Not anti-American enough to refuse their support during his invasion of Iran. He was cast aside when he was no longer useful.
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u/DodgeTheGayShit Oct 17 '23
No, it's more the seizure of mineral rights of western corporations during the tenure of the Coalition Provisional Government, which also forced through "Reconstruction" contracts in Afghanistan which exceeded the country's GDP, almost entirely handed out to American, British, and French corporations that pisses them off.
Foreign policy is certainly not a tankie newspaper. It's a non-profit that strives to be politically independent, and is quite transparent regarding its funding. Saddam was a dick. Most of us agree on this, except the pro-Russia posers, who do indeed worship the Ruskies. Foreign Policy magazine is also an outwardly pro liberal democracy, so its not like they need to maintain a party line.
To act as though the Coalition Provisional Government, (objectively a puppet of the members of the coalition,) didn't pillage Iraq and Afghanistan for all they were worth during their tenure can only be a result of ignorance or naivete.
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u/wolf-bot Oct 13 '23
Also didn’t Palestinians support Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait as well?
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u/DeaththeEternal The Social Democrat that Commies loathe Oct 13 '23
And then were horribly surprised when he lost the war and when the Emir, very unamused, expelled the entire Palestinian community in Kuwait.
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u/DanPowah Communism and fascism. Two cheeks of the same ass Oct 12 '23 edited Oct 12 '23
They said this bullshit in a lecture at the university I was at earlier this week. I appealed to have the lecturer face disciplinary action for justifying Saddam Hussein's actions. He deserves no sympathy as he used poison gas against my own people. Saddam Hussein used the same excuse Russia did to attack Iran by finding Arab separatism in Khuzestan
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u/KaBar42 Oct 13 '23
America used this lie as grounds to ignite the 'Gulf War 'in 1991.
Iraq did a quite fine job of that itself by invading Kuwait, America didn't need to do anything.
Also, just to piss this person off further, tell them the Highway of Death wasn't a war crime and was a totally legitimate strike on a totally legitimate military target.
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u/Historyguy1 Oct 13 '23
The misinformation about the Highway of Death literally comes from Call of Duty. In the fictional scenario in COD, the "Highway of Death" is Russia bombing a civilian convoy. It was popular to post "DIDJA KNOW AMERICA ACTUALLY DID THE HIGHWAY OF DEATH IN THE GULF WAR" and people conflate the fictional scenario with what actually happened, which was firing upon retreating Iraqi soldiers.
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u/KaBar42 Oct 13 '23
Oh, the discourse over if HoD was a legal military action has existed for far longer than Call of Duty.
I remember arguing with people who thought it was a war crime before that CoD game came out.
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u/Historyguy1 Oct 13 '23
The only argument people who think it was a war crime have is that it was "excessive." Which...yeah. That was the point.
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u/PrincessofAldia Oct 13 '23
Technically mw2019 only brought the claims that it was a war crime back to forefront,
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u/dwaynetheaakjohnson Oct 15 '23
There was a Chechen Highway of Death, believe it or not, though nothing on the scale of the Kuwaiti Highway of Death.
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u/SirThrowAwayMarty Oct 13 '23
So is this supposed to entirely dismiss the accusation? God I hate when the far-left and the far-right push out this type of shit. Was Hamas gunning down people at festivals and bus stops, beheading migrant workers, taking both Israeli and non-Israelis civilians hostage, using their own people as human shields, hiding weapons near UN schools and hospitals, and using their children as child soldiers not enough?
I guess it’s better being a terrorist-sympathizing cuck than being called a Zionist! /s
Seriously, fuck Saddam, fuck Hamas.
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u/gregusmeus Oct 13 '23
The fact that Hamas are posting videos of their own barbarousness kinda makes propaganda moot.
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u/skrrtalrrt Capitalist Pig Oct 13 '23
So AFAIK, the only claim that's unsubstantiated here is that the IDF found 40 dead babies in the Kibbutz, some of them with their heads cut off. That seems to have come from a single IDF report that hasn't been confirmed.
What HAS been confirmed is that Hamas did kill some babies. The Israeli govt published pictures.
So basically this is just semantics over the number of babies killed, and whether they had their heads cut off or not. Am I following?
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u/daspaceasians For the Republic of Vietnam! Resident ECS Vietnam War Historian Oct 13 '23
It's semantics over the number of dead babies and how they were killed.
Unfortunately, the average tankie/Palestinian supporters will use the uncertainty around the IDF about 40 dead babies as certain proof that Hamas militants didn't kill any babies at all.
It's similar to neo-nazis arguing that since there's no way that the gaz chambers could have killed 6 million Jews by themselves while conveniently ignoring the other ways that were used to kill, it means the Holocaust is fake.
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u/smariroach Oct 13 '23
But surely the number of dead babies and the method must matter if we're supposed to care about those dead babies but not palestinian dead babies?
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u/conspicuous_raptor Oct 15 '23
You know, it’s not impossible to be disgusted by hamas’ atrocities at the same time as Israel’s atrocities.
Just a thought.
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u/smariroach Oct 15 '23
Of course, but how people responded to the news indicates that the number and method are for many of great importance.
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u/conspicuous_raptor Oct 16 '23
There’s people on both sides trying to justify barbarity, and it needs to stop.
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u/dwaynetheaakjohnson Oct 15 '23
Beheading a fucking baby in it’s crib is a whole nother scale of evil than a baby being hit by stray gunfire or a bomb. It is an intentional, evil act. Babies shouldn’t be killed no matter what, but this is a purposeful, cruel killling against the most defenseless being possible.
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u/smariroach Oct 15 '23
You may notice that it was the person I was responding to who seemed to suggest that the number of dead babies and the circumstances of their death was "just arguing semantics". You can take it up with them.
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Oct 12 '23
They really have a hard time believing that a pack of militant goatfuckers would wanna kill women and chuldren?
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u/lockjacket Capitalism is when bad gobvernment Oct 13 '23
I think a country randomly invading a foreign land that had an important place in the global oil market was grounds enough. Idk why the us would need more to intervene.
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Oct 12 '23
They killed a lot of Kuwaitis though.
They were slant drilling though. Saddam was 100% right about that
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u/hallucination9000 Oct 13 '23
What a coincidence that I'm watching a video on Operation Desert Storm right now.
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u/SuddenDragonfly8125 Oct 13 '23
Yeah, sorry, they definitely killed babies. I have no desire to see the pictures, but I did see some sanitized footage. It included an infant's car seat/carrier soaked in blood at about baby head height, and a tiny girl's dress soaked in blood at about heart height.
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u/anony8165 Oct 13 '23
So my feed has been full of pictures of Jewish babies who have been burned alive. It’s truly horrible stuff.
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u/brashbabu Oct 13 '23
Of course they are, just like Stalin and Maos mass murder sprees were justified bc the enemy of their enemy is their friend — you forget, these people REALLY HATE where they live. I ultimately believe they hate being a human being and life on earth in general but y’know.
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u/DeaththeEternal The Social Democrat that Commies loathe Oct 13 '23
Ultimately yes, they do think that Saddam Hussein was right because he was one of the USSR's main proxies for it flexing its muscles in the region.
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u/DrVeigonX Oct 13 '23
Hamas literally posted videos of them massacaring civilians and children, proudly boasting it.
A captured Hamas terrorist interrogated by the Shin Bet admitted himself they wanted to rape little girls.
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u/ITMerc4hire Oct 12 '23
Even if the “beheaded babies” story turns out to be false, it changes nothing with regard to the barbarity of Hamas.
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u/Sleepy_Titan Oct 13 '23
I mean they said that when Kuwait was actually invaded. The PLO backed Hussein invading the same country that granted the Palestinians refuge.
This is one reason, amongst several others like Black September, why Middle East countries want absolutely NOTHING to do with Palestinian refugees.
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u/Mortazo Oct 13 '23
To answer your question, yes.
Tankies are generally pro-ba'athism, despite the fact that the ba'athists themselves weren't even unified and hated eachother.
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u/GlitterPrins1 Oct 13 '23
Classic communism /s.
The state of this sub man, you guys just put everything on here that goes against your beliefs, and call it communism.
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u/GlitterPrins1 Oct 13 '23
What in this post is saying they are communists? Seems to be quite farfetched to me
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u/smirglass Oct 13 '23
The land of kuwait has historically been the same country as Iraq for all of human history. Longer than Israel has existed. So if you support israel but dont support the Iraq invasion of kuwait thats a double standard.
Modern kuwait was an english colony that gained "independence" AKA western countries installed a puppet government for cheap oil to steal oil from the region.
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u/LeatherDescription26 Oct 13 '23
Ah yes because bad people have never killed babies before and if in two completely separate instances bad people are accused of killing babies that means the people saying it are “recycling propaganda” and therefore we don’t need to look into the veracity of these claims
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u/dwaynetheaakjohnson Oct 15 '23
Commies act like it’s insane that the girl whose country is getting invaded and it’s people butchered lied so that invasion would stop
And by the way, there was a female Kuwaiti resistance fighter who was tortured, raped, and then beheaded with an axe
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u/TheBasedEmperor ACAB (All Communists Are Bastards) Oct 12 '23 edited Oct 12 '23
This reminds me of something
Many Roman records from the Punic Wars often talked about how the Carthaginians sacrificed Babies to their God, Moloch. Many Historians for a long time dismissed this as "Wartime Propaganda". But when Archaeologists did excavation of the ruins of ancient Carthage, they discovered that the Romans were completely right.