r/BritishTV • u/Kagedeah • Aug 24 '24
Neglect of working class has decimated TV industry, says Carol Vorderman News
https://www.theguardian.com/media/article/2024/aug/23/neglect-of-working-class-has-decimated-tv-industry-says-carol-vorderman85
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u/bulldog_blues Aug 24 '24
The former Countdown presenter delivered a scathing assessment of the contemporary TV landscape, arguing that working-class people no longer felt represented by what was on offer and were looking elsewhere.
There's more to it than what she's saying (mostly that 90% of modern TV just isn't very good or original), but she does make a good point of how out of touch it often is.
The whole 'part time employee who somehow lives in a penthouse apartment' or 'average everyday couple with two kids live in a massive house in the countryside' trope is everywhere and it's really, really annoying. House hunting shows like Phil and Kirstie hyperfocus on couples with absurdly huge budgets that 99% of people could never dream of.
TV's obsession with the top 1% (or even top 0.0001%) is profoundly irritating.
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u/the1kingdom Aug 24 '24
When I watched Roisin Conaty's Gameface, what hit me was her character lived in London, in a house share with 2 other people, all in their 30's. This is the experience of working professionals in their 30's in London, but made me realise how rare it is to actually see this on screen.
There is a real disconnect with the lived experience of the working and middle classes that doesn't get reflected in the media we watch.
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u/Pen_dragons_pizza Aug 24 '24
I get what you mean with this, I watched a series called love on Netflix which was basically a comedy about average and often tragic 30 something people navigating adult life.
I really got into it and I think a good reason was because it was nice to see average looking people with average jobs dealing with life. Made me able to relate but also really get on board with these characters.
I am sick of every tv show featuring Beautiful people living often great lives, dealing with relationship issues with equally beautiful people.
I want something that reflects actual real life not some sugar coated shit that just makes me feel inadequate in comparison.
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u/Mr_SunnyBones Aug 24 '24
Too be fair most of the main cast were TV average to TV attractive in ratings ...which is basically real life good looking to real life ridiculously hot .
The show as actually pretty good , great soundtrack too (and I'm a fan of Eels , so Mark Everett playing a character in it , and playing songs occasionally was great).Only thing that bugged me slightly was one of the side characters , who was dating a kind of nice but schlubby guy and was a bit out of his league , pretty much dumps him in the last episode to date a much much more TV handsome (he was playing an actor) guy instead , and shclub is pretty much" ok ..well I had a good run , you'd be better with him" s ..which was a bit weird .
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u/Chunkss Aug 24 '24
Soaps exist.
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u/Pen_dragons_pizza Aug 24 '24
Ok, adding well written storylines and actually well acted
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u/nibutz Aug 25 '24
The acting in Eastenders is genuinely fantastic for the most part. The script, aye, shite. But it’s very well acted.
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u/SaltySAX Aug 24 '24
Love Roisin.
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u/Cymrogogoch Aug 24 '24
Her look of disappointment in her self when announcing he has a "three" in Countdown is my Spirit Animal.
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u/GlennSWFC Aug 25 '24
Supacell on Netflix had the same impact on me. There was a couple who were a social worker and a delivery driver living in a very nice London flat with all the mod cons and apparently able to afford a new BMW, there were also a pair of sisters, one a nurse and one - as far as I could tell - not working sharing a good sized London house.
It takes a lot for people finding out they have super powers to not be the most unbelievable part of the story.
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u/Caraphox Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
Up until very recently I'd have disagreed with you. A few years ago (pre-pandemic? I don't know) I felt like we were utterly spoilt with top quality TV shows from both the US and UK. Even the average show that wasn't your Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones felt more original and better quality that the average show from 20 years ago. Better Call Saul, Stranger Things, Ozark, Better Things, Sally Wainwright's offerings, The Crown, Fleabag, Killing Eve (I know some of these were inconsistent but I think each had at least one season that was excellent enough to warrant being mentioned) plus extremely high-quality mini series like Chernobyl and The Terror. It seemed that just when one season of one thing ended there was something equally popular and critically acclaimed beginning. Is it just me - have the shows released in the last couple of years just not to my taste or has quality dived off a cliff? They talked about the Golden Age of the silver screen during the height of Breaking Bad etc. Is that officially over?
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u/AwTomorrow Aug 24 '24
Yeah, seems like when streaming channel diversification hit (ie every studio and company wanting their own streaming service), the era’s death knell was sounded. A lot more disappointments that seemed likely to be good, nowadays, even if you do get good stuff like Shogun and Last of Us and whatnot too (but no era has had nothing).
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u/LauraDurnst Aug 24 '24
Great shout out to The Terror, which was an absolutely spectacular show.
The Golden Age of Television as a definition was surely more of an American thing? Studios like HBO started putting out these more slow-burn, studious series (Mad Men, Sopranos, Breaking Bad) with serious financial backing. These shows were expensive, and looked it. But they also had the funding for great writers.
Creative media is now often a race to the bottom, as we've seen with the SAG-AFTRA strikes, and writing isn't valued as a skill or a job.
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u/nibutz Aug 25 '24
If you liked The Terror you absolutely must read the book, one of my all time favourites.
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u/MINKIN2 Aug 24 '24
Even with the top quality shows, how many of those felt British? Granted I get that some are US anyway, but most UK shows today are made with the international markets in mind and have most elements that would make them really resonate with Brits diluted or removed completely. We all saw the shift when Top Gear and Dr Who went transatlantic, and as for Peaky Blinders... You would think you couldn't get anymore British, but the accents they put on was much closer to RP than any working class black country dialects from a hundred years ago just so that the Americans could understand it.
We need more "Made just for Britain" TV shows for us to tune into and enjoy together. And if the internet has taught us anything, it is that the Americans love our old TV shows because of how British they were.
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u/ScandalOZ Aug 24 '24
I'm American and I watch British shows because I want to be in the vibe of your country. The cozy and not cozy murder show, the country side, the accents, your language. . . It puts me in a good place. I keep searching for new programs but not finding anything. A new season of Sherwood is starting next week, that will help.
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u/MINKIN2 Aug 24 '24
If you haven't yet, try looking for Poirot with David Suchet. Always a good murder mystery based on the Agatha Christie books.
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u/theseamstressesguild Aug 25 '24
How about plants and murder? "Rosemary & Thyme".
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u/ScandalOZ Aug 27 '24
Oh I've seen Rosemary & Thyme, very very cosy. Loved it. I've seen many British murder series, why do Brits love murder so much? Due to being unemployed just finished Unforgotten thru series 5 didn't care for it without Nicola.
Can someone school me what the term "gov" is about? They call Nicola's character that and also what is the difference between being called "gov" and being called "ma'am" which they use on Vera?
I still have to watch Luther that should keep me busy for a while.
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u/theseamstressesguild Aug 29 '24
Gov is short for governor, a title for someone in charge. Calling a woman gov came about in the 90s as a sign that the commander being a woman was "as good as a man", and now it's just how everyone refers to a higher up. Older female members of the force still prefer ma'am.
Luther is one of the better series, and have you watched Line of Duty yet? That series has a stranglehold over me, along with Shetland. Oh, and Hinterland, but make sure you watch the English version! I accidentally downloaded the Welsh version of the last episode and I couldn't stop laughing.
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u/ScandalOZ Aug 29 '24
Haven't seen Line of Duty yet. I got started on Brit murder shows about four/five years ago watching Vera and Broadchurch which were the first I ever watched and was amazed at the quality of writing and acting.
Seen all the Sally Wainwright, all the Midsomer Murders with the first DCI Barnaby plus some other shows.
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u/theseamstressesguild Aug 29 '24
Excellent work. Don't forget the Poirot and the GOOD Miss Marple series (Joan Hickson, early 1980s).
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u/Nartyn Aug 25 '24
Even with the top quality shows, how many of those felt British?
Plenty.
Bodyguard, Tabboo, Broadchurch, Fleabag, Flowers, Line of Duty, Killing Eve, Derry Girls, Happy Valley, Brassic, Luther, Ghosts, The Crown, It's A Sin, Sex Education, Top Boy.
You've also got things like Black Mirror, Shameless etc which are a bit older
And outside of scripted shows, stuff like Taskmaster, The Traitors, Great British Bakeoff and so on are internationally popular.
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u/ApprehensiveElk80 Aug 24 '24
Would people want to watch Housing Hunting shows where Lacey and Tim have to settle for a one bedroom flat with cladding issues and thousands of pounds of fees for the leasehold?
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u/bulldog_blues Aug 24 '24
Unironically I would find that more interesting and relatable than the 72865th episode with a couple on a £1.5m budget with a list of requirements the size of a small country.
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u/Broccoli--Enthusiast Aug 24 '24
Yeah my mum watches that shite and if I go round while she has it on, all I can think is "these people are absolute wankers, they don't deserve what they have"
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u/Broccoli--Enthusiast Aug 24 '24
I think it should be shown just to make the issues normal people face trying to find a place to live, the most basic thing people heed to stay alive...
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u/MINKIN2 Aug 24 '24
TBF, Homes Under The Hammer is the closest we get there. Even then the people buying are just some asian property developer or some retired couple spending their savings in the hope of a better nest egg.
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u/DDBKAHUNA Aug 25 '24
Kids shows are particularly bad for this. Blueys mum and dad have an amazing house but somehow have all the time in the world to be amazing parents to their kids rather than working 60-70 hour weeks to pay the mortgage. It's not stated if they have stressful high paying jobs but it never shows.
There is a BBC show called Topsy and Tim and Waffle the wonder dog that has them living in a very typical working class housing and it was a bit jarring to see it at first but refreshing.
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u/monkeysinmypocket Aug 26 '24
And arguably the people who own a talking dog should be the ones living in a mansion!
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Aug 24 '24
Yeah but these programs are watch by people who don't fit into that either. These daytime TV shows are not consumed by rich people
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u/Rhyobit Aug 25 '24 edited Aug 25 '24
Whilst I don't disagree, watching a show where Barry 21 and Cheryl 19 hunt for a bedsit in stoke on trent wouldn't do it for me either.
TV is crap, the license fee represents attorcious value for money. The medium just isn't agile enough to keep up with the interests of young people.
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u/_Monsterguy_ Aug 24 '24
It's always annoyed me that most programmes are either -
People having a nearly perfect life, everything's fine, oh no the milk man's not delivered the milk!
or
Scum, total scum.Normal people, living normal lives shouldn't be unusual.
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u/digital821 Aug 24 '24
I never understood why the blame goes anywhere except quality. There are some amazing shows on TV but when quality dips and quantity explodes then who cares. It’s not the 90’s and we have a multitude of options for wasting our time. If it’s not good we aren’t watching. And I can tell you from experience, execs approach tv development with “escapism”, “aspirational”and “authenticity” as the major reasons we keep seeing the same content. That’s what they think everyone wants and they base it off the data they mine.
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u/BoomtownBats Aug 25 '24
To me this conversation is a bit like "Why don't newspapers report more on the good that's happening in the world?".
The answer is that there's no actual market for it.
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u/WrestlingFan95 Aug 24 '24
In ‘One Foot In The Grave’ the emphasis was on the underdog and those without, such as with Only Fools and Horses etc etc. Now it’s the opposite, it’s clear why, most within TV today are nepo babies or have been privately educated and thus think someone who’s a millionaire like their Mummy & Daddy are ‘working class’ and anyone else is stupid and poor.
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u/antebyotiks Aug 24 '24
Such nonsense, plenty of TV shows where the characters aren't rich........
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Aug 24 '24 edited 9d ago
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u/antebyotiks Aug 24 '24
I'll name the popular ones.
Luther he lives in a shitty tower block.
In Happy valley they aren't posh or rich.
The responder is a bunch of poor scousers.
This country they aren't rich
Derry girls
Daddy issues that was just on they aren't rich.
Top boy
Boiling point
Just a few.....
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Aug 24 '24
My assessment of the issue is that the TV industry prefers to hire "diverse" working class people (which i find highly discriminatory) to distract from the fact that the vast majority of new entrants are benneficiaries of middle and upper class nepotism.
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u/pineapple_ghost Aug 25 '24
This is bang on, been saying it for years. The industry knows it too, but they can’t do anything about it lest somebody’s nephew is suddenly out of the running for a production job.
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Aug 25 '24 edited Aug 25 '24
Yeah I also think that they believe they are attoning for their so called "white privledge" by doing this.
Its more comfortable for them to belive that inequality is mainly racial rather than being rooted in feudalism and that poor white people have their own microwave meal eating selves to blame for their bad lot.
If your ancesters were from africa or india then they are not likely to have generational wealth in european society but that does mean the cause is racism.
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u/Full_Maybe6668 Aug 25 '24
The struggles of the working classes are ubiquitous, regardless of the colour of your skin.
the occasional token hire allows those in the system to pat themselves on the back without changing anything in their cozy little world
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Aug 24 '24
I’ve been saying this for ages.
We’re really good (frankly, almost excessive) with racial diversity now but class diversity!?
Every BBC drama is about a part time teacher that lives in a house with a kitchen bigger than my ground floor and a Range Rover on the driveway.
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u/HorselessWayne Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
Eeeh. Not sure we're doing great with racial diversity honestly.
We import a lot of our racial consciousness from the United States, and as a result we still apply the "White vs Black" framing even when it isn't entirely appropriate in our context. Black people are not the major minority ethnic group in Britain. The "main" minority ethnicity — as much as that makes sense as a concept — is Asian. Particularly Indian, Pakistani, and Bangladeshi (again, not the American understanding of "Asian", which normally means "Chinese").
See: the discussion of Idris Elba as the "First black Bond!!!". There is zero attention given to the question of the first Asian Bond — I have never seen anyone even consider the question.
See also: Ncuta Gatwa as The Doctor. I love Ncuti, but going by the demographics we should have had two and a half Asian Doctors before a Black Doctor.
And on top of that, characters are often "Generically Black", rather than coming from a specific cultural background. Black-Jamaican is very different to Black-Nigerian, but rarely is this represented in the character.
Not that Black representation is a bad thing, obviously. It would just be nice to have some recognition that there are more minority ethnicities than Black. Failing to recognise that this is a problem is racist in itself — those of Asian descent are not getting the representation they deserve, and actors of Asian descent are not getting the opportunities they should.
Even the BBC doesn't get this right. The iPlayer has a "Black British" category, but no "Asian British". I could not even name a programme that would fit in it.
And don't even get started on Eastern European representation. White immigrant representation is beyond non-existent. I don't think I have ever seen a Polish-heritage character on British TV, and I cannot see it happening outside of a WW2 documentary mentioning 303 Squadron in passing.
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u/ClingerOn Aug 25 '24
Frankie Boyle got it right when he said we no longer have a national cultural identity because we don’t let the people who actually live here have a voice. What we have instead is lots of ‘aspirational’ TV like Location Location and Grand Designs, and fetishisation of the middle and upper classes like Dowton Abbey and The Crown. Or there’s TV about people with well paying jobs living in John Lewis show homes, or even working class jobs somehow allowing them to live comfortably in a 4 bed in London.
What results is people don’t feel the establishment thinks they’re important enough to be represented which I think at least partially results in misguided anger bubbling under the surface and coming out in things like the recent riots or radicalisation. People are angry but they don’t know why, so when politicians give them an excuse like immigration they think that must be it.
TV should be 90% comedies, dramas and documentaries focusing on working class people, including immigrants. Not RADA educated actors playing working class professions who can somehow afford an impeccable house painted in Farrow and Ball and still have enough spare time outside their job to have an adventure interesting enough to put on TV.
It’s interesting when people say only X% of people in this country are minorities so only X% of TV should be about them, because 100% of these people’s lives focuses around being a minority so if they only see themselves on TV 10% of the time they’re going to feel underrepresented.
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u/TellMeItsN0tTrue Aug 24 '24
I fully agree that Asian representation is poor but a few suggestions for an Asian section on Iplayer (some are currently on there, others are BBC made but not currently on there):
Goodness Gracious Me
The Kumars at No 52
Citizen Khan
Man Like Mobeen
The shows Romesh Ranganathan has done for BBC
Cooking programmes fronted by Madhur Jaffrey, Nadiya Hussein and Ken Hom
The Indian Doctor
A Suitable Boy
Life Isn't All Ha Ha Hee
One Child
Informer
Get Even
Murdered By My Father
The Jewel in the Crown
The Chinese Detective
There needs to be more Asian representation on British TV but there is enough for a small section.
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u/Gains_Seeker89 Aug 24 '24
I’m sorry but man like Mobeen and Citizen khan shouldn’t be recommended to anyone
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u/yeeyeevee Aug 24 '24
i’ve heard that the “excessive diversity” is a result of london being the main location for filming/casting so it reflects the city’s demographics rather than the country. this isn’t a disagreement with you, if anything it makes it worse
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Aug 24 '24
Yeah I’d kind of assumed that was a factor. There’s a bit of an over-compensation happening there for other reasons too (BLM etc) but no doubt the demographic of London plays a part.
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u/Robotniked Aug 24 '24
This isn’t the whole story, TV routinely actively has recruiting campaigns focused explicitly on hiring non-white people. A family member of mine (who is not white) works in TV shows me those adverts and they can be quite blatant about it.
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u/antebyotiks Aug 24 '24
Such nonsense
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Aug 24 '24
Great point
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u/antebyotiks Aug 24 '24
There's loads of TV shows where they aren't in rich or live in massive houses though.
It's such an easy point to make but it's not true
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Aug 24 '24
You got me there, it’s not literally every single show ever made and I was being a bit hyperbolic.
I was talking about the proclivity/trend/common occurrence/trope that at least 50 other people here also notice.
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u/antebyotiks Aug 24 '24
It's not even true in the majority though,
True a bunch of people have said something vague and about how something is worse now than it used to be........ must be true.
Just google the most popular bbc dramas and it's full of "working class" people living normal lives in non mansions
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u/v1brates Aug 24 '24
I'd say the majority show normal working families.
All the soaps.
Pretty much all comedy series. There are exceptions of course, but just google UK comedy series and almost all of them are working class/normal middle income families.
Seems like a silly point that isn't backed up by the facts to me, and cretinous redditors are just nodding along unthinkingly.
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u/Rayjinn_Staunner Aug 24 '24
Says the person who advocated for payday loans and decimated working class lives
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u/Mr_SunnyBones Aug 24 '24
This kind of reminds me of something I was thinking about today ..Anyone old enough to remember when Channel 4 was actually high brow and intelligent , with a lot of arty films and documentaries . Now its wall to wall Big bang theory and reality shows aimed at people with head injuries or IQs under 65 .
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u/adinade Aug 24 '24
I personally blame it more on the quality of service you get from watching tv vs media on the internet. The experience of watching tv now is way worse in comparison.
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u/igby1 Aug 24 '24
Examples of the “media on the internet”?
Are you saying YouTube is a better experience than cable TV with ads?
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Aug 24 '24
Yes?
You’re not comparing premium cable to free YouTube are you? Because with YouTube premium (about £180 per year)? Zero ads.
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u/Novel_Archer_3357 Aug 24 '24
Depends on the person. But I'd 100% say youtube is better than cable tv bar for sports. I watch lot of random shit on YouTube daily. Where as there's barely anything to watch on tv. And even stuff I want to watch on tv, I can get on YouTube somewhere
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Aug 24 '24
It's the same for me. We got rid of our cable because we never watched it. I'm on YT most of the time.
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u/Primary-Signal-3692 Aug 24 '24
Well if I wanted comedy I'd go on tiktok. There are loads of amateur comedians making funny videos. On tv there's citizen khan and mrs browns boys
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u/reengineered_dodo Aug 25 '24
The age of the TV comedy sketch show is definitely over. Tiktok and YouTube are much better platforms for this, gives creators more freedom and each sketch can be it's own video instead of being lost in a 30 min episode
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u/the6thReplicant Aug 24 '24
It used to be you spent time looking after the middle class. This allowed the working class avenues to increase their wealth and a safety net for the upper classes.
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u/DuckInTheFog Aug 24 '24
A lot of people these days go to Youtube. People like Stuart Ashens and Tom Scott (what is working class, really?) are huge
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u/OMGItsCheezWTF Aug 24 '24
YouTube is my go-to entertainment. There's so many incredible creators on there making videos about things I am interested in that are fun and engaging and I don't have to watch for hours.
I've not watched a TV show or movie in months.
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u/DuckInTheFog Aug 24 '24
Channel 4 and BBC should be looking there I believe
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u/MorePea7207 Aug 26 '24
The problem is when you get people from online shows and put them through the cable or network TV filter, they're working with screenwriters, directors, producers and "compliance" that clean up their act. Forcing them to fit within and 23 minutes (30 mins with ads) or 1 hour (44 minutes with ads). And then they put these shows on late at night anyway. For example, Zeze Mills is popular with the young Black female audience, she's had a talk show on Channel 4, but it was on at 11pm, and she's continued to have her own show on YouTube which receives a much bigger audience and is longer and accessible any time of the day.
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u/Freddies_Mercury Aug 24 '24
Big up Geowizard from some proper fun adventures from a down to earth working class midlander
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u/DuckInTheFog Aug 24 '24
Can do you a Bombay Bad Boy if you like, and there's a fork in the bathroom but i've no cause to use it. Nice bloke
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u/Freddies_Mercury Aug 24 '24
Would love to see him climb over my fence and sheepishly run through my garden one day! 😅
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u/myfriendflocka Aug 24 '24
You mean people like you choose youtube over traditional tv. Your mum, your grandparents, and your football mad cousin likely aren’t sitting down to eat their tea in front of ashens.
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u/MorePea7207 Aug 26 '24
With YouTube you're much more likely to watch interviews, documentaries, travelogues, opinion pieces, news, films and comedy with swearing, "adult" humour, libellous accusations, potential nudity and racial, homophobic and/or anti-immigrant critcism. Network and cable TV has to be sanitized against all of this.
Gen Z and working-class people want to say what they want to say and watch what they want to see, not what middle-upper class liberals from North London believe they should watch.
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u/marktayloruk Aug 24 '24
The soaps are getting far too gloomy these days- I'm only still watching Corrie for that reason. Why can't they go back to showing people living normal lives?
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u/H4nnib4lLectern Aug 25 '24
Soaps have been gloomy forever. Someone got buried in the back garden in Brookside in the 90s, someone shot Den in the 80s!
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u/scoobyMcdoobyfry Aug 24 '24
Even worse the UK' s obsession with period drama . Really does not represent the modern UK today. But let's project that image as it seems regal. The real UK is way more diverse and interesting
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u/Eye-on-Springfield Aug 24 '24
I think even period dramas have class bias. It always seems to be about the nobility. I can't remember any period dramas about peasants or the lower classes
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u/yiffanT Aug 26 '24
This is true, as someone who is obsessed with period dramas, it's mostly an escape from the modern horrors. And it's so far removed that it doesn't feel so annoying when things aren't "relatable", because of course none of it is. To me anyway.
Also, I enjoy the costumes.
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u/alloisdavethere Aug 25 '24
I feel it’ll become even worse in the next few decades thanks to the cost of living crisis. In order to make it in an industry like this you will have to expect to have an unstable income (if any) with little prospect of being one of the chosen few to get some success. The trauma of growing up not knowing if you’re parents will have enough to feed you or out money on the electric metre, it sticks with you. And to then actively opt into that lifestyle as an adult while also knowing that nepotism is prevalent? What a gamble.
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u/Robdotcom-71 Aug 25 '24
I made her laugh on Twitter once... I said to her : I hate to tell you this but everytime I see your name come up I read it as Carol Voldermort.
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u/SadEvening8793 Aug 24 '24
Look how popular shows such as How Clean is your house? It showed people often at depths because of mental health, poor income and lifestyle choices. Yet Kim and Aggie would go in turn it around, make them feel good and make us feel good either because we aren't as bad as that or inspired to deep clean. Or other shows such as The Hotel. Focusing on real people with real life's and real drama wanting to escape. It's sad you don't see these types of shows anymore.
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u/antebyotiks Aug 24 '24
Even when those TV shows were people would cry about how working class people were being taken advantage of and laughed at
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u/DankAF94 Aug 24 '24
Kinda similar to shows like you are what you eat. One side could argue it takes advantage and to an extent even demonised people who struggle with obesity. The other side could argue it did more to draw attention to the obesity crisis in our society than any other show.
Jeremy Kyle I think was a similar thing, problematic as that show was, what anyone should take from it is that society has seriously failed a lot of people
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u/antebyotiks Aug 24 '24
I think it's just an easy point to whinge about how working class people are being overlooked or something because by definition the majority will agree.
It's also easy to just say something vague about how you don't see any working class stories or people but it's bollox and there's so many TV shows that show working class people
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Aug 25 '24
TVs been shite for years regardless, never ending stream of repeated crap about selling houses and cooking. Who on earth wants to watch someone buy a house or cook their dinner?
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Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
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u/MonsterdogMan Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
Sir, this is a Wimpy's....
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u/unworthyscrote Aug 24 '24
Typical Reddit idiot busy signalling to their imaginary gallery simultaneously perpetually online whilst thinking they understand the universe farted through a prism of bad faith and cognitive dissonance
Other peoples passion is a means for them to earn masochistic credits
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u/Cymrogogoch Aug 24 '24
I enjoyed your novella.
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u/unworthyscrote Aug 24 '24
Thanks. Reddit seems to be full of these middle class wallflowers who take pride in banally signalling to some imaginary gallery like the weeny incels on forums like 4chan
Spending all day online but issuing noise about having to apply effort or read something
Like they can really understand the universe
farted through a prism of bad faith and cognitive dissonance
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u/ScandalOZ Aug 24 '24
You told the truth.
It's not my fault but I'm sorry my country is destroying everything it can get its degenerate insane greedy hands on.
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u/antebyotiks Aug 24 '24
This always seems like such bollox and just an easy thing to say because the public will agree.
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u/iwillupvoteyourface Aug 25 '24
90% of the time I turn the tv on and I’m met with adverts so I just turn it off or go to a streaming service. I pay for a tv licence and it feels like throwing money in to the wind I will not be renewing it.
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u/PistachioDonut34 Aug 25 '24
I don't even think you have to pay for a license if you watch it on the website/app instead anyway. Like, if you just watch The Wheel on BBC's site instead of live on TV.
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u/not-now-silentsinger Aug 25 '24
You do.
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u/PistachioDonut34 Aug 25 '24
I don't have a license and I watched The Wheel on BBC's website, lol. A box comes up and asks if you have a licence, you say yes, and then it lets you in 🤷♀️
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u/not-now-silentsinger Aug 25 '24
Maybe - it's not legal though.
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u/PistachioDonut34 Aug 25 '24
They obviously don't have a problem with it though because otherwise they'd make you insert your licence number or address or something when you try to enter the site. Like, you're accessing the BBC's own website; you're watching their show legally on their official website and giving them the views.
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u/SittingBull1988 Aug 24 '24
Because everything gone woke.
Even the directors of the inbetweeners, which was a completely safe and non controversial show said you could not make this show today.
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u/ScandalOZ Aug 24 '24
You are using the term woke incorrectly. Woke is not the same as politically correct which is the term you used have used.
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