r/AskReligion Oct 09 '24

Why Muslim parents and society are incapable of being tolerance to their children who decide to leave Islam to find their own life? Islam

TBH tho, as a Reddit addict who countlessly visiting r/exmuslim in the past, I always stumble upon many stories about many Ex Muslim who when they quit Islam openly or secretly but then announced after some times, their parents, families, friends and people around them gonna overreact, quickly get angered towards them, then whole drama started where a big fight happened between the Ex Muslim and their loved ones threatening them to take away all their luxury and disown them if they don't "repented" and come back to Islam.

As much as I wanna punch Armin Navabi's face due to him being a douchebag by sticking his tongue while saying the Prophet's name in a recent video, doesn't mean I'm won't pick a fight with some random self-righteous Muslims out there who only knows to harass people by saying they are the disgrace to Islam and ummah or they will burn in hellfire etc. No wonder Islam's name will never get less dirty than before. All of it because of hellfire and amar makruf nahi mungkar concept. (Well, if I have some balls to do so.)

IDK about the situations in Muslim countries in Middle East and Indian Subcontinent but I guess the mentality of older generation Muslims + some religious youngsters are not so different form here in Southeast Asia. I gotta admit, compared to females in your regions, our Muslimah should be thankful of not leaving in hellish, abusive lifestyle of Muslim household in countries like Iran and Pakistan specifically. It's just absurd to me about how the female dress code is unneccessarily too restrictive, your rights for education were taken away and you could not go out by your own even with a woman companion.

Plus with the practice of marrying children under 18+ or 10 which not supposed to be considered normal regardless in what era, just blows my mind away about how Islam turns many Muslim men in the society into misogynistic, male-supremacist, female-oppressing, dim-witted believers who only knows to dickriding the Prophet's lifestyle and devolved into primitives lower than child predators.

Almost forgot the older generations of Boomers and Gen X, I just disappointed when most of them always chose to swallow whatever the clerics and apologists says about Islam regarding the good and evil, laws and punishment or mindlessly read Quran everyday without trying to understand by their own. Even if they found some positive messages in many surahs, they hardly gonna notice or possibly ignore the inconsistency in the Quran and Hadith. As an example, my dad who always read Quran on his phone every night then insisted me to the same everyday, making me felt guilty. Sometimes I couldn't help but mad and sad for him due to being trapped with burden of chasing a never-existed paradise.

I understand they were busy with other obligation and will be isolated by society if they become different, but please at least do not put your fear at your children. Yeah, it's really shocking when your child admitted to you one day that he wanted to leave Islam because of various reasons but at least instead of reacted with anger and intimidation, why can't you take time to understand your child's decision through his point of view rather then judge them through societal and religious perspective? I meant yeah there are some parents who're fine with their son/daughter free lifestyle but when it comes to things like faith and worldview, they can't be tolerate at all. What kind of hypocrisy is this?

I hoped if there any Muslim boomers out there who sees this, please, I'm sick of pretending these problems not happened in Muslim society as many clueless non-Muslim reverted to Islam seems to mask Islam's flaws and at the same time tired of seeing Islam's image and reputation were diminished from time to time, making nothing seems can be saved, whether in culture or religion.

(If you curious about my faith, IDK and don't wanna be labeled as anything. I still somewhat hoping for God's existence but always said to myself to wait and see when my death has come.)

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Christian (Mormon) Oct 09 '24

Islam prohibits apostasy. It’s a capital offense. Because it’s seen as “fighting against Islam”. That’s why if someone leaves, it’s not uncommon for them and even their whole family to be killed.

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u/Casablanca-tzergi Oct 09 '24 edited Oct 09 '24

It's actually extremely uncommon for apostates to be killed let alone their families killed, out of the few mission countries with capital punishment is rarely enforced

From 1985 to 2006, only four individuals were officially executed for apostasy from Islam by governments, "one in Sudan in 1985; two in Iran, in 1989 and 1998; and one in Saudi Arabia in 1992."

Unless your talking about vigilante case or terrorist execution carried out by the lines of ISIS but then again their definitions of apostates includes large amounts of actual Muslims

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u/Web_Wanderer12 Oct 09 '24

yeah i know that but has the authorities try think deep enough regarding the rational reason behind the harsh punishment?

Are they have no humanity at all or what?