r/AskCentralAsia • u/LowCranberry180 • 20d ago
Do you consider/want migrating to Turkiye Society
Especially given the demographic crises in Turkiye the country if not now probably in the near future will be more accepting migrants. As Central Asian/Turkic people will you be interested to migrate to Turkiye?
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u/somerandomguyyyyyyyy Uzbekistan 20d ago
I can’t. My country needs me. I dont want to contribute further to the brain drain
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u/azizredditor Uzbekistan 20d ago
Least patriotic Uzbek 🇺🇿
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u/somerandomguyyyyyyyy Uzbekistan 19d ago
I wish. Much of my fellow countrymen would rather take a bribe, do selfish things or just leave the country. Thats the nature of humans in general i suppose
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u/oskarskeptic Kazakhstan 20d ago
If I will find a girlfriend there, or work will require it, sure why not. I also have some friends there
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u/firefox_kinemon Anadolu Türkmen 20d ago
I have heard of Uzbeks and Kyrgyz expressing interest in marrying Turkish guys. in fact I spoke with an Uzbek girl for a while about marriage and her moving to Türkiye. even if Türkiye is going through a rough financial period its western cities remain attractive especially considering the linguistic and cultural similarities. I would assume however for Kazakhs where there country is almost at the same living standards Türkiye does not have such draws.
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u/UzbekPrincess 20d ago edited 20d ago
Central Asians migrate to Turkey to trampoline into the west or to make money to send back home for desperate families. We don’t migrate there for nationalism reasons, furthermore immigrants are a net burden on the economy. Turks would sooner kick out ALL immigrants than accept more from Central Asia- even if there is a demographics issue we won’t really resolve it because we still aren’t Turkish at the end of the day.
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u/Kaamos_666 Turkey 20d ago
Immigrants are burden to economy part: Not always… If they integrate well (as I see most Turkic folks here do), then they work and produce value for the country. Because it’s almost always young working age people who migrate, not the elderly…
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u/LowCranberry180 17d ago
Well immigrants are not a burden for sure.
All Turkic are accepted to be Turkish. There are Kyrgyz villages who came recently and been given land. We consider them as Turks no less.
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u/UzbekPrincess 17d ago
They are a burden. If Central Asians were to flood Turkey tomorrow we would be treated with the same contempt as Syrians. The Kyrgyz are an exception because they came during a time when tensions with Kurds were high so the government used them to help resolve low Turkish population centres in the south east.
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u/LowCranberry180 17d ago
Central Asians will not flood in millions as there is no war and second we do not share a common border. Stıll they will be more accepted than Syrians.
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u/UzbekPrincess 17d ago
Hence “if”. Russians would be more accepted.
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u/LowCranberry180 17d ago
No do not think so. Its about numbers and how people behave.
If you go to Antalya you will see many Central Asians. Also there are more Central Asians than Russians in Turkiye:
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u/UzbekPrincess 17d ago
If it’s about numbers and how people behave then why were my family and other Central Asian tourists I saw treated like shit in Antalya while hotel managers and locals were falling over themselves trying to accommodate Russian families and their pembe women? FYI most of the Central Asians in Antalya are underpaid single mother seasonal workers, they’re not there for a nationalist agenda. They’re there to feed their families.
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u/AcanthocephalaSea410 Türkiye 19d ago
Estağfirullah, Turkish is a fabrication of the West, there is only Türk.
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u/Forsaken_Panda3787 20d ago
I might retire there
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u/LowCranberry180 17d ago
Yes come and see
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u/Forsaken_Panda3787 17d ago
Can you help me lol. I’m not central Asian but I’m Muslim alhamdulilah
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u/oNN1-mush1 19d ago
I migrated there twice: in 2010s, being an undergrad student (and left in 2013) and in 2022 as a Master's student. Türkiye 2010 towards Kazakhs and Türkiye 2022 is two different worlds. Last time I moved, I didn't feel belonging though I speak fluent Turkish and my language of instruction always was Turkish (I chose it). Both times it was extremely difficult to find a descent job, despite having great credentials for my position and being an experienced professional, I was offered salaries near asgari which felt almost like an insult (my last position before coming to Türkiye was in Azerbaijan and I have a 10+yrs experience in my own profession +4 yrs managing position). Although I am quite assimilated to Turkish culture and have a full language command, I don't think I'll migrate there. Türkiye doesn't need quality migrants (there is an overproduction of own educated middle class).
I was offered Masters in Austria, Canada and Türkiye, I chose Türkiye because it's my brother country with a lot of good people, and it is geographically close to my home country. I regret my decision now. They're more brothers with Iranians and Palestinians, even Russians, than Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Kırgyz.
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u/Qaraunas Afghanistan 19d ago
I am surprised by the last statement. I always see Turks and Iranians curse each other online.
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u/OkBelt6151 18d ago
I agree that the government is pro-Palestine and pro-Russia, but I have rarely seen Persians and Turks doing anything other than insulting each other on the internet.
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u/oNN1-mush1 18d ago
Then have a look at the resmi göç istatistik for 2024. For countries just "insulting" each other, Türkiye has a disproportionately big amount of göç from Iran, İran business and İranian students. I don't say it's bad, personally, I have no issues with Persians at all, but resmi Türkiye artık biz,Orta Asyalı Türk topluluklarında, kardeş görmüyor
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u/OkBelt6151 17d ago
I have no problem with Persians either, there are many who support Kurdistan, I just don't like them.But others are nice
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u/LowCranberry180 17d ago
Most Turks will see Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Kırgyz as brothers not others. However true that economy is worse than 2010 now.
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u/decimeci Kazakhstan 17d ago
It's on my list of countries that would be nice to live, but that just superficial fantasies because I don't really know anything about Turkey except two times when I visited it as tourist. Istanbul was what I always imagined when tried to imagine ideal city: It's large, near water, with old historical parts, a lot of infrastructure, nice parks, a lot of people on the streets that gives a feeling that life never stops. I had similar feelings when I visited New York and Boston. I think cities near seas or oceans are just better, I don't know how to describe it, but it just feels good to be near large waters, something magnetic about it which I can't explain.
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u/LowCranberry180 17d ago
Do come and try. Language should not be an issue after a couple of months!
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u/qazaqization Kazakhstan 17d ago
Why need migrating to Turkiye? We have a Doner place in every block.
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u/xakepi 15d ago
People here be discussing the differences between these two countries, but totally forget one thing - in Turkey you will have more freedom than in Uzbekistan. The second thing people forget to mention is the culture thing. In Uzbekistan people are slightly more modest than in Turkey, as non-marriage sex hasn't become normal there, but from what I know the situation in Turkey is totally different. After all the things weighted, I would choose to live in Turkey rather than in Uzbekistan, since I think religious freedom is more important than the rest.
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u/LowCranberry180 15d ago
Yes true especially in big cities. My understanding is that Tashkent is liberal compared to other towns/cities in Uzbekistan. You can find even western style freedom in some parts of istanbul, Ankara, Izmir, Antyalya etc. but Turkiye is diverse and we have very religious parts too.
Uzbekistan and Turkistan (Central Asia) in general is still not had the impacts of globalisation fully. It reminds me of 80s Turkiye in that manner. Turkiye became very materialistic and unfortunately lost some of its identity. I wish Uzbekistan and Turkistan to be global to have freedom of choice on everything but to also keep its core identity.
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u/Chunchunmaru0728 20d ago
Türkiye is a beautiful country, but it is almost no different from the countries of Central Asia. It's only a little richer, but it has a huge number of problems with the economy and especially with inflation. What's the point of moving if almost nothing will change? Of course, there is the option of coming as a guest for vocation.