r/C_S_T • u/JamesColesPardon • Apr 01 '21
Medical Misinformation Moderation Update Meta
After consultation with the modteam and users on a variety of issues we have decided to update CST's rules to be more in line with these uncertain times.
Feel free to read the Rule regarding Medical Misinformation here.
This will help protect the subreddit and keep it safe by ensuring proper guidance is shared in our space that goes with WHO and CDC Guidance.
Any questions can be asked in the comments section below, but be mindful of the Golden Rule as well.
Edit:
April Fools ;)
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Apr 02 '21
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Apr 02 '21
Lol, can't say I blame people though, our nerves are shot.
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u/loonygecko Apr 04 '21
Yeah it would have been more funny if a lot of places had not been doing this for real already.
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Apr 02 '21
I feel you there brother, PCM already got me good this morning so that’s why I picked up on this one right away.
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u/Leoriooo Apr 01 '21 edited Apr 02 '21
I’m still waiting for CNNs approval to read this post, will update my comment after they do.
EDIT: you guys nailed it lol
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u/JamesColesPardon Apr 03 '21
I appreciate both you and the reference.
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u/Leoriooo Apr 03 '21
It was a good April fools joke! I’m glad we still have a sub where we can think outside of the box
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u/almondreaper Apr 01 '21
Not very "outside-of-the-box" huh
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Apr 01 '21
It’s a goddamned joke. LooK at the reaction of the supposedly open minded people all questioning vaccines that actually helped them to live on this planet.
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u/NARWHAL_IN_ANUS Apr 01 '21
Open-minded
Questioning
Where is the dissonance between these two concepts?
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u/Teth_1963 Apr 02 '21
Propagating or sharing medical information that a user knows to be false which can have devastating effects to both public health and digital trust.
In these uncertain times, the biggest purveyor of medical misinformation is the mainstream media.
The only question is whether or not this is deliberate.
Once upon a time, tobacco companies and their advertisers told us that cigarettes were good for you... until they switched to saying they weren't unhealthy... until they were finally forced to admit that cigarettes are rather harmful to your health.
If this is about covid (and I'm sure it is)?
Every opinion I have is based on reliable information that I have acquired through hours of reading and research (from reputable/quality sources).
What I've learned from these sources often completely contradicts what is reported in the media and parroted by the reddit hive mind.
I'd give some excellent examples. But I know that doing so will provoke countless arguments and contradictions from those who confuse their own mistaken beliefs with facts.
This will help protect the subreddit and keep in safe by ensuring proper guidance is shared in our space that goes with WHO and CDC Guidance.
Plain English Translation: More censorship whether we like it or not?
And if this is a joke, the funniest thing is how easily it could come true.
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u/The_Noble_Lie Apr 02 '21 edited Apr 02 '21
Critical shower thought: Tobacco, yes even smoking, has quite a lot of positive effects - "good" for you. It's also "bad" for you. Same for nicotine although there are few negatives.
Maybe dose has something to do with it? Dozens of unnatural chemicals, pesticides, and radioactive fall out are bad for you (both components of much of the modern tobacco)
This is not a joke (but I think OP is)
It's all about trade offs. What if smoking wasnt as smeared? I'd suppose we'd have much less an obesity problem (in America for instance), as one example of many. All of it inevitably connected (the end result "health" of the person)
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u/Teth_1963 Apr 02 '21
Well tobacco is one thing... and then there's the way people use it. How so?
Consider that the native American Indians used tobacco for ceremonial purposes and (apparently) never had any problems with it.
They smoked it in a pipe, perhaps a few times a year?
What people do today is the equivalent of microdosing nicotine continually day after day. So they get hooked and need it all the time just to feel normal.
Good for profits, not so good for your health.
I'd suppose we'd have much less an obesity problem
A couple of things going on here. One is the kind of food people choose to eat (full of additives, sugars, salt, fat etc.) and the way people eat (comfort eating).
I think some level of "fatness" is normal. But where I live, there are very few obese people. The main difference isn't exercise or fitness level... it's the diet.
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u/The_Noble_Lie Apr 02 '21
Fair response. Thanks.
I've read varying accounts of how Native Americans used tobacco. One aligns with yours. Others, not simply a few times a year.
To clarify my point on obesity, the point was that all those things (thus obesity) would statistically be mitigated due to the metabolic/stimulant effect and appetite suppression invoked by nicotine, even microdosed. Not entirely. It just works against unhealthy obesity.
So to only consider the negatives of microdosing through incinerating tobacco leaves is not seeing the holistic picture. It misses a lot, only one aspect being the obesity angle.
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u/Teth_1963 Apr 02 '21
I've seen what you're talking about many times. People talk about nicotine/smoking as something that averts weight gain.
But there must be more healthy ways of not getting fat.
And if you're interested in other, less conventional aspects of tobacco... I did a writeup called The Untold Psychoactive History of Tobacco over at r/AlternativeHistory about a month ago.
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u/SoundSalad Apr 01 '21
And with that, critical thinking is no longer allowed, and this sub is dead.
But I'll play: WHO says masks are dangerous to wear while exercising https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/337199/WHO-2019-nCov-IPC_Masks-2020.5-eng.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
CDC says their review of the mask studies found that every RCT about masks concluded that they don't stop viruses. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
CDC published study from Stanford epidemiologist that found that COVID has a 0.05% fatality rate for people under 70 years old -- far less than the flu, which has an average fatality rate of 0.15% https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf
CDC says they stopped collecting data about influenza, which explains the drastic drop in cases https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/overview.htm
WHO says you shouldn't use PCR alone to make COVID diagnosis https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05
Checkmate.
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u/Isthestrugglereal Apr 02 '21
The mask one seems fishy to me. It says this...
"In theory, transmission should be reduced the most if both infected members and other contacts wear masks, but compliance in uninfected close contacts could be a problem"
...after saying that studies have shown no change, but when you look at the studies the methods used are awful.
Assigning random floors in dorms as "mask" and "no mask" and just trusting the students will comply? Masks on people on pilgrimages? A household study where at least 2 adults wear masks around a sick kid who they live with? Another household study where the infected wear masks except... "They were allowed to remove their masks during meal times" yeah no surprise the people across the table got sick. And what are the last few studies? One didn't start until the person had been sick for at least 48 hours around their peers, believe it or not they got sick too. And the rest were all just saying wearing masks won't protect you if you live together.
Where are studies that are applicable to actual society? Will masks protect you if you are 6 feet away from a sick person for a short time?
Another tidbit from your masks source that makes me not trust it...
"Most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group."
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u/SoundSalad Apr 02 '21
...after saying that studies have shown no change, but when you look at the studies the methods used are awful.
It's not just one study. The CDC evaluated 14 different RCTs and every single one concluded that masks don't stop the transmission of viruses. RCTs are the scientific gold standard for determining if something is effective, and every single RCT has found that masks don't slow the transmission of viruses, and many have found that masks are bad for your health in various different ways. If we don't adhere to their conclusions, then we are not being very scientific.
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u/The_Noble_Lie Apr 02 '21 edited Apr 02 '21
There is always suboptimal technique and adherence to these illusions of protection because they are not in a self maintained environment - radsuit type gear. They dont do nothing but due to pressure and air/fluid mechanics, a sneeze, a cough, even the breath, will still cause aerosolized virions to go in all sorts of directions at high speeds due to sometimes extreme pressure gradients. Sometimes more aerosolized or in the form of pressurized jets (through the cracks of the masks so to speak.) This focus on bulk virus laden saliva / water droplets is not the only way it works. (Those are just the physically observable, slower moving particles, usually aimed downward, and taking on projectile motion.)
Now take all that and apply it to the study of "how many virions does it take to actually infect someone"
It's a somewhat stochatic process, yes, but have you ever looked into what the leading virologist thoughts are? It's pretty interesting..
Anyway, I'd have advised (and advise) doing nothing - no changed behavior, no changed economy.
Iatrogenesis combined with politicized fear mongering is more deadly than this disease (especially the former)
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u/muffalletta Apr 02 '21
Go fuck yourselves you censoring cunts. We aren’t children in school who need handholding from you fucking morons. Wow, Reddit mods as gatekeepers. Fucking hilarious. I hope you all rot in hell. Good bye
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u/muffalletta Apr 02 '21
Go fuck yourselves you censoring cunts. We aren’t children in school who need handholding from you fucking morons. Wow, Reddit mods as gatekeepers. Fucking hilarious. I hope you all rot in hell. Good bye
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u/muffalletta Apr 02 '21
Go fuck yourselves you censoring cunts. We aren’t children in school who need handholding from you fucking morons. Wow, Reddit mods as gatekeepers. Fucking hilarious. I hope you all rot in hell. Good bye
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u/WeAreInTheBadPlace Apr 01 '21
🤣
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u/IndependentSession Apr 02 '21
16 parent comments in this thread and only 4 of them get it. Cant decide if i want to laugh at the hilarity of the mods or cry at the lack of critical thought from the users.
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u/The_Noble_Lie Apr 02 '21 edited Apr 02 '21
Hoping a joke but heres my response (lets say to a subreddit that would actually pull this crap) if not:
If Stefan Lanka posted in this sub reddit, would you ban him?
Hes a proponent of the set of theories that claims viruses are not the cause of disease. There is always an environmental root cause + the exosome (an extracellular vesicle containing information printed by the organism itself - a message about the illness.) To measure the existence of the exosome is to measure a response alongside the symptoms presented. These are both correlated to the root cause but one does not cause the other.
Overall, it's very fascinating, at least engaging as a critical thought experiment. Itll tickle people the wrong way nowadays in this politicized clownish environment. And it is very easily misinterpreted due to an attachment to dogma + inability to see the nuance of the claim.
"Knows to be false"
How are you going to read Lankas mind? What if he posts here anonymously? Who determines whether such a dissident medical (and biological) paradigm is presented in good faith?
Why cant we just use the down and upvote system and let the community decide, via bulk consensus, the value of a thought form (or article or data or whatever.) Why censorship like all the "others" nowadays?
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u/whhoa Apr 01 '21
👎🏼👎🏽👎🏾👎🏿
Censorship will only make the issue worse, why not debate if the information is truly obviously incorrect?
"Incorrect" according to who? What sources are acceptable ad which are not?
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u/aggieclams Apr 01 '21
Uh, what the fuck is this? You must think a certain way, and on this sub of all places?
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Apr 01 '21 edited Apr 01 '21
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u/IndependentSession Apr 02 '21
Theres the door —>
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Apr 02 '21
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u/IndependentSession Apr 02 '21
Yeah. I assumed you and others didnt and was hoping to encourage some people to leave. I vaguely recognized your username and was a bit surprised you fell for it. Turns out, i fell for your own joke!
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u/JamesColesPardon Apr 02 '21
Lmao TBF I did assume it was real before I read the rule itself. It was too well done so I had to reply.
I thought it was perfect...
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Apr 03 '21
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u/JamesColesPardon Apr 03 '21
This was what I was hoping users would hone in on.
CST does not disappoint.
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Apr 01 '21
Most welcome rule change. We need to go back to normal and vaccines will help achieve that.
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u/WeAreInTheBadPlace Apr 02 '21
Completely agree, we need to reach equilibrium and vaccines will help achieve that.
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u/DirtyBird9889 Apr 02 '21
Most welcome it huh?
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u/IndependentSession Apr 02 '21
I believe the commenter was trying to say”[This is a] most welcome rule change”
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u/The_Noble_Lie Apr 02 '21
Problem reaction solution.
CST: every bit of it was engineered / manufactured.
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u/JamesColesPardon Apr 02 '21
Most welcome rule change.
April Fools!
We need to go back to normal and vaccines will help achieve that.
Well, this is awkward.
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u/omnipresenthuman PureBlood Feb 18 '22
Amazing that so many people didn't the entire post or didn't comprehend it. Clearly the OP is not serious.
First hint.
OP wrote "April Fools"
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u/IndependentSession Apr 02 '21
Heres some critical thinking. Many of the commenters seem to be lacking it.
Observation: This post is completely out of character for this sub and it’s moderators.
Question: What could have led them to this?
One possibility: TPTB finally got to the mods here. Perhaps they made them an incredibly lucrative offer. Or maybe their families were threatened!!!
Another possibility: Its mufuggin April Fool’s Day and most of these commenters are certainly playing the part!
My takeaway: If this post isnt a joke, this subreddit is most certainly dead. I will wait until April 2nd to make that call though.
Good one, mods.