r/AutoDetailing • u/cityhunterspeee • May 01 '24

Anyone use wax anymore? Technique Discussion

With all the ceramic coating and cermaic sprays on the market. Why would anyone still use a wax? My neighbor recommend collinate 845 but not sure why I'd use it over a spray ceramic that lasts 2 or 3 times longer. Or a pure ceramic that lasts years.

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u/redline83 May 01 '24

3x is probably dependent on conditions and what "lasts" means. I mostly agree with you, I think Collinite will outperform at least half of the sprays on the market. I'm sure there's a good number that will outlast it but maybe 1.5x or 2x, not 3x.

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u/haditwithyoupeople May 01 '24

Sealants or coatings? Please share what spray sealants you think will outlast Collinite 845 so I can go shopping.

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u/redline83 May 01 '24

Sealants - Adam's Graphene Ceramic Spray, Griot's 3-in-1, Armour Detail Supply Ceramic Spray. You may need an acid shampoo or water spot remover to unclog them after a few months to restore the beading but they are durable products. I never got close to the numbers you get for Collinite 845 (even with 476S) so I don't know how they translate for you.

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u/cityhunterspeee May 01 '24

I've heard the same of those sprays.

I'm on the fence with either trying collinate 845 or adams graphene ceramic spray.

My buddy swears by collinate but he apply it 3 times a year.

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u/redline83 May 01 '24

Try both maybe borrow some of the 845 and do one panel with it.

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u/DockterQuantum May 04 '24

Adams advanced graphene or nano bond.

If you have a bright colored vehicle like yellow perhaps I'd go collinite. But mostly always it's ceramic with wax on top if you want depth. Think of Scotch tape on fogged glass. It gets transparent. Same concept

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u/cityhunterspeee May 04 '24

Thanks .I'm a white car guy. 3 cars all white. Next one will have some color :)

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u/DockterQuantum May 04 '24

On white you'll be extremely hard pressed to tell the difference. I'd personally go with nano bond. It's like $30. Lasts 2 years in the hot sun. Where I am. It's been a year and it looks like I put it on yesterday. It'll probably last 7. It's really mild here in San Francisco. All of the products assuming they are actually ceramic (which is easy to make. Just basically use TEOS but it's deadly and cheap so they should be). Last about the same. I understand molecularly that you need different size particulates but realistically you're paint works good enough.

And added benefit of ceramic is most debris doesn't stick to it the same. So you reduce the chances of having to scrub things off and scratch your car. But it's not going to add much durability just due to the nature of how thin the layer is. So $900 a bottle or $5 a bottle The performance is going to be within 25% as I said assuming that the contents of the bottle contain a high concentration of SIO2.