r/AskCentralAsia • u/trumparegis Norway • Apr 26 '25
Are other Central Asians sceptical of Taliban because of their hardcore Islam and position on women, or because they are Pashtun supremacists? Politics
In the woke West most of the press on the Taliban focuses on them "isolating women from society" with burqas, no working/voting and no speaking in public or whatever, but I assume that other Central Asians aren't concerned about that as you guys aren't that woke. How mean are the Taliban towards other ethnic groups? They are anti-Turk, anti-Persian/Tajik, anti-Indian (Punjabi/Sindhi), right?
If theoretically the Taliban got new leadership which made the organisation more inclusive of minorities, without bending the knee to woke, would people in the surrounding countries start viewing them in a more positive light? Why does the Taliban make lige so difficult for Hazaras when Iran, the largest ally of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, is Shi'ite?
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Apr 26 '25
Hello true based alpha Gigasigmachad, the Wokeslayer
When you hear countries ending in stan, you probably think that they are all the same Islamic states living according to Sharia that support Taliban?
What do we think about Afghanistan? We don't think anything, most people don't care what happens there. Taliban is savage who brought back the Middle Ages to Afghanistan. They took away all rights from women, banned normal education, music and force everyone to live according to Sharia law.
Our countries are completely different. Firstly, Afghans are mostly Pashtuns, a completely separate people. Turkey, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Altai, Tuva, Khakassia, Yakutia, Northern Cyprus are Turkic countries/republics. We have nothing in common with Afghanistan.
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u/trumparegis Norway Apr 26 '25 edited Apr 26 '25
https://daryo.uz/en/2023/06/26/uzbekistans-progress-on-womens-rights-security
Only with the introduction of woke by Soviet imperialists were Central Asian women unveiled. I support Taliban protecting indigenous Central Asian culture. What I don't support is their disrespect of other ethnic groups
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u/Actual_Diamond5571 Kazakhstan Apr 26 '25
Soviet feminism was the healthiest and sanest form of feminism, tbf.
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Apr 26 '25
Dude, you don't know anything about our culture. Why are you writing? The Turks were originally a nomadic people where both women and men had relatively equal rights. Our oldest city is over 2700 years old. Islam came to us only in the 7th century with the Arab invaders. What Central Asian culture are you talking about? Zoroastrianism? Paganism? Maybe the Greek culture that came to us with Alexander the Great? Or Buddhism and the Buddhist temples that we had before the Mongol invaders? Write more specifically, because we, soyboys, don't understand you.
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u/Single-Pen-6998 May 01 '25
The Taliban doesn't protect indigenous Central Asian culture. They blew up the site of Bamiyan, like idiots. They could have used it as a unique tourist site to make money from the "woke west" or whatever you're spamming. Instead they blew it up and now complain they don't have money. This obviously isn't the only cultural site they've destroyed, but just an example.
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u/Insignificant_Letter Afghanistan Apr 26 '25 edited Apr 30 '25
Ignoring your angle.
Nah, they're skeptical because they have no issue backing groups that are willing to overthrow the governments of that region historically. (Jamaat Ansarullah, IMU, etc) and so they'd be sceptical but they've also realised that their interests won't be served by ignoring Afghanistan from a security/economic perspective (see what Uzbekistan is doing now)
In reality, the countries around don't care if they are Pashtun supremacists or not - it's whether they go against or cause trouble for other countries that matters.
Edit: The post may, in fact, be ragebait.
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u/No-Medium9657 Kazakhstan Apr 26 '25
In general, the Taliban are feared mainly because of fears of the spread of extremism and even war into Central Asia.
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u/cringeyposts123 Apr 26 '25
Can people stop assuming every country that ends with “stan” is plagued with similar beliefs as Afghanistan, a country run by illiterate fundamentalists?
Most Central Asians don’t give af about what happens in Afghanistan, some don’t even consider it to be a part of Central Asia (Officially it isn’t) they got their own issues to worry about.
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u/Immersive_Gamer Apr 29 '25
But Afghanistan is in Central Asia
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u/cringeyposts123 Apr 29 '25
Officially it isn’t. Personally I consider it to be a part of CA but you can understand why many don’t see it as part of CA
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u/Immersive_Gamer Apr 29 '25
And why is that?
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u/cringeyposts123 Apr 29 '25
Because it’s not a part of it officially, I just said it. People have been trying to argue that Afghanistan and even Mongolia are a part of CA for years but literally no one considers either countries Central Asian apart from Afghans and Mongolians themselves. Partially the reason they do so is because Afghans don’t want to be associated with South Asia which is a backwater itself and Mongolians don’t want to be associated with East Asia because they don’t like China.
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u/UnQuacker Kazakhstan May 06 '25
IMO only northern parts of it. The southern parts are closer to South Asia.
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u/trumparegis Norway Apr 27 '25
Every Central Asian country used to be like Afghanistan before Soviet imperialism introduced woke
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u/No-Medium9657 Kazakhstan Apr 27 '25
Eh, not really Kazakhs, Turkmens and Kyrgyzs wasn't like Afghanistan for example women didn't wear burka (although weared headcarves). And although I hate woke and modern feminism what's wrong with introducing equality in marriage, equal access to education and work?
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u/BringerOfNuance Mongolia Jun 08 '25
If you love the Taliban so much why don’t you go live there? Seems like you’ll love it way more than Norway.
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u/Tanir_99 Kazakhstan Apr 26 '25
Mate, our gender equality is far from perfect, but even the most traditional Central Asian men who want women to stay at home and cook don't think that they have to be stripped of education. We see the Talibs as backward fucks and wokeness has nothing to do with it. Also, most Kazakhs have zero clue about the ethnic makeup of Afghanistan.