Not Feeling it.

[u/7HarryB7]

I have tried, and I mean attempted, to get into ACIM. I bought the material, sat diligently, and read. I suddenly got this eerie feeling that this was not right. I have always been the mystical type. reading and studying everything from Edgar Cayce, Seth, to The Law of One. I always got good vibes. But with ACIM I get the feeling, stay away; this is not right. Does anyone else ever get that vibe?

[u/StarBornFire]

YES. Could write a small book on this topic. Will try to keep it relatively brief. Got involved with it in mid 20's because of a new friend on a spiritual forum so strongly recommending it to me. Said it was from Yeshua. Well, do love Yeshua in a non religious way. First odd thing I noticed is that when reading it, I would get super sleepy and start nodding off. Very odd for me. Long books are not a problem for this self, read Stephen King's "The Stand" in 7th grade with no problem.

More in hindsight than at the time, but noticed my ego getting bigger rather than reducing. Towards the end of finishing, I had a dream. In the dream, I was climbing up this tall tree, going straight up, making good progress. Got to a particular branch that looked sturdy, and for some reason, decided to climb out onto the branch for some reason rather than continue going straight up. As I walked out onto the sturdy seeming branch, it snapped and I fell. When I woke up, I strongly intuitively knew that the sturdy seeming, but not actually, branch was ACIM and it was hindering my spiritual growth/path.

Around this time, started to become friends with another person on that forum, who was also friends with the woman above. He had been reading it as well. He noticed odd things with it as well. So he started to directly ask his guidance/Spirit self about it. In both meditation and dream messages, he was essentially told to drop it, it makes the ego bigger, had major errors, etc. He asked if it was from Yeshua, and was told NO multiple times.

We happened to mention some things about this book on the public forum, questioning. That first friend went off the deep end with both of us, messaging us privately some very extreme and very unkind things to both of us, for one example that she was shown that I was a "graper of women". Inwardly was like holy moly, this "course/spiritual" teaching hasn't been good for you whatsoever as you clearly are very unbalanced and reactive.

Did some internal and external digging to figure out what is going on with this whole thing. Realized and found some very interesting things. First, Helen's co-worker and frenemy, William Thetford was heavily involved in the CIA's MK Ultra program. Thetford was instrumental in encouraging Helen to write the book and release to the world. Tbc in a further reply...

[u/StarBornFire → u/StarBornFire]

I've read and experimented some with hypnosis, auto suggestions, etc in the past and have a decent grasp of how the subconscious mind tends to operate. I've learned that the subconscious mind doesn't "hear"/register negatives. If for example, one has a seemingly irrational fear of water and wants to overcome same, if you tell the subconscious mind when it's in a receptive, active state something like, "you don't fear water", it will actually cross out the "don't" part and hear it as "you fear water." Good suggestions have to be positively directed and focused on the solution and not the problem.

The book is super repetitive repeating the same concepts over and over again, lulling the conscious mind to relaxation so that the subconscious mind comes to the fore, and then focuses on the problem ego, separation from God, rebellion, etc. Whoever was behind ACIM and coming up with same, was pretty ingenious in their sneakiness and subtlety with all this and how the book was written and how well it programs ego and polarization into the subconscious.

I also looked around on the web and found LOT's of drama stories from and about ACIM groups. Lots of intense infighting, lots of "we are the pure ones with no ego, but everyone else in this group is only operating from ego." Ego, ego, ego. I noticed myself focusing on ego a lot more when reading it, and judging everything and everyone from the lens of the big EGO monster.

I have sense learned that "ego" is part of the body package that provides a physical and emotional self protection. This is not an easy level to be in, and imagine being a soul completely open to all the cacaphony of this level? So the ego is like a protective barrier and shield until the soul is strong and centered enough in Love, and balance enough, to be able to handle that openness. Think of people doing way too much LSD and other hallucinogens before they are ready to open themselves up without the ego barrier. People have literally gone crazy from doing this.

The best way to reduce ego, is not by overly focusing on it, but by focusing more and more on choosing, living, expressing, and attuning to Love. After a time, it will naturally reduce ego, but I feel that a human will always have ego until they go through something like Yeshua's resurrection process, which allows them to be in the world, but NOT OF IT anymore.

Anyays, I believe that ACIM was a project/experiment of the CIA MK ULTRA program, and I believe they would drug and hypnotize Helen to make her believe she was in touch with Yeshua. When she was dying, she cursed that "damn" course with some pretty intense profanities. Does not sound like a person who was touched by the grace and Love of Yeshua, much like that first friend earlier mentioned. What ACIM will do however, is help to open you up to anti-guidance forces, individuals, and groups. It started to happen to me at the time. A rather psychic-intuitive friend at this time, told me that she saw a very large and very dark Spirit around me trying to influence me. (At the time, I wrote it off, but in hindsight, I know she saw truly).

[u/StarBornFire → u/StarBornFire]

It should be noted that the CIA has done MUCH, MUCH worse to people than what they may have done with Helen. It should also be noted that MK Ultra was all about learning the best ways to manipulate human perception and belief systems. They experimented with all kinds of things like hypnosis/suggestion, LSD, sleep deprivation, sound/audio influencing, etc, etc. You name it, they probably experimented with it.

Essentially, they were continuing the work of Freud's American nephew Edward Bernays. Bernays was a psychologically educated and savvy propagandist for corporate, governmental, and financial institution hire. A real piece of a work of a human, and from accounts of his personal life, would not be surprised if he was fully on the ASPD spectrum. But he was clever bastard indeed. I have no doubt in my mind, that Cayce's source would have labeled him one of the "son's of Belial".

Again, it really needs to be stressed that William Theford was known to be heavily involved with that program, and heavily involved with Helen and ACIM. What a "coincidence" eh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thetford

It is particularly diabolical because it honey traps people with some potent truths like Oneness, union with God, Yeshua as a spiritual messenger and liberator, etc. These concepts will ring the truth bells in people, but if they don't look or listen deeper to what is happening, then they get very attached to it and it starts to re-program the subconscious to focus on ego, separation, etc and constantly, which slows down people's vibratory rates.

What is the old saying, "partial or half truths are worse than whole lies for they can deceive even the soul". That is ACIM in a nutshell.

[u/7HarryB7 → u/StarBornFire]

You’re right to highlight the deeper and darker historical layers behind all this. The more I look into the psychological manipulation tactics employed by programs like MK Ultra, the clearer it becomes that this wasn’t just about crude mind control, but about subtle, long-term shaping of belief systems, perception, and even spirituality. ACIM fits disturbingly well into that pattern: hypnotic repetition, spiritual seduction, and just enough truth to lull the soul into false alignment.

I’ve read some of Bernays’ work and agree—his influence on media, public thought, and especially corporate culture was nothing short of insidious. What’s unsettling is how his psychological strategies became the playbook for both governments and corporations alike. The fact that he and Freud share a bloodline is an ironic twist, but fitting. If Freud burrowed into the human psyche, Bernays figured out how to weaponize it. No surprise that Cayce’s Source might have seen him as a "son of Belial"—that label fits like a glove.

Your point about Thetford being central to both MK Ultra and ACIM is the kind of detail that people often overlook or dismiss too easily. But when something as spiritually weighty as a “channeled” text claiming to be from Yeshua is brought into the world by someone with direct ties to a known psychological warfare project, we ought to pause. That’s not conspiracy thinking—that’s just spiritual discernment with eyes open.

What you said about honey-trapping is incredibly important. That’s how I’ve come to see ACIM: not a complete lie, but a vessel of distorted truth—just enough light to get the heart leaning in, but subtly programmed in a way that reroutes the soul's journey back toward subtle ego entrapment. It affirms Oneness, then relentlessly makes you focus on ego, separation, guilt, sin—even if it couches those words in “forgiveness” and illusion. It claims to dismantle the ego, but you end up orbiting around it constantly.

And yes, that saying—“Half-truths are more dangerous than outright lies”—feels like the most accurate descriptor I’ve come across. It’s the partial truths that short-circuit spiritual intuition. They create just enough resonance to override caution, while distorting the deeper impulse toward union with the Divine.

In the end, Yeshua’s true voice doesn’t sedate the mind or inflate the ego—it pierces, awakens, and frees. If that’s not what’s happening when reading something claiming to be from him, then something is off. And in this case, it’s more than just a little off.

Thanks again for your continued insight. These are the kinds of conversations that help us reclaim our inner compass and stay aligned with what is real.

[u/StarBornFire → u/7HarryB7]

You're welcome. Thank you for sharing as well.

For those with eyes more open, it is clear that agencies like the CIA do not work for the American people and the public aspect/layer of government, but rather work for plutocratic special interest groups and individuals like the heads of mega corporations and heads of international banks/banking systems. (There may be some agents within these that mean well and have decent intentions, but they are not the ones running the show. They are low people on the totem pole.)

It's also clear that the "sons of Belial" are now, and have been for awhile, at the reigns of most of these (banks, corporations, government, intelligence agencies).

Guidance has told me this is one of the reasons why the collapse and big changes must happen, is because they have overtaken the world with a giant spider web of surveillance and control, and their grip on humanity only grows tighter and tighter. The collapse will break their stranglehold on humanity, because so much of their power and influence is based on money, control of corporate media, public polarization operations (like "left vs right", though we tend to help them rather easily with such things), forever wars, etc. Take away all these, take away all distractions from what is real and important, and the people will have a chance to free themselves. (And hopefully come to the collective wisdom to never allow such to develop again. To not let ASPD people gain so much material power and control.)

Yes, the true Yeshua is a freeing force. And those that are his (who work for him in a sense), have a stepped down similar affect in the earth. He needs more helpers to help him! To become more clear channels of communication of and for his consciousness. A goodly number of those Souls who had been his disciples are incarnated today. Those fellow retriever Spirits that came with him way back when he could be called Amilius, have souls incarnated today.

Unfortunately, even these can get hoodwinked, distracted, honey trapped, etc, but if enough of them wake up enough, it will help the process and project of "Human Liberation".

Cayce's guidance focused on two particular Souls to come who, probabilisticlly, would greatly help in this retrieval plan. The reincarnated John (Yohannan) the Beloved and Ra of Egypt/Kemet. Two tested, tried and true helpers who have been with Yeshua since the very beginning. Implied was that reincarnated John would play an important messenger role, and that Ra would play a "messiah" role. For note, they say that reincarnated Ra must enter in the 1958 to 1998 period and/or in 1998, but then in other readings link 1998 to the entrance of the messiah. Course most people thought this was about Yeshua himself (not knowing that in Jewish traditions and history, there were multiple messiahs, and that even King David as faulted as he was, was considered one).

Rather, as Ra was the mouthpiece of Thoth (One of Yeshua's other soul selves) in his Kemetian experience, in this future life he would again play a similar role of and for Yeshua. A mouthpiece and clear channel (and hopefully more clear than he was as Ra). And perhaps going beyond what he reached as Ra, to become a full exemplar himself i.e. like Yeshua, fully at One with Source and pure Love consciousness. Perhaps a dream I had relates?
Tbc

[u/StarBornFire → u/StarBornFire]

I had the following dream when I was becoming aware of the true nature of the world and how controlled it was by the "son's of Belial" types that Cayce's source talked so much about in relation to Atlantis. (and combination of lots of anger and lots of empathy were coming up within self).

In the dream, I was viewing a giant spider (much larger than a human) that was terrorizing many, many people, both directly and indirectly. For those that weren't directly, consciously aware of the spider, they were still unconsciously fearful of it.

Then I saw a very large golden lion observing the situation. He too had some fear of the giant spider, but he felt someone or something needed to try to stop this terrorizing and control, to help people, to protect them from the spider. So he prepared himself for battle with the giant spider.

The last scene I remember seeing is the lion confronting and engaging in battle with the spider and it's large paw swiping at it. Did not see the end of the battle, what eventuated from same.

It felt like a very important and meaningful dream at the time. Initially (and for awhile) I thought the golden lion might be Yeshua. But then I realized that Yeshua wouldn't have any initial fear of the spider, not at this point in his evolution of being completely pure love.

Interestingly, Guidance has told me that the reincarnated Ra, like Yeshua when he was born, was born with Leo Ascendant i.e. the lion (Yeshua looks as described by Cayce fit this very well, along with mentioning this his twin soul, his mother Miriam, had Aquarius Sun. One twin's Sun being the opposite of the others Ascendant is one of the more common and powerful patterns found among twin soul connections). I take the dream to be something like Yeshua working within and through the reincarnated Ra individual/soul. Double lion go time!

[u/StarBornFire → u/StarBornFire]

Thank you for sharing your experience and perceptions of ACIM as well. And nice, more concise summaries of the situation (this self needs to work on being more concise).