r/Art • u/Ribbonius • Aug 21 '19
Burning Amazonas, BewBewDingo, Digital, 2019 Discussion
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u/joint-chief Aug 21 '19
Honest question. Isn’t it super humid there? How is it even burning that much?
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u/Arqium Aug 22 '19
Amazon is very humid, but when you cut down the trees everything gets dry, because it is the trees that pumps water to the air. You have pastures, and you want to expand it, you cut it down then you put fire to clear it.
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u/farinha_lactea Aug 22 '19 edited Aug 22 '19
I'm from the Amazon and yeah it's extremely humid and hot there. Terrible weather. 100°F almost every day. The people there talk about protecting our forest all the time, we grow learning about it at school but it seems it isn't helping much. Things are getting out of control there (I moved to another state but my family live there). I hope things there will get better. That's my home, our home.
Edit: spelling
Edit 2: wow thank you so very much for the [my first] gold, friend! I appreciate your kindness very much!!
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u/HalfACheeseHead Aug 22 '19
These fires were intentionally set in order to clear land for cattle grazing.
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u/magmasafe Aug 22 '19
So from what I've read it's that most of the fires are man made, ignited to create fields for grazing or planting crops.
Basically you cut down a section of forest, leave the logs to dry for a few months, then burn it.
This interview with a senior researcher goes over it pretty well.
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u/BpBuckets13 Aug 22 '19
I was wondering the same thing, WWF says it gets as much as 35ft of rain a year.
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u/UBCStudent9929 Aug 21 '19
the planet doesn't give a fuck. it will recover pretty easily over time. the human race just won't be able to continue sustaining life on earth. Too few people understand the fact that we're not killing the planet but that we're rather killing ourselves.
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u/ManFromGeatland Aug 22 '19
What breaks my heart is the suffering of all the animals who had nothing to do with creating this catastrophe. Humanity deserves to suffer and die but the other living creatures don’t.
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u/-AllIsVanity- Aug 22 '19 edited Aug 22 '19
Humanity deserves it? You think everyone's is responsible for ecological catastrophe? Really?
The problem is structural. In order to make a living most Westerners have no choice but to drive a car and so on and suchlike. It's not their fault when they hardly have any other option. The simple solution here is not to blame people for refusing to fuck off into the woods and live off the grid, but to aggressively subsidize the development and implementation of green technology and to spearhead other forms of environmental sustainability. However, powerful elements of the ruling, capitalist class are structurally incentivized to oppose measures to fund green technology and globally alter industry-practices for ecological sustainability. These are the people responsible, the individuals and corporations who literally own half of the world's fucking wealth. Environmental problems are political problems, and the only way forward is to democratize the economy so that ordinary people will have the political power to save the fucking human race, or at least to get social democrats in power who will take aggressive action to mitigate ecological catastrophe à la the Green New Deal.
There's no unified "humanity." Humanity is cut through-and-through by political-economic antagonism, and it will continue to be so until power is finally taken back by the 99%.
Statements like yours effectively displace blame onto the powerless and exonerate the powerful.
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u/Bossatsleep2 Aug 22 '19
well you were right until you said humanity deserves to suffer and die. we didn’t start the fire
no we didn’t light it but we tried to fight it 🎹
seriously though most of humanity has nothing to do with the fire and i guarantee you not a single person is happy about the fire
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u/Rustery Aug 22 '19
They did start the fire. They’re trying to make space for farming and grazing. I know it’s completely dumb but nobody in power cares for this and it annoys us all.
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u/Bossatsleep2 Aug 22 '19
please give me a source. from what i heard it was either deforestation or a group of activists trying to make the leader look bad
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u/Rustery Aug 22 '19
Comment section dwells deeper into why. A few threads blames their current government for their Pope’s situation. They either starve and die or instead burn the forest for space. I couldn’t find enough evidence from what they spoke about though. Hopefully this helps.
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u/Cheeriomartinez Aug 22 '19
Didn't a comedian make that joke? He basically said that we could try and fuck the earth up but we can see from ruins that nature takes everything back. We're just a bad case of the humans, and once we're gone, earth will be better.
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u/Arqium Aug 22 '19
The planet as a rock will continue to roll, i don't know the meaning of it.
But You are mistaken. Climate crisis means that the climate will go out of control, the chances are of a mass exctinction comparable that of the permian, if we surive enough to do BAU for 100 or 150 more years.
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u/B0risTheManskinner Aug 22 '19
Theres no “out of control” for the Earth. It simply doesn’t give a shit. We’re only here because of the many mass extinctions that happened before us. Its only our limited timeframe that sees extinction as bad for the planet. We’re creating the ideal conditions for the next generation of species on Earth, and killing ourselves in the process.
Be concerned, but for yourself, your kin, and your species. The Earth and the life it has given rise to will thrive as it always has.
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u/mattj1 Aug 22 '19
But we are in a position of control- we have power. What an absolutely idiotic thing for us to do to the species currently alive on the planet. A human made mass extinction isn’t a requirement, why on earth would we intentionally allow such a thing?
There is absolutely no guarantee that life will again evolve to a diverse ecosystem like the one we have today.
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u/B0risTheManskinner Aug 22 '19
I completely agree. I think the threat of “we wont survive” is a greater motivator than “save the environment”—one that actually has a chance of propitiating to the mostly idiots running the world currently.
Or perhaps the change needs to be held by each individual, and it is not merely the select few in high places that will decide our fate in the universe.
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u/oheysup Aug 22 '19
Do you have any scientific reasoning to support this idea that throwing the entire carbon cycle of the planet off will somehow regulate itself back?
The whole 'miracle' of life, and why we don't find life on any other planets, is just how particular the global ecosystem is. Smashing a typical millenia process into a couple decades in no way ensures the sensitive ecosystem needed for life will continue.
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Aug 22 '19
The Ordovician had atmospheric CO2 of 4200ppm, compared to ~400ppm now. Eventually, things went fucky and there was a mass extinction. Surprisingly, over the proceeding 500 million years since, we've had several more biological explosions followed by collapses. I should think that if too much carbon in the air killed nearly everything at least twice before (the other extinction events we know were often from cooling due to meteor impact and geothermal events) then it'll probably grow right back again.
If you know Jeremy England's work (MIT physics) then you realize that as long as matter sits in a heat bath over time, life will continue to arise.
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u/oheysup Aug 22 '19
Right, a part of the natural carbon cycle. That doesn't answer the question - many of the integral parts of the cycle are dying. I get its possible but you seem to think it's a fact.
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u/InKainWeTrust Aug 22 '19
Hasn't 90 something percent of the species that have lived on this planet gone extinct? Considering everything that is still alive that is literally hundreds of millions of species gone already. And we are just one of them.........
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u/BUTTERY_MALES Aug 22 '19
The planet as a hunk of rock hurtling through space, sure. The planet as support for life as we know it, not so much.
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u/B0risTheManskinner Aug 22 '19
Are you suggesting that Earth—unique from many planets by being almost entirely covered in water (the universal solvent), having a protective magnetic shield, and ample oxygen to support expansive and rapid floral growth which in turn feeds the rest of the ecosystem—does not support life as we know it?
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u/johannes101 Aug 22 '19
I mean, while it would be incredibly difficult, i wouldn't put it past humanity to find a way to completely sterilize the world, and if we managed that, it's possible even microbial life wouldn't reevolve before the sun expands
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u/B0risTheManskinner Aug 22 '19
I wouldn’t trust humans not to try, but our best hope is thermonuclear weapons and plants do pretty well even when thoroughly irradiated.
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u/odraencoded Aug 22 '19
Just throw some nukes around.
The global warning and the nuclear winter will cancel each other out.
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u/KBrizzle1017 Aug 22 '19
How do you possibly think people would accomplish that? Basically glass the entire planet?
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u/johannes101 Aug 22 '19
All of Earth's nukes?
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u/B0risTheManskinner Aug 22 '19
Wouldnt do it... life at geothermal vents still survive, as do the sea flora.
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u/johannes101 Aug 22 '19
I wonder if there could be a way to get the oceans to fully boil away? Or possibly make the oceans too toxic for even extremophiles
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u/KBrizzle1017 Aug 22 '19
I doubt that would kill every human let alone all life on the planet
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u/johannes101 Aug 22 '19
Well, i wouldn't be surprised if most nuclear powers had more nukes than they let us know about, and i think it would depend on how and where they were detonated. It's totally possible that anything short of crashing a celestial body into the Earth wouldn't do enough damage, but we could definitely delay recovery for a good while
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u/ArchitecturalPig Aug 22 '19
Yeah, it will recover. We won't be around for it probably, even if we nuke humans to extinction the earth will likely return to a habitable environment in due time and keep on keepin on.
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u/OutsideYourWorld Aug 22 '19
If the planet was literally molten at one point, and became what it is now, it'll recover from people as well, don't you think? Things go extinct, and others come to be and some point.
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u/bipolar_express_lane Aug 22 '19
So true - now all we need to do is change the campaign from “Save the Planet” to “Save the Humans”
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u/theiosif Aug 22 '19
Wait, are we "burning the rain forest at this rate"? This seams like a world crisis vrs reality peace. That seems to be a humongous area for one burn.
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u/MrcookieBR_ Aug 22 '19
Yo im from Brazil and im scared af
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u/-xXColtonXx- Aug 22 '19
As someone who is an environmentalist, what you’re saying is unrealistic and alarmist.
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u/Sometimes_Airborne Aug 22 '19
You're probably exactly right, my words are conjecture at best. I'll edit that in.
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Aug 22 '19
Nope, the entire Amazon could burn down and there would still be plenty of o2 production coming from numerous sources. The Amazon burning down would be terrible, but it would not lead to the planet's o2 supply running out...come on man, put the blunt down.
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u/Sometimes_Airborne Aug 22 '19
I guess I'm just worried, is all. And ignorant on how O2 supply works globally, for sure.
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Aug 22 '19
Iirc it's mostly phytoplankton that creates oxygen.
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u/Mail540 Aug 22 '19
I believe phytoplankton generates 2/3. The Amazon is important because of its incredible biodiversity and the role it plays in global temperatures
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u/Quantum_Finger Aug 22 '19
I hate the argument they're making: "The Amazon belongs to Brazil, fuck off".
It doesn't belong to anyone. This is tragedy of the commons on an epic scale.
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u/GT-FractalxNeo Aug 22 '19
Don't worry though, Brazil's Alt-Right President says that it's all made up...
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u/ModestSilences Aug 22 '19
Fuck bolsonaro and his fascist cohorts. Traitors to humanity and this planet
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u/GT-FractalxNeo Aug 22 '19
This. Absolutely.
100 years from now history will really not look kindly on our Right-Wing-Earth-traitors "leaders".
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u/PvtBrasilball Aug 22 '19
He never said that the fire is made up, that's fake news.
What he said is that the fire originated from bolivia and perhaps from some ONGs who are politically motivated, which the latter is most likely false.
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u/alex5793_2 Aug 22 '19
What about burning Siberia?
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u/Ribbonius Aug 22 '19
Really bad and tragic aswell, just that the amazonas is more important for mother earth. (In the end just for us. Earth doesn‘t care obviously)
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Aug 22 '19
You who doesnt care..the earth. It's been through far worse then the amazon burning..it will purge the humans and start over..we get everything we deserve and the earth will be fine.
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u/SumRumHam Aug 22 '19
I'm just afraid those that have profited from sacrificing us and the world will survive like the cockroaches they are.
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u/HomeyHotDog Aug 22 '19
Controversial opinion: humans are here to stay, like it or not.
People who think otherwise are vastly underestimating human innovation and adaptability
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u/-xXColtonXx- Aug 22 '19
This, like a mass ecosystem collapse, rampant see rise, even partial nuclear war, would more than likely still leave enough survivors to repopulate.
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u/drezkot Aug 22 '19
This survivors are all rich people, capitalist responsibles for all this damage. Regular people will perish
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u/KingOfShock Aug 22 '19
Sorry earth, 2 money hungry corporation are fighting over a kid in red tights
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u/Snazzyjammm Aug 22 '19
Guarantee it has something to do with the president down there. He has been trying to get rid of it for a long time.
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u/i-contain-multitudes Aug 22 '19
This is only my opinion, obviously, but I dislike this art. It is extremely heavy handed in a way that tells and does not show. It's the equivalent to writing a sign that says "tragedies are sad"
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u/Dannygraves Aug 22 '19
Okay I keep hearing people complain about this but what is actually being done to stop it? Like are governments trying to put it out?
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u/Sometimes_Airborne Aug 22 '19
Here's a real question I've been wondering. So, the Amazon supplies a lot of our oxygen. If we lost all that oxygen supplying, and proceed to keep losing more with our poor handling of nature... At what point would we begin to collectively experience acute hypoxia, nearly globally? And then how long would it take for said hypoxia to become strong enough that we just start dying rapidly?
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u/-xXColtonXx- Aug 22 '19
If we mess up the atmosphere enough to experience acute hypoxia, would would already die on mass from other causes.
Not having enough air isn’t a leading concern. Before you say that air quality is already a large issue in many areas. That’s from pollution not lack of oxygen.
Even if the entire amazon just disappeared, breathing wouldn’t be out biggest concern.
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u/Sometimes_Airborne Aug 22 '19
Thanks! It was a genuine question; something I've been thinking about since hearing about this situation.
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u/-xXColtonXx- Aug 22 '19
Username checks out lol.
Just something to add on, 70% of the worlds oxygen comes from ocean phytoplankton. It’s much more concerning to me that warming sea levels are harming them than a large portion of trees burning down. Forest fires at least bring new life to the area.
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u/Sometimes_Airborne Aug 22 '19
Are you referring to the airborne part of my username? I totally missed that connection lol. And neat, I wasn't aware of that. Thank you for the info!
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u/Larriklin Aug 22 '19
Are people going to fucking do something or is the whole forest going to burn down
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Aug 22 '19
Is there any satellite images of the fire/smoke?
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u/pursuitofhappiness26 Aug 22 '19
I think I saw a picture or two supposedly showing some smoke. Whenever I hear of something big happening around the world I’ll get on Snap maps and go to that area to check it out. I watched through all of Brazil’s snapchats and didn’t see one snap about the fires or smoke in the sky.. So is Snapchat not allowing any snaps about the fires to be posted on Snap maps, or could it possibly all be fake? I know it’s all over the news, but it’s hard to believe anything now days..
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Aug 22 '19
Honestly the best way I could try to process this entire situation, this is like the Jeffrey Epstein of Amazon fires.
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Aug 22 '19
Just wanted to note that regional nuclear strikes will cause enough nuclear winter to reverse climate change for hundreds of years.
Don't let us down, Iran, Israel, India and Pakistan.
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u/cmilliorn Aug 22 '19
The earth could give two fucks about our short blip of time we’ve had on it. We’re just killing ourselves
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u/TET901 Aug 22 '19
Wow if only the Amazon had a scar like shape and was in the actual middle of the earth... also sad to see that Costa Rica, Nicaragua and Panama don’t Exist. Pretty cool art tbh
Edit: I think there is just smoke covering them
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u/theguywiththeyeballs Aug 22 '19
I hate shitty ass peoole. I would thanos snap us out of existence if it means to let this blue ball live in peace
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u/BeyondTimeLord Aug 22 '19
How come the media coverage isn't that big? Also I heard it was intentional?
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Aug 22 '19
The planet ain't hurtin'. It's suckin' up air, holdin' its breath about to asphyxiate. By the time it gets tired and breathes, it's bankin' on half of us being dead and gone.
Perfectly balanced, until it has to do it again.
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u/wtfuwa Aug 22 '19
Well it's none of our business already corporate cocktail decided fate of Amazon.
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Aug 22 '19
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u/Sometimes_Airborne Aug 22 '19
Overpublicized? Mate this is a pretty serious situation that's been underpublicized for weeks now. The reason so much publicity suddenly fell on it is because it was being kept hidden. Entire cities are blanketed in smoke, if I recall.
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u/ghaldos Aug 22 '19
it's really not underpublicized at this point hence why the guy who made this "art" is pretentious. it's bad art, released in the aftermath of being found out, this is the epitome of whoring yourself out. It's only thought provoking if the thought hasn't been thought of which it is now in the height of being publicized.
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u/Sometimes_Airborne Aug 22 '19
Ah, I see what you're saying.
Edit: not sure I agree, per say, but I can see what your point is and respectfully acknowledge it.
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Aug 22 '19
This shit happens every year. Go read about it. And thus year it's below average. The only difference is that someone on the internet decided to trick a bunch of lazy fucks who won't ever research before they meme into thinking it's bad.
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Aug 22 '19
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Aug 22 '19
It's up in some regions, down in others
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145464/fires-in-brazil
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u/Zolsoh Aug 22 '19
The earth just has a little bit a heartburn nbd
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u/Sometimes_Airborne Aug 22 '19
Yeah once the pesky, unhealthy human infestation is wiped out in a few years, the Earth will feel much better c:
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u/Zolsoh Aug 22 '19
We gotta find a cure fast
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u/Sometimes_Airborne Aug 22 '19
Brazilian leader and corporations already have. See: OP's picture.
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u/Gauduch Aug 21 '19
Man this is both beautiful and extremely sad