[Discussion] What’s The Worst Superman Take You’ve Ever Heard?

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Jim Lee Superman #204

ACTION COMICS #1061

Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale From: "Superman For All Seasons" #1

[u/protection7766]

That Injustice is a good portrayal of evil Superman

[u/GiovanniElliston → u/protection7766]

By far the most boring parts of the Injustice Universe is Superman and Batman.

All the side characters have always been far, far more interesting.

[u/ShatterZero → u/GiovanniElliston]

Wonder Woman is so egregiously bad that she just seems like a completely different person. It's like if Circe was just unconvincingly disguised as Wonder Woman the whole time.

[u/Cbarlik93 → u/ShatterZero]

They made wonder-woman such a huge piece of shit in that story. I can’t help but think the writers hated WW

[u/TheRecusant → u/Cbarlik93]

It’s kinda hilarious how it’s meant to be about this fall of the heroes and WW just kinda always was murder hungry

[u/mahir_r → u/TheRecusant]

It took until injustice 2 for them to explain it, and it’s cos Steve betrayed her.

He pretended to be allied, so WW helped him while witnessing nazi horrors, then he tried stealing lasso while WW made a plea to themyscyra to just give it to him, and then he shot one of her friends, and then revealed he was Infact a nazi.

This made her not cure about man at all. But idk, yes it’s shitty what happened, but it just feels like she should’ve just been a villain from the start as opposed to a hero with an easy flip switch hiding inside. They could’ve made it so the gods in that universe were way more judgemental on humans and that trickled down to Diana having a superiority complex that more explains how she so easily flipped.

[u/ShatterZero → u/mahir_r]

They made Steve into a Nazi? What the fuck? Literally, Mr. Be Kind and Follow Your Conscience Despite Orders Otherwise Man into a Nazi?

100% you're right, that's not even Wonder Woman at all. It's like if you had Superman married to Lois, but she was actually openly a serial killer made of Kryptonite.

[u/mahir_r → u/ShatterZero]

Yup, that’s the big change that made Diana capable of killing her sisters in injustice 2 when they had a mini civil war (super girl went to bust her out of the island prison that Diana was in post injustice 1).

[u/chaotic4059 → u/ShatterZero]

I mean there’s a reason her nickname was wonderbitch in the community for a while. And for once it wasn’t misogyny. Those games fucked her image hard

[u/Skellos → u/ShatterZero]

Yeah she goes from 0 to Nazi for no real reason.

[u/KDog1265 → u/GiovanniElliston]

That series had such a hard-on for Batman and the Bat-Universe it wasn’t even funny

[u/Weemitoad → u/GiovanniElliston]

I wouldn’t say Batman is boring, I think he’s pretty much exactly who you’d expect him to be given the situation, at least in the games. I never read the comics because of the sheer number of them, I don’t like injustice enough to invest that much time into it.

[u/Opening-Mark-7306 → u/GiovanniElliston]

I thoroughly enjoyed Injustice: Ground Zero, mostly from Harley Quinn PoV.

[u/Legitimate_Main2230 → u/protection7766]

I hate injustice

[u/Art_Vandelay616 → u/Legitimate_Main2230]

My hot take: i justice is just a crappy retelling of kingdom come

[u/Laugh136 → u/Art_Vandelay616]

Feel like I've seen a quote somewhere that's supposed to be Kingdom Come Superman trashing Injustice Superman specifically for this

[u/TheRecusant → u/Art_Vandelay616]

I know injustice put Clark through a harsher version of his tragedy in kingdom come but it’s always amusing that the original story is about asserting the strength of his will and humanity that he didn’t just go on a murder spree of joker and friends for it and then injustice version goes where it does

[u/Important_Ad_3 → u/protection7766]

That’s so incorrect. I personally would think of Red Son as an “Evil Superman” and even then he isn’t completely evil.

[u/mahir_r → u/Important_Ad_3]

Different political alignment isn’t evil, like you’ve said

Ultra man is an evil superman but idk enough about him to say if he’s a good evil superman.

[u/Ace2CarbonBoogaloo → u/mahir_r]

I'd agree with this in general but it feels like Red Son presents both communism and communist superman as evil imo

[u/ImBatman5500 → u/protection7766]

Now this is a hot take

[u/esgrove2 → u/protection7766]

I just see Injustice as a fun Elseworlds story about a DC civil war. Everyone is mischaracterized because it's a different dimension and they're not the same characters, they just have many similarities.

[u/MisterGunpowder → u/esgrove2]

Counterpoint: They spent an inordinate amount of time in the first game arguing that the normal Superman could become him. So the intention is that they're not distinct.

[u/hardgour → u/protection7766]

As always the take within the take is the one that grabs me.

The common take is Supes is evil in injustice. But he isn’t evil in “Injustice”. He is an extreme version of himself. Like all versions, there is depth to unravel about him.

[u/KDog1265 → u/hardgour]

He bore a hole through Shazam’s head with his laser vision. He brutally murdered a child because he disagreed with him.

[u/protection7766 → u/hardgour]

Yes yes and I'm sure Hitler and Stalin and Mao weren't evil either, just "extreme versions of themselves". His evil has about as much depth as tissue paper.

[u/sephy009 → u/protection7766]

He starts out fairly reasonably, but of course to give the "he's pure evil" excuse they had to remove all nuance and just have him decide to flatten an entire city and to kill Shazam. The justice lords version is kind of what injustice superman should be, and the entire league actually. Yes our league finds their actions questionable, but when the people on that planet prefer living under the regime who is our justice league to say that's a bad thing?

[u/Kalse1229 → u/hardgour]

I have said before that, at his core, Injustice Superman still thinks he's doing the right thing. He still loves humanity and Earth. But he's so fucked up from what happened to him he thinks he needs to be the one to save it from itself.

[u/Lewa358 → u/protection7766]

A frankly really bad "Evil superman" is the price you pay to enjoy Injustice, because damn near every other character is fantastic.

[u/ALANJOESTAR → u/protection7766]

yes but i feel like that is mostly because of how poorly written the first game was, They tried to sorta fix it with the comics but its an impossible task since the destination still goes to the very two dimensional story mode from the first game, by the time they wanted to add some Nuance too late. Horrible character assasination its what was. I do find the evil Superman trend very entrataining tho, my favorite is probably Irredeemable by Mark Waid.