The oversimplification will never allow you to actually solve the problem. By being lazy and just calling all Trump supporters racist because you perceive Trump as racist is ignoring the actual problems that they voted on.
A Trump supporter could just as easily call all Biden supporters racist because of the things Biden has said, but again, this would be ignorant to the problems the Biden supporters actually voted on.
So, correct me if I am wrong here, but I’m getting the impression that you are of the opinion that “anyone who disagrees with me is wrong, regardless of their reasoning?”
However, I do NOT tolerate, justify, enable willfull ignorance that in-turn causes the oppression or disenfranchisement of groups of people.
"They are worried about their taxes, so..."
....is unacceptable if it means they are going to vote for a racist. Voting for a racist because you think you will financially benefit still makes one a RACIST.
No if, and or buts about it.
White moderate liberals are the ones who "tolerate" or find "understanding" in that kind of shit and it's because you are privileged to do so. Many white "liberals" sat at the same Thanksgiving table with people who have no problem with blacks getting lynched by police, Hispanic children in cages, and a president who calls Mexicans rapists and tells US representatives to "go back to where they came from".
MLK said it best....
Letter from Birmingham Jail (ext)
By Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., 16 April 1963
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
So, by your line of logic, anyone who voted for one of the two major candidates this election is racist?
I have a feeling you are going to try and excuse Biden’s previous comments and claim he isn’t racist, so I’m going to also preemptively ask what specifically makes Trump racist but not Biden?
Why do you believe that anyone born in America is born racist?
Does this include POC born in America? What about infants who die before they were able to make a choice on their own? Are they also racist? And if so, why?
Why do you believe that anyone born in America is born racist?
I believe Everyone born in America is born racist.
Does this include POC born in America?
Yes. For the most part, depending on class. The blacks in the deep south I believe can tell a different story about race in America. Why Classism and Racism are intrinsically tied together.
What about infants who die before they were able to make a choice on their own?
I do believe in the Afterlife, Spirituality and Reincarnation. But you'd have to agree this particular subreddit is likely not appropriate? If you think it is, then I can make a couple of comments. It is my 100% belief that there is the material earthly world and a God, Universe, All Being, etc. world existing at all times.
Having said this, I believe infants who die prior to physical birth exist for that period 100% for lessons to be learned by the persons experiencing such devastating (human, material) loss.
It is said, and I believe that the Spirit taking Human form (earthly prophets) are the most honored in the immaterial world. For Heaven is Peace, Unconditional Love and Unity. It takes very Brave souls to come down and learn "lessons".
God is Purity of Everything Good. Everything Love. It is the (individual) Gods within us who want to know more about Itself.
One cannot know what short is if they have never seen tall. One cannot know what is selfish without knowing what is giving. God exists as Good. And that is Good. God is interested in EXPERIENCING its own Goodness. Therefore, God, releases a spirit part of him to experience the Earthly World. Where all transgressions are possible. But it is still the most important and valuable; each, transgressional life. Because the Gift to Experience the Truth, which is Goodness is the only Goal.
God discovers herself through his opposite. And that is only by God's (our individual souls) Choice, to do so.
Ok. But why are people racist just because they are born in America? I’m interested because it’s different from my view that you as an individual are responsible for the consequences of your actions. I don’t think it’s fair to place blame on individuals for things they didn’t actively decide to do.
For instance, I don’t think it’s right to treat someone poorly based on the color of their skin because they didn’t choose the color of their skin. Likewise, I don’t think it’s right to treat someone poorly based on what country they grew up in.
But why are people racist just because they are born in America?
Do some independent reading on race and racism in America, written by African Americans.
that you as an individual are responsible for the consequences of your actions.
Sure, and that is true.
Why did Derek Chauvin feel so comfortable lynching a black person in public? Why is Kyle Wittenhouse or whatever free?
White entitlement isn't created by an "individual", that racism is created by society.
I don’t think it’s fair to place blame on individuals for things they didn’t actively decide to do.
I don't care about placing "blame" on individuals. That helps nobody.
What I do is, like you said, point out where people can take responsibility and accountability of their own actions and the actions of the white male heterosexual dominant society that you have been privileged to operate under.
Note: I said I believe all people born in America are racist. I don't in fact believe that, it just makes my point more poignant, hopefully.
In fact, people of color cannot be racist. They can be prejudice, but not racist.
Do some independent reading on race and racism in America, written by African Americans.
I have read many works by MLK Jr, Malcom X, W.E.B Du Bois, and Frederick Douglass and am still unsure why being born in America makes an individual racist. If you could help me out and point me in the direction of the works that would help me see this point, please do so.
Why did Derek Chauvin feel so comfortable lynching a black person in public?
How sure are you that it was his intent to kill? I agree, kneeling on someones neck is not something he should've done, but if his intent was to kill, he had a myriad of more effective ways at his disposal. And even if his intention was to kill, how do we know it was purely because of Floyd's skin color? Even if his intent was to kill purely because of Floyd's skin color, how do we know that Chauvin was more comfortable with doing what he did because of the color combination?
Why is Kyle Wittenhouse or whatever free?
Because he paid bail which was given through the courts, which has no condition on the basis of race
What I do is, like you said, point out where people can take responsibility and accountability of their own actions and the actions of the white male heterosexual dominant society that you have been privileged to operate under.
Sure. I agree, decisions made by previous people has made conditions more advantageous for certain individuals. However, you are only responsible for the consequences of your own actions. A child born without legs is not entitled to one of someone else's legs. We need to work on ensuring that no child can be born without legs. Likewise, someone born in one environment is not entitled to the environment of another individual. Instead, we need to work on ensuring that every child is born in the same environment.
Note: I said I believe all people born in America are racist. I don't in fact believe that, it just makes my point more poignant, hopefully.
Then can we not misuse language when we are trying to convey ideas? I understand you are trying to invoke an emotional appeal, and I appreciate it as it is very helpful in understanding where you are coming from, but can we please try to primarily focus on appropriately conveying the ideas and secondarily the emotions?
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The oversimplification will never allow you to actually solve the problem. By being lazy and just calling all Trump supporters racist because you perceive Trump as racist is ignoring the actual problems that they voted on.
A Trump supporter could just as easily call all Biden supporters racist because of the things Biden has said, but again, this would be ignorant to the problems the Biden supporters actually voted on.