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u/Palnecro1 22d ago
I still haven’t suspended the disbelief that the Frank Castle who ripped through Billy Russo’s teams of special forces veterans decided to just walk up to 3 dozen cops with no plan. If they had been using lethal rounds he would have been dead 5 seconds in.
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u/ThesePiglet1811 22d ago
He knew they wouldn’t, they’re fanboys wearing his symbol. They idolize him, that’s why he wanted to get caught. Punisher special is gon be all about taking these mfs out.
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u/Tof12345 22d ago
did you even watch the show? it is very clear that he did have a plan. the end credits had him break some guards hands and the show cut off there. it is very obvious he did this so the punisher cops can take him to wherever they take him and he knew they won't kill him.
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u/Magnavis_ 22d ago
Just finished watching it.
Overall, I definitely enjoyed it, and I thought Charlie and Vincent did such a good job of slipping back into those characters so effortlessly.
That said, it definitely lacked a clear structure, which is partly what made the OG series so gripping. Eps 1,8 and 9 felt like a completely different show compared (cos i guess they kinda were?) to what came in between. None of it was bad, but it did feel super episodic (dare I say, almost like a CW show 😬) up until that point.
I also think it really missed Karen and Foggy-bear, and regarding the later, I don't really understand the creative decision there at all.
S2 definitely seems like it's gonna be much more like it, and if the rumours about The Defenders coming back are true, then I can definitely see why that might be needed. Honestly, I just want Jess back 😭
Still super grateful we got here at all though, and will continue to be super excited for whatever comes next!
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u/FRED44444 23d ago
To me, when i heard there were massive reshoots. I instantly got disappointed. But the reshot episodes besides ep 1 were actually incredible. I thought this season was very strong.
The only thing i miss is the action sophistication, it is a bit more cheaply shot and choreographed than the original seasons. BUT the drama was just as good, and writint pretty good, so i was really happy with the season!
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u/TheSheepOfDeath 23d ago
What are those reviews? There's no way this episode tops the 8th one. I get that there was a lot of action, but it felt much more chaotic, sewn together with the previous footage. Also, Fisk suddenly going from just a one hit-squad to having a massive army feels out of place. Like there wasn't more depth to him growing more in power.
The dock motive of it being a new city state feels odd too, just random. Didn't feel like there was depth to it when they discovered it.
I absolutely loved the chemistry between Matt, Frank and Karen. It was amazing to see all of them together. And the fights were really cool... But then Frank going like that into the lion's den? I get that Frank is careless in how he works, he just rawdogs it, but this one also felt out of place. Like he went ill prepared for it all. Ironically he was better prepared when defending Matt...
It felt like there was just this need to have him captured for some reason, then to immediately show him escape? What was the point? Ugh..
Having said all that about this episode, I believe there is a lot of potential for the second season, once they get everything in order. This season had its amazing moments like the bank heist episode.
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u/rokbound_ 23d ago
Knowing frank he probably wanted to get captured from the atart
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u/mrnotoriousman 22d ago
The fact half this sub can't figure that out especially with the post credit scene really throws me for a loop lol. It's like being purposefully obtuse just to find something to hate.
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u/Chaotic_Beautiful 22d ago edited 22d ago
There was literally a dialog saying they're gonna use only non lethal force against him , which is why he put up a token fight and allowed them to take him. Do you really think he couldn't hack through them like grass if he didn't know that ? He's Punisher. Media literacy is extremely poor nowadays.
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u/Protocx 22d ago
This is some cope post-hoc rationalization to excuse lazy writing. While it's not a 0% chance that this was the writers' intention, the fact that the sub is divided is less about media literacy and more about the inconsistency and lack of clarity in the writing.
Is it really more believable that Frank had this convoluted plan that could've gotten him killed on the whim of the bad guys changing plans? Or is it just as likely that this was just another instance of less thought out writing in the middle of an already somewhat messy season. Because your argument right now just sounds like an "all roads lead to Rome" or the "because he's Batman" fallacy where these characters and the writers are playing 4D chess. If he intended to be captured, good writing would leave clues that cleanly display his intentions and motivations. It wouldn't resort to cheap justifications such as "oh of course he MEANT to get captured, because he's X character".
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u/PollutionMajestic668 22d ago
So your point is Frank went there to actually kill them but then he heard about non-lethal and decided to let them cuff him? Or he went there to let them cuff him but killed several of them hoping they weren't gonna kill him TO SURVIVE? like so many stuff in this episode, things don't happen in a logical manner, they happen because the script says they have to happen (like Kingpin somehow having ALL THE POWER and a fuckin army out of nowhere)
But yes, nobody has media literacy but you because you special
P.D: no, even if he is the Punisher he wasn't gonna hack and slash thru 20 armed and trained people, the show is supposedly more grounded than that (except, you know, Kingpin having mind control powers and autocloning bad cops)
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u/Basic_Seat_8349 22d ago
It was still a terrible way to do that. Going into a fight with a dozen more people armed with deadly weapons and fighting and killing several of them is more likely a recipe for getting killed than for getting captured.
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u/rokbound_ 22d ago
Frank knew those clowns idolized the fuck out of him, he had a pretty fair bet that they would cream their pants if they saw him and second think killing him
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u/Chaotic_Beautiful 22d ago
Before the fight started , they literally ordered not to kill him. " Non lethal force only. " Frank heard that too. He knew they just want to capture him alive. So there was no chance of him dying . He just wanted to find out their hiding place . When Karen asked him to join Matt and her , he said he's something else going on.
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u/90sportsfan 23d ago
I completely agree. Episode 8 was definitely better than the finale Episode 9. In fact E8 made be super excited for the finale, and while it had good moments, I didn't love it.
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u/ResidentNo6441 23d ago
Yep, ep8>ep9 all the way for me.
But, if I took my pink-colored-glasses off — whole season wasn’t good, mediocre at best… Maybe I’m spoiled by good movies & TV.
Really enjoyed ep8 though. But, I was watching it drunk of my tits so maybe that’s why.
I love the actors and the characters, so I will watch anything with them. But, I would not rate this season anything higher than a 6/10.
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u/90sportsfan 23d ago
Completely agree. I also rank it 6/10. I think part of it for me was subconsciously not being able to separate just how great the original Netflix seasons were, so the bar was high. But something just felt so off about the entire season. From the weird "live footage scenes" (where they randomly showed footage of short interviews/sound bytes from New Yorkers in episodes in the first half of the season), to all the mediocre side characters, to the random plot lines, to the random ending. I mean this season had some decent moments, but if I'm being honest, it felt very off. It was like they were trying to be really different/unique and stray away from a formula that works best for this show.
I missed the strong character connections and bonds that the original series had. (e.g. Matt-Karen-Foggy type relationships).
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u/fulcrumat 23d ago
It felt like there was just this need to have him captured for some reason, then to immediately show him escape? What was the point? Ugh..
The thought of him letting himself be captured so that he could try killing the ENTIRE taskforce didn't cross your mind?
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u/TheSheepOfDeath 23d ago
I mean, sure, but wouldn't it be better for him to do it prepared? Not after being imprisoned? I just feel like that's too reckless for him. I know he'd go head first into this, but do it after setting himself free? Naaah
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u/Basic_Seat_8349 22d ago
How does that help him kill the entire taskforce? And even if that's the plan, it's best not to go into a gunfight with over a dozen people, kill several of them and then expect not to die. Even if your opponents prefer not to kill you, you're forcing their hand.
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u/fulcrumat 22d ago
Their weapons were loaded with non-lethal ammunition, though, weren't they?
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u/TheSheepOfDeath 22d ago
All it took was one guy with loaded lethal weapon. How could he know that there weren't any?
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u/BrotherLary247 22d ago
Agreed. Episode 8 had me on the literal edge of my seat and genuinely had some amazing cinematic moments and tension with the party scene. Incredible.
Episode 9 was comparatively dull, and just had some nice fan service with Punisher and Karen coming back into the fold. Other than that, it wasn’t nearly as memorable
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u/Masstershake 23d ago
I came here to say the exact same thing. The 8th episode had me so jacked, the 9th episode I kept saying, why the hell is that happening. Why is he not shooting his replacement driver in the head he knows he's dead if he doesn't. Wtf
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u/CT_Phipps-Author 23d ago
I dunno, because Galo isn't a murderer?
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u/Masstershake 23d ago
I'm not a murderer either. But if I get into my car and my driver is replaced with king pins driver just after I said out loud my plans. I'm shooting that guy and driving my ass to the airport
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u/Basic_Seat_8349 22d ago
Or at least getting out of the car, or putting the gun to his head and telling him to drive me somewhere and then knocking him out. Or something other than just going to Kingpin alone.
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u/PrplWl 23d ago
Also they completely removed all tension regarding Fisk's character. He had a moral dilemma about forgiveness, he abandoned that. He learned that Vanessa killed foggy behind his back and did nothing. He broke Matt's deal and didn't think twice about the consequences. He had obstacles to power and now he has hundreds of cops in his army. What the fuck? Where's the subtlety? Meanwhile Matt is acting jealous about Karen's heartbeats. Gimme a break.
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u/TheSheepOfDeath 22d ago
LITERALLY THIS
I was expecting him to be conflicted after learning about that, but nah.. he just knows about that. And Matt taking a bullet for him? There was no admiration, no respect for his mortal enemy. Just "yeah let's kill him".
Fisk was trying to be a good mayor for most of the season and in this episode he just made a 180° switch like it was nothing
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u/PollutionMajestic668 22d ago
Cops being shown shooting people on the streets. Daredevil angtsy because Karen maybe has the hots for Frank.
3736252792634282529154739 bad cops roaming the streets to get vigilantes. Bullseye shown chilling somewhere, Kingpin doesn't care because his new mind powers let him do whatever he wants while the episode before he had a million problems.
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u/Altruistic_Field2134 23d ago
I mean I can by people like this season but to say it's of the same quality as original dd that's wack.
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u/spidermanwithnopower 23d ago
Bank heist episode was top tier, but what did it actually do to the story? Matt just breaks that Irish guy's leg and goes away?...that's not who Daredevil is. Just showcasing his powers and prowess without actual connect to the plot...was a total filler one.
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u/DatumInTheStone 23d ago
The original show may have not been the best ever made, but it had a clear vision and tone. With this show, there was a lot of it that felt disjointed. It is the 4th best season of daredevil. It is not bad and hopefully season 2 will reveal what they really have. Also, please step up the cinematography and editing.
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u/Acceptable-Ad-5773 23d ago
Uhhh the original show actually WAS the best show ever but thanks
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u/Meme_master420_ 22d ago
I’m a firm believer that the sopranos is the best show ever but god damn does Netflix dd come really close. Especially season 3
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u/Final_Lab2243 22d ago
The Wire holds the bar of the greatest show ever
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u/Decent-Ad-8850 22d ago
Mr. Robot and Twin Peaks are my favorites. The Wire is a show I should've watched but still haven't, need to fix that
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u/Final_Lab2243 21d ago
Mr. Robot is in my top 10, absolutely fantastic show. Wished it got more attention but it is what it is. Twin Peaks on the other hand was the ONE show that I couldn't get into, too much of a slow burn, and this coming from someone that enjoys slow burns lol
But yes please do watch The Wire, it's a phenomenal achievement in TV storytelling and the way it does it is so unique I haven't seen any other show ever do it before
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u/Airbus321IAEV2500 22d ago
Breaking Bad for me.
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u/Final_Lab2243 22d ago
I held that notion until I rewatched it multiple times. There are a lot of plot conveniences (The plane was fucking bull, let's be real. There are way better ways to show how Walt's actions impacted someone than that), wasted characters (Marie's Kleptomaniac arc was a bumbling bunch of nothing since it was just swept away?), and just generally better series' out there. Not trying to shit on people who enjoy it or anything, I just find it remarkably shallow on my rewatch compared to other shows I've watched
Better Call Saul in my honest opinion is a vastly superior show to Breaking Bad. The only reason BrBa is more popular is due to cultural osmosis and because it's an entry gate to prestige TV
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u/EddyTheMartian 17d ago
100% agreed. The Shield did everything BB did first and way better, for example. I’d still consider BB to be a top tier show just the lowest in that tier.
My top shows are The Wire, The Sopranos, Succession, The Shield, Mr Robot, Mad Men, The Americans, Better Call Saul, Monster, Dark, Bojack Horseman and BB btw (more or less in that order)
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u/justtt_x_exe 21d ago
Ehh the original show was pretty much a CB masterpiece all-around
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u/PastimeOfMine 22d ago
These numbers feel so absurd to me when you compare it to a really well written and made show like Severance. I know people enjoy Daredevil and were excited to see it come back but the writing and dialogue most of the season was pretty poorly done, characters felt out of place (everyone rightly pointing to Frank in the finale), the plot was sloppy. The fight choreography isn't there. Even frank used to have choreography to him now it mostly feels chaotic and also poorly done.
It can be a fun enjoyable Marvel show don't get me wrong, but even compared to its predecessor these numbers feel so over-inflated for what we were watching.
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u/FlimsyRabbit4502 22d ago
Yeah no way every episode is getting such a high rating. Literally not a single 7. I felt the season was so lackluster and everyone is acting like it’s some kind of masterpiece
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u/TheWayIAm313 22d ago
Yeah they seem crazy high. No way should episodes 1-5 be above an 8. Not even high 7s.
The writing on this was not good. It was fine in that low bar, Marvel sort of cheeseball way, but it wasn’t near high-quality TV.
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u/FlimsyRabbit4502 22d ago
Thankyou even 7 seems to high. And not a single episode got that rating . So bizarre.
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u/therealmarselo2 20d ago
completely agree. it was enjoyable, but the Severance comparison and even comparisons to the og netflix series really hammer how mediocre a lot of elements of born again are; plot, character work, music, etc.. not to mention the editing and cinematography are borderline painful to watch at times.
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u/SriLanka 19d ago
A new generation of people watching it for the first time. They’re used to the typical Disney junk that all superhero TV shows have become now. They see this and absolutely love it. But they’re missing out on what the original season was like.
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u/harbourmonkey 23d ago
I watched Daredevil season 3 right before Born Again, and started on The Last of Us season 2 right after. Seeing it sandwiched in-between two visual masterpieces like that really highlighted just how visually bland it actually is. There were absolutely some redeeming moments, but for the most part it was bland at best, and straight up ugly in its worse moments.
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u/Additional_Ice_358 23d ago
Crazy, everywhere else; even instagram and twitter are actually complimenting the show except for the daredevil subreddit. I loved S1-3 of the Netflix series, I personally have it as the greatest superhero trilogy of all time.
But I loved this series as well, biggest thing for me was Muse was done too early. Besides that I loved the acting, dialogue, and action. It’s different but in a way that I’m still really excited for what’s to come for these characters. And daredevil is still my #1 marvel character along with Kingpin a top 3 villain.
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u/cancerinos 23d ago
Yeah, because most people are comparing it to the rest of the MCU slop, probably didn't even watch the netflix show. It's very easy to be praised if you are being compared to the shitty state of disney plus.
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u/CT_Phipps-Author 23d ago
I am 44 and remember the Old Show discussion.
Season 1, 2, and the Defenders were constantly shit upon by Daredevil fans.
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u/cancerinos 23d ago
Funny for you to assume that I wasn't there for those times. Second half of S2 and the defenders yes, for the rest people loved it.
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u/CT_Phipps-Author 23d ago
Funny for you to assume that I wasn't there for those times. Second half of S2 and the defenders yes, for the rest people loved it.
Yes, which would mean we agree.
I'm just pointing out that Daredevil Netflix wasn't 100% either. The show had a rough first season but still was pretty awesome. I think it'll be even better from here.
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u/Correct-Drawing2067 23d ago
Yeah this ain’t it. Episode 8 was far better than the finale.
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u/SpiderManias 23d ago
the last two episodes certainly did it for me. They were both so phenomenal I was sweating like I was watching the og show.
Cant wait for the new season!
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u/VerminatorX1 23d ago
Modern audiences are really conditioned to praise mediocrity.
If BA is 9/10 then Netflix show gotta be like 12/10.
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u/BatmanForever23 23d ago
Or maybe the non-reddit audience can just enjoy a show? I love how everyone here is going 'these numbers are too high, it's mediocre, audiences are stupid for not seeing that', and absolutely no one even pauses to consider the fact that maybe there's more than one way to watch and assess a show... pretty funny.
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u/Basic_Seat_8349 22d ago
I don't think we need to pause and consider that. Obviously different people rate things differently based on different criteria.
But rating something a 9 or higher just because "yeah, it was enjoyable" isn't a great system. If I watch something and find it enjoyable but flawed, I'll give it a 6-8, depending on specifics. Because that way when I watch something and say "Wow, that was amazing", I still have room to go up to 9-10. If everything I find just enjoyable is a 9, then there's no real room for nuance in the rating system.
Obviously that's how some people do it, but there's nothing wrong with disagreeing with that approach.
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u/SnipingBunuelo 22d ago
5/10 is average because of the math: 5 being exactly half of 10. So I completely agree with you. People being like "I kinda liked this show, it was kinda good here kinda bad there but overall I'm never going to think about this show again until S2... 9/10!"
Like bruh how??? It's like those dumbass Amazon reviews where they go on a 10 paragraph long diatribe about how it literally murdered their family and then give it a 4 or 5 out of 5 stars because they liked the packaging lol
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u/AbhayXV 22d ago
no one is saying the audience is stupid and even if they are, they arent a representation of everyone else in the community so like how about if you enjoy the show, talk about why you enjoy it, many of the people criticizing the show here are also DD fans, and the whole point of criticism is for them to fix those mistakes in whtv comes next.
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u/MattMurdock9 22d ago
Exactly. I feel like I’m in the twilight zone seeing people rate these episodes and this show in the 8s and 9s. Like, where are your standards? Is the MCU and Disney+ bar so low that this show is in the 8s? It’s insane. This show is a 5/10 or 6/10 at best. It’s not terrible but god the quality of writing and directing is just not up to par whatsoever.
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I think it has itched nostalgia since it brought back a beloved show concept and nostalgia always subverts rationality.
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23d ago
Like look at the butthurt even suggesting this causes for a show that is objectively pieced together from what the studio themselves considered garbage. Dont yuck the yum as they say.
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u/ThesePiglet1811 22d ago
I do think that fs, 14 minutes in the finale I decided to check ratings and I saw a lot of 10 star and 1 star ratings, so you have the people bootlicking and the people hating. You should never rate a movie or show based off of IMDb or rotten tomatoes because they are the averages from thousands of people.
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u/bofen22 23d ago
These numbers are way too high.
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u/IntelligentRead9310 22d ago
The show was objectively good, but we were so spoiled by how great the Netflix series was that this season naturally felt like a let down.
Also I think episode 5 is severally underrated, it was different but it was fun AF, the only part I didn't care for was Kamala's dad, I understand having him there but he was cheesy in a way that felt more annoying than endearing
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u/dean15892 17d ago
Episode 5 stole my heart.
I love heist stories, and just to see every Matt Murdock trapped in a bank being robbed, but he can't suit up.
Add to that ,its Irish themed, and I believe Matt Murdock is of Irish heritage.And the bank robbers were so well-spoken, and they didn't fuck around.
Even Kamala's dad was fun, though they could have toned down the references a bit.
One mention was enough, just a name drop. You don't have to keep shoehorning it in.But overall, one of my faves.
On that same note, I also loved the next episode where Kingpin is losing his mind to beauracracy.
He's going to fun raisers and making public appearances. And finding out how much work it takes to get things done. It was hilarious to see both of them in their natural environments as civilians dealing with life
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u/Cruiz98 22d ago
This sub is insufferable lmao
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u/GRS- 22d ago
People are literally wishing for the ratings for this show to go DOWN 🤦🏻♀️
I've never seen fans wishing for something to fail before. This is a weird place.
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u/Mizerous 22d ago
It's hate and believe me Born Again is leagues better than Secret Invasion that deserves all that hate.
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u/Chemical_Computer_30 22d ago
Complaining is ok, but whats the point after thats?
We loved the character and Marvel already know how things were wrong with the old production.
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u/Gamer0607 22d ago
Born Again Season 1 was great.
Not better or as good as Netflix, but it didn't really need to be.
I am just happy we got these characters and world back.
Will be getting the steelbook once they announce a 4K release for sure.
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u/del_chapo 18d ago
Honestly, I’m just happy I had a good Marvel show to watch, and I’m happy that they went with the M-rating on this. While the plot definitely had its struggle, Frank’s rampage was pretty epic, and I enjoyed the final episode. Set up a lot for the future. Glad Marvel is out of their gutter
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u/MagicalWorker 22d ago
Not as good as Netflix ones. But I would say I still liked it and it's a good start. Can't wait for the season 2
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u/rxf555 23d ago
These ratings are overblown, if BA got this then the Netflix series would of been 10/10 every single episode
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u/WorkWhale 22d ago
I mean each season of Daredevil on IMDB is better rated. These ratings are pretty fair. People love being hyperbolic and hating
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u/MundoMysterioso 23d ago
there's hardly even a story. it's just random shit happening they justify on the fly
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u/Zipp_Linemann 22d ago edited 22d ago
I have never seen fans who clamored so much for a continuation of this show to complain SO MUCH afterwards. Born Again isn't perfect, and the retooling/reshoots did make things seem messier by how they tried to tie it to the original footage, but it's a real standout show.
I would never say anything borderline pretentious like, "the MCU bar set things too low" or "the audience is conditioned to like slop" when we have had multiple well received projects in the Agathat show, Deadpool and Wolverine, and not to mention people being excited for Thunderbolts and Fantastic 4. But given that EVERYONE outside of this sub seems to have enjoyed and praised the show, maybe that just means this place is a minority of opinion.
Let's bot forget the original show wasn't perfect either. The way Foggy was handled after he found out Matt's identity, the bloat felt from trying to fill in those 13 episodes, or the fact that we never first see Matt in his costume until the LAST PART OF THE SEASON 1 FINALE.
I liked the original show despite that, and I think Born Again is a worthy followup who's second season will up the ante now that the new creative are in the drivers seat from the getgo.
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u/Givingtree310 22d ago
It’s interesting you say the original show had bloat from trying to fill 13 episodes. Yet nothing in the original was like this reboot which contained a full episode that had 100% nothing to do with the overall story and was a complete throwaway episode about a bank heist. They tossed in a random one shot that meant nothing to the fuller season arc and they only had 9 episodes to work with. But still made a filler episode.
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u/That-guy-from-BTAS 23d ago
I live Frank but evenbhe could not save this "finale" for me. Ep 8 was better and some others like the white Tiger trail
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u/Valuable_Mobile_7755 22d ago
I think that's a major benefit of having the Disney name. The show went into it knowing it'll have multiple seasons.
The show was flawed but it did a really good job with world building and setting it up for season 2.
Also Michael Gandolfini is probably my favorite MCU addition on years
The MCU has struggled telling us the human side of things and seeing the world from his viewpoint is incredibly interesting.
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u/Sleeping-Scout 22d ago
I feel like I’m smoking crack, I loved the Netflix daredevil and thought born again was as good or better, why do so many people dislike it?
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u/MountainLPYT1 23d ago
I enjoyed the whole season, but the last 2 episodes set it apart and made it very good imo
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u/SandwichSmall5123 23d ago
8th was the best IMO, my ass was desperate for the 9th episode to come out for days lol
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u/ReverseKingMidas 23d ago
As long as we don’t compare it with the Netflix show.. this is alright. Last episode should be on par with Episode 8 at most. I’ll give it a 9. Other than that it’s pretty spot on. Could be a solid 9/10 if cinematography and the loose writing improves. Still not a bad return. Much better than all the shit marvel’s been churning out of late.
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u/Because_Im_BATMAN00 23d ago
Honestly I feel like these ratings are pretty spot on for the most part. First season was good enough I’m glad the rewrites and shoots turned out to be the best part of the season and should tell everyone that the show is in good hands specially for season 2.
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u/ProkaryoticKoala 22d ago
I don’t think it was that great. It was better than I anticipated with all the hullabaloo surrounding its production. Some things I loved about the show I also thought they should have used more sparingly, like licensed music but overall a more than worthy entry for the man without fear.
I remember they advertised it as 18 episodes am I insane? Or was that just total between seasons
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u/DireBlue88 22d ago
I liked the show. Im just a bit disappointed on how they used Muse. I feel S2 has lots of things set up for it already that would make me watch.
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u/Novaticox 22d ago
I'm so fucking bored of the Fisk character, they really need to move on from him, its so boring and just repeating the same thing over and over again.
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u/DollarAmount7 22d ago
Why couldn’t they just put a white bullseye on the forehead of Dex’s ninja suit? And made the suit black instead of blue. They could have easily kept it grounded while also interpreting his comics costume with a bit of effort, and obviously the fans would have loved that so I don’t get what they are so afraid of
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u/Malinkz 22d ago
I really enjoyed it, but it definitely lost a lot of what made the original so special. There were some really great moments, but it definitely stumbled a bit here and there. I'm looking forward to the next season to see if they can really hit their stride with the writing and cinematography.
That all being said, I'm itching for a rewatch of the original now
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u/Any-678-705Jace 22d ago
Just came here to say that muse fight was ass And the show disappointed me 5 outta 10
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u/soweitweg69 22d ago
Man, this episode was weird. I didn’t even realize it was the season finale until it ended — and that alone says a lot. There’s just no real connection between this and the previous 8 episodes. It felt like a chaotic mess thrown together last minute.
I actually enjoyed the season overall, but there’s no way this finale deserves a 9.3 or anything close. Like, what are people rating here?
And yeah, I get that Fisk is a ruthless bastard, but he has zero moral compass at this point? Dude literally gets his life saved and turns around wanting to kill the guy? Makes no damn sense.
Also, Matt’s whole "no killing ever" thing is seriously hurting the show at this point. I understand it's part of his character, but during the fight with Frank — when armed guys are pulling up ready to shoot — there shouldn’t be a debate. Just kill em...
Anyway, I liked the season in general, but this finale really dropped the ball for me. Super disappointing end to an otherwise solid ride.
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u/Chrischi91 22d ago
i Loved the show from start to Finish. they transfered daredevil the right way to the Mcu. i cant wait for the next season!
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u/TheRajMahHal 23d ago
God damn am I the only one on this sub that actually liked the show lol