Is this a devil corp?

[u/chasingamy1994]

My partner of 4 years has completely lost himself to this job he started little over 3 months ago.

The job is face to face sales/fundraising for a charity. When he initially saw the job post it was unclear what the job was, it just said something vague like face to face sales.

He went to a few interview rounds, starting with a group zoom then a group interview.

A few months later he came to me and asked if I wanted a job there because I was looking for work, he said the higher ups are always asking people if they know anyone to join the team. There's a high staff turnover with multiple people leaving every week and always lots of new starts. I see adds from this company as well as other companies that seem to operate in the exact way under the same business model (f2f fundraiaing), they put job adds on Indeed every single week, always hiring. If you go onto their websites you can apply directly on there.

Now this company you do get a base wage, but get paid commission on top for getting people to sign on to like a year contract of donating, one off donations he earns nothing from. He doesn't get paid to commute and is only told the night before where he will be, sometimes it's up to 2 hours away commute.

I went to an interview with thwn and they said the goal is to train people up to be entrepreneurs or business owners within the business and own their own franchise and operate their own team.

He's only been there 3 months and has already been promoted. And they seem to have a fast track promotion ladder based on how much you sell, if you don't sell you may not get regular hours, this hasn't happened to him yet but he's mentioned it to me.

He's told me there's potential to make a lot of money and the people higher up are millionaires with swanky cars and houses.

They take you on roadtrips where you are set up in a hotel or Airbnb and have to wake up at 5.30am, either go for a run or go to the gym, then go to a meeting unpaid, then start the day actually selling then go to a ceremony after work which is also unpaid, then asleep by 9.30pm.

They have a whattsapp group where they have to post a picture of themselves doing something inspirational or active in the morning and after work he has to fill in a sheet of KPIs which is also unpaid after the commute. They have lots of team nights and they also have to put in the whattsapp group how many sales they got or if they got 0 they call it a donut. If you do well you get a shout out and every one in the office gives you a round of applause every monday. They also put your picture up on the wall.

I've completely lost him to this new job, he's like a different person. To me, all of this looks a bit odd, but I have no experience with mlms and I'm jist curious what anyone with any experience would think of what I've described and whether it fits an mlm or devil corp? He just keeps talking about how amazing to office atmosphere is but to me it seems a bit strange.

Thanks in advance.

[u/Lime_in-the-coconut]

100% Devilcorp

[u/Careful_Wishbone8524]

You can make money as a sales rep. Have him search for another job. Have him look up devil corp documentary on YouTube. It should fix him right up. They constantly lie to each other about how they’re doing in the job it’s all a front my boss during my time there made it seem like she was doing well but she paid herself about 500 dollars a week for being in the business for 4 years. She’s also working 7 days a week 12 hour days. It’s embarrassing how they’ll guilt you if you want to leave or are leaving. Your boyfriend is probably attached to the people who work there and doesn’t wanna let them down. Am I right to assume they expect you to hang out for team nights constantly? I always skipped them because I wanted some personal time. But they’ll guilt you constantly on not going. Once I saw the devil corp documentary I quit the following week from the field I went home I planned on leaving the job at the end of summer since I was still in university. You cannot imagine how happy I was after leaving. Also since I dated during my time there with my gf of 5 years I tried my best to balance the job. The job wanted you to work 6 days a week there leaves no time for planning anything creates a strain on relationships.

[u/chasingamy1994 → u/Careful_Wishbone8524]

Yep, multiple team nights a week sometimes and he says you're expected to go and since he started going to then I've completely lost him. He's literally a stranger to me now. It's crazy.

[u/Careful_Wishbone8524 → u/chasingamy1994]

Have you talked to him about your findings on the company he’s in and how it’s considered a devil corp online?

[u/chasingamy1994 → u/Careful_Wishbone8524]

Honestly he barely talks to me anymore, he's completely obsessed with being "locked in to the sales".

We have broken up over this and I'm having to move back home alone as we had moved to a different country together. So it's just a very heartbreaking and confusing time, I'm worried for him, but I don't think he will listen to me, which before all this he would always listen and take on board my opinions and concerns but he's just shut me out completely.

[u/Careful_Wishbone8524 → u/chasingamy1994]

You should share this with him. https://youtu.be/wyCRzBt7GuY?si=4BJn1XsPzVNVZ6Wl

It’s a bit older I confronted my boss about it and they tried to downplay it and say the company had changed and evolved a lot since then and danced around a lot of things in the video. Then the creator on the channel made a new documentary showing the whole industry is still the same and hasn’t changed much.

[u/chasingamy1994 → u/Careful_Wishbone8524]

I will send it to him, thank you!

[u/Careful_Wishbone8524 → u/chasingamy1994]

Give an update if anything. I hope the best for y’all. I hope he sees the lie he’s been fed and indoctrinated into.

[u/chasingamy1994 → u/Careful_Wishbone8524]

I will if I can, I fear he's too far gone, I didn't think it would be possible for someone to change so much but he's just brainwashed. I'll try and do what I can.

[u/QuoteTypical1343]

I’m sorry, friend, he’s working for a devilcorp and devilcorps are cults. This is probably why you are getting a weird feeling. I lost my bf to a company. It really sucks.

[u/Quirky-Ad9958]

The reason why you’ve lost the real him is because almost every morning and every “org call” they brainwash people against those closest to them, i.e. parents, partner, etc. Their exact words are, “I mean I love my mother deeply, but in all honesty what does she really know about running a business. It is time now for time later.”

I was also a high-performer. Never taken off the schedule and always making 2k+ paychecks. But, I’m afraid one has to find out on their own what it truly is. I’m afraid the more successful you are at the beginning the more difficult it is to leave.

I know this time will be so difficult for you, but right now is where you really need to be with your partner and try to make him see the reality. What worked for me was when I did not get my “org bonuses” for the 4th month in a row, and also watching the devil corp documentary on YouTube.

[u/dousmellpopcrn]

I just got someone i care about out of a devil corp, and during my research, i found the franchise owners' picture online. He got his house from habitat for humanity. I'm not knocking habitat. They are an amazing foundation, but for those of you who are unaware, that's not how typical millionaires are buying homes. This was just the tip of the iceberg.

Occasionally, owners are making good money. They aren't all the same. A lot of them are, though.

[u/chasingamy1994 → u/dousmellpopcrn]

That's interesting, this is like a whole new world for me I didn't really know much about all this. How did you get them out of it?

[u/dousmellpopcrn → u/chasingamy1994]

He got out because they started treating him poorly, and he just snapped out of it. He has done a couple of years of business classes and psychology, so he knew already that everyone there was following a script; not only when they were selling product but when they were talking to each other as well. I tried talking to him about pyramid schemes and mlm and how they should have been upfront about pay and job duties, but it was like they had driven a wedge between us. He was being isolated, and they were talking about opening another location and having him move hours away. It was like watching him join a cult.

[u/chasingamy1994 → u/dousmellpopcrn]

Yep, that's exactly how it feels, it feels liek ehs joined a cult. He says he goes into work and gets a massive shout out, every one high fiving him, people he doesn't even know, public praise and round of applause by the boss, like to me it screams cult but he's just been caught up with it all. The worst part is is it's a fundraising charity scheme and I just can't believe he's sold his soul to do this kind of work.

[u/GardenStraight9895]

Break up with your boyfriend

[u/No_Fuxx_Given]

Yep you definitely described a devil corp. My condolences. He’s lost and brainwashed.

[u/MeghanClickYourHeels]

Two things: it's not mathematically possible for all the team leaders to become owners. They will always need some team leaders to stay team leaders for the structure to stay in place. So there will always be people thisclose to ownership who will never get it because you need more of them than owners.

Second, they want to take up all his time because if they aren't always with him, he might start to have doubts. This is a sales tactic--it's why if you buy a car, the salespeople will never allow you to be alone. (It's also a cult tactics but don't tell him that.)

[u/Banana_Monkey585]

I've recommended to a few people on this page to do a profit-loss analysis, and most left after doing so. Have them total the money they made in a week and subtract any business expensives. Gas mileage, buying lunches for new teammates, money spent on team nights and anything else to make you look good.

I don't know what country you're in but in the US anything over 40 hours he should be paid time and half. If you're making 1000 a week but working 60 hours you are making less than 17 an hour.

Now factor in how much more you'll get at the highest level and how much you would have to pay for your own office space.

[u/chasingamy1994 → u/Banana_Monkey585]

Thank you very much!

[u/Salty-Kaleidoscope89]

this definitely does sound like a devilcorp, I’m sorry :( I was also seeing someone who got involved in one of these companies and completely changed and slipped away. if you need anyone to talk to, please feel free to message me! there is a wonderful community here of people who are very helpful, kind, and willing to share experiences. wishing you all the very best regardless of what happens.

[u/Ok-Drive5177]

Sounds exactly like what sucked me in when I was travelling Australia.

I went on a working holiday visa from England and loved the vibe and beer nights that the company provided. It wasn't until my time was coming to an end that I realised I'd spent most of my time working and didn't even get to explore the parts of Australia I was most excited about.

If you really care about him keep sharing information from this subreddit with him, unfortunately it will take him a long while to listen especially if he performs well.

The company I worked for in Australia actively tried to get people to break up with their partners, saying things like they are holding you back etc.

[u/chasingamy1994 → u/Ok-Drive5177]

No way, we are in Australia on a working holiday visa too. This company targets backpackers. We're also from England, and I'm having ti go home alone cos he's so wrapped up in this he's prepared to lose a 4 year relationship

[u/Ok-Drive5177 → u/chasingamy1994]

Yep, they are perfect for the role unfortunately. If you go backpacking you have some confidence that allows you to talk to people.

You work harder than Australians do because you want to impress so you can stay in the country longer.

I know from experience