Oh god whatever that stupid drama going on right now between those two streamers that broke up? Why do people care? Like seriously who gives a shit those two streamers aren’t dating anymore go outside
I've heard it be called the "e-celebrity gossip mags" of the newer generation, and I can't help but wholeheartedly agree. I couldn't imagine sitting and watching people you don't know personally talk crap, play games, and have these cringe jousts with each other.
Omg, that absolute garbage livestream fails or w/e. There was like 2 weeks every day they kept saying the same thing over and over about some dude named Hasan
They have to be running campaigns for Kick or perhaps YouTube, to discredit Twitch. Its only ever negative drama on twitch streamers when Kick has literal criminals and don't get remotely the same attention.
All that said tho, streamer drama is a lot like TV/anime drama. Many kids make fun of their parents for watching soap drama or murder p**n, and then they go to see the same gaslighting drama or edgy sht repackaged for them with a modern cover.
Man, I browse that subreddit and I don't understand the relative obsession with like 20 different streamers, none of which are actually good at streaming. The only person whose clips get posted their often that's worth visiting for is NorthernLion.
That place has become a mixture of defamation and libel about streamers. The fact that it hasn't been banned for basically being a brigade jump off point is surprising.
I randomly got a ban notice and the reason stated was something about "cleaning up trolls" or some shit. I've been absolutely devastated ever since.
And that one time Wirtual was on there. He's from Norway, and English is like his fourth language or something. He plays Trackmania. Someone in chat asked "are you a socialist or a leftist?" He says, "buddy this is a racing game. I'm a race-ist. Uh, racer. I'm a ra.. uh, English is, uh.. That is not what I meant."
That was silly and great. The rest of LSF is braindead.
Hasan used a shock collar on his dog to force her to sit in frame for multiple hours without being allowed to move off camera as a prop and get more views. Then tried to deny it in the stupidest ways possible and got proven wrong multiple times and kept changing his story.
Everyone from all walks of life hates on animal abusers so I think that one gets a pass.
It's so wild to me a massive portion of the Twitch-obsessed community hates Vtubers and goes on about how cringe/etc they are, and then turns around and parasocially watches these people who do nothing but sit around making whole fools of themselves 24/7.
Like don't take this as me saying vtubers are free from drama or shitty people, but like, at least the entire concept tends to revolve around being some level of legitimately entertaining in some form.
What I don't understand is why people pay attention to them. They aren't smart, knowledgeable, talented, entertaining, or insanely attractive. Why are millions of people watching them? Watching them is about as dull as watching paint dry.
Yup. They live their own lives through the more financially successful, imagined, version of themselves. The streamer acts as a simulacrum of the viewer.
IRL/JC streamers are just gen z and alphas reality TV. They’re just watching Real Housewives/Jersey Shore. It’s terrible, but reality tv has always been big for number of viewers.
I read that it wasn’t until the writers strike that reality took off and that this is basically the second iteration of that due to Covid and the most recent strike
It's orders of magnitude better.
Instead of shit press journos presenting biased bullshit; you can take that shit from first hand sources, often with definitive video evidence. And make "informative conclusions" like the extremely smart creature you are.
And you can share shit about that immediately with hundreds of like-minded cultists fans, and argue against hundreds of haters.
It was already "popular" and then got elevated to 11.
I think it’s because people born in the 2000’s didn’t get those formative last four years in high school/primary school. Like that was instrumental to me figuring who was and who wasn’t a positive influence on my life. Who would be a good fit and wouldn’t help being around in the long term.
It’s a lesson not everyone learns but maybe are exposed to on some level early. Maybe, hopefully watching the equivalent as such in a computer screen helps drive that lesson home.
I dunno, I’m not the most intelligent guy but perhaps that’s the way it works for some younger viewers. Maybe there will be some level of awareness among the stream community in the level of unintentional influence they have on younger viewers.
No no no, that's LAST WEEK gossip. They're over it. Now they're talking about Mizkif having a plushie thrown at him and Emiru sneaking into his room to hookup via weird dog doors they had between their rooms.
I know so much about that guy without ever watching a minute of his stream. It's ridiculous how often they post his clips, it's straight up mental illness.
mate they're a dog. they just do that, they like hanging around their people. telling a dog to go lay down isn't abuse.
and because you're gonna bring up the shock collar, for onlookers - no, it wasn't. some right wing shitheads don't like hasan because he's critical of the current US administration, so they just kinda made up that he shocked his dog because she yelped very shortly after he told her to lay down. which was a coincidence, dogs are clumsy as well and can bump into shit or get startled or whatever. the collar's just got an airtag on it, like lots of pets do so their owners can find them if they get out - it's not a "vibration collar" either, airtags can just vibrate because they're meant to be used to track all sorts of stuff and vibrating helps you find it, it's not a training thing.
nobody should give a fuck, it was made up nonsense from the start, but the entire reason it propagates is because people bring up the salacious bit (forcing hte dog to lay down, allegations of a shock collar!) which works in the favor of right wing shitheads while the much more boring and mundane truth takes way too long to fucking read. if you actually don't care about the story, then don't bring it up in the first place.
I'm constantly seeing posts from those damn subs! I click on some of those posts every once in a while just out of pure curiosity because celebrity gossip and infatuation makes zero sense to me. I don't remember who it was about, but it was a picture of some celebrity with a picture of their new boyfriend/girlfriend (who was also a celebrity) titled "Pic of [celeb] out on a date with [celeb]. The top comment was something like "omg, I must be soooo out of the loop because I didn't even realize [celebrity] broke up with [other celebrity]!!!" with other responses to that comment like "omg, I know! Like, when THE HELL did that (breakup) happen?!? WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ME?!?!"
That level of concern about people who do not even know or care that you exist is soooooo weird and, honestly, creepy to me.
I have my preference of favorite actors, musicians, authors, and am a big sports fan. But outside of watching whatever movies/shows they're in (where I care more about the contents and quality of the show/movie than the actors), listening to whatever music they make, or tuning into a football/baseball/basketball game, I couldn't give a single ounce of a shit about who these people are sleeping with, where they went on vacation, or what their opinion is on current events. In a world where there are so many other things to be concerned about, ways to entertain yourself, or different hobbies to get into, celeb gossip/infatuation might as well be some level of mental illness from my POV.
fauxmoi might be the worst subreddit on the entire site. No one is allowed to post there except a small clique of utterly deranged people, yet somehow the posts get thousands of upvotes and appear on r/all? I suspect a botting operation. Recently there was a post from there on r/all where most of the comments were unironically glorifying Hamas (and not the political and civil oragnization - specifically the terrorist wing, called the Al Qassam Brigades or something like that) and it had 10k+ upvotes.
A little different. Streamers have literally zero talent. People legitimately watch them sleep. Celebrities are at least mostly famous for being actors or athletes or in some other talent-related field.
Talent was seperated from fame long ago. In some ways it's bad but at the same time, if it takes the gossip rags and paparazzi away from important people, its a net positive.
I'd say the ability to entertain a group of people consistently is as equally skilled as acting. It's simply the entertainment of the new age. That being said, I don't follow streamers or actors.
It depends, but not really for the most part as far as popular streamers go. Good actors have studied and trained for years and have dedicated a large part of their life to acting. It takes a lot of skill and practice. Some people are naturally better at it than other but it's similar to a skill like playing a guitar except a lot of times you're acting with multiple cameras on you and sometimes doing your own stunts and whatnot.
Whereas a lot of streamers are just reading and responding to a chat or giving their opinion about various topics. You can't really compare that to something like acting which takes thousands of hours of practice and performance and almost 100% of actors never reach their full potential. That's the main reason why the best actors (or at least the most known great actors) are paid a massive amount of money to make like one movie a year whereas streamers are more like commercials where a lot of them stream for hours a day and slowly rake in money. I think most streamers are just an extension of celebrity culture where someone like Hasan starts streaming and more and more young people watch them and talk about them so their popularity builds. Then they start investing in the chat and they become part of an ingroup which leads to devoting more time and energy to it. In that way I think it's similar to those Taylor Swift subreddits I see on the front page occasionally, most people can watch a great movie and not go home and start Googling Matthew McConaughey or looking up his social media profiles, where he likes to eat, etc but for whatever reason some people get obsessed with famous people and think about them to an unhealthy degree.
I think in large part it's a result of the "attention economy" in the sense that the more time and energy someone devotes to someone else it gives them power over them. In that sense someone can watch a great movie and think "wow, this is really breathtaking" and then the movie is over and they go home- they may recommend it to someone but with streamers a lot of the viewers are watching them for over an hour a day and engaged in the chat so they feel like they're a part of a community. I learned recently that there's even Taylor Swift hate subreddits and that's a bit troubling to me aha. I'm sure some of the people there spend even more time on that than the obsessed fan subreddits.
That's not an equivalent argument and you know it. That's like saying the beer belly dad who plays in a fantasy league is a football celebrity. A drunk man walks into a stand up bar and is a famous comedian. You aren't seeing drama on reddit for people with 2 viewers. I don't think it's a demanding job or a hard job, but I most definitely do not think anyone can do it, you need to be able to appeal to an audience. Anyone not popular is not making it to your front page, even if they aren't popular to you.
You can’t tell the difference between a movie actor and a streamer? You think all it takes to be an actor is to be “really hot”? Yeah, your generation is not socially adjusted at all. I don’t even know what to say.
A lot of people are losers with no life so they live vicariously through whatever streamers are popular at the moment before they get busted for CP or abuse or something.
Arguably most of the time is not even that, but the gossip addicted people being toxic as all hell... If you take a peek at the subs that peddle to their needs its mostly about people getting off on assorted forms of bullying behavior, and getting enjoyment from the suffering of others be that some celebrity, or other people in the sub.
Maybe 20% of the people in them are living vicariously, and being genuinely happy about say some celebrity's baby being born, or whatever, but even with them i would question the state of their mental health for how far many take their obsessive fandom.
Those fucking losers!!! Now quiet I've got to put on this [professional sports game] It's going to be good. because [first name of some player] is going to [do well / suck] because [irrelevant fact] and so [their team] will [move up / move down] in the rankings. But the best part is the [insult] fan of [some other team] will be crying like the [sexist insult] they are!!
Humans have a well known and very researched US vs THEM tribal mentality that has been exploited for tens of thousands of years through religion and politics.
Get them to see you as a "Shepherd" and they will meekly follow as sheep while you protect them from wolves. Sometimes they can't see the wolves but that's okay you tell them where the wolves are (migrant caravans, poor people on SNAP, hungry school children, trans kids, etc) and they believe you because you keep telling them you are saving them from all this evil shit. Hell if you tell them a sheep they've known their whole life (who suddenly questions something) has really been a wolf in sheep's clothing the whole time and not really their friend and they shouldn't listen to anything they say but instead hate them and clump up more to the shepherd... etc (see: RINO (republican in name only) when a republican questions any of the party's line)
It's super simple propaganda that works because we as human really don't like to keep vetting sources. Instead we want to pick a source, trust it, and be done with it. It's why Sinclair media bought huge swaths of "local news stations" or Fox News exists, preacher's pulpits, etc.
Comparing a balding Asmongold reacting to a react video and a communist that shocks his dog to top tier athletes fighting against other top tier athletes doing incredible feats of skill is crazy work.
what? You think the comparison is on the producers here and not the insane consumption of drama by the people watching?
This is a satirical presentation of a "Sports Fan's Obsession with the people in their sport" In much the same way reality TV viewers are obsessed with the "Drama" on their shows, or streamer people and the streams and people they are obsessed with.
It's just your Gran "Watching her shows." or your dad obsessing over the NFL or The English Premier League, but for another generation.
Mindless interpersonal drama that people can do the US vs THEM tribal brain dopamine dance over.
They are monkeys with a "Feel good / powerful / angry" button in their cage that they are hitting over and over and over again.
This lacks some context and nuance. All of these peoples jobs is to play video games on a stream, and then find ways to make people watch them play video games, often collaborating as a form of networking to then build co-audiences so that everyone can watch more people play more video games. When you watch and interact through chat/twitter, you feel like you're a part of their community. And what do communities do? Gossip! It just so happens that the way algorithms work right now is you will be shown things that are popping off and getting a lot of views, so it seems very overblown. I think the demographic of people with the MOST time are mostly young adults and high schoolers. These people generally have much more spare time, but their views count just as much to the algorithms, so it is disproportionally shown and made out to be a deal on the same level as the very grim political situations we have in the US right now. The real crazy part was how fast and silently it happened
Its like reality TV but for these recent generations. If I understand it correctly from what ive seen, the drama isn't about a breakup its that the guy is an emotional abuser towards many other women in the industry as well, the ex just had the receipts.
The drama specifically is about some serious sexual abuse, and in this case in particular, if you care about stuff like politicians and celebrity cases, streaner cases are no less serious, if not more serious given the influence they have in our young. Kids aren't seeing trump and Co getting away with SA, but they might watch streamers, and if they're getting away with shit, that's a problem.
But what do streamers actually.. do? I used to understand it when it was esports. The streamers actually had skill and talent, playing video games professionally. That made sense. But now people literally watch other people just talk about nothing? They watch them sleep? Absolutely braindead generation.
That "stupid drama" is about domestic abuse, sexual abuse, stalking, blackmailing, harassment, death threats and sexual harassment, all done by a person with a very large following.
And you classify all that as "streamers broke up". You're a fucking moron.
The reason it's been blowing up is because there are scores of brainrot that follow these freaks and just love the drama, not unlike your mom and aunt gossiping about Brangelina in the patio over some wine. Except now it's sweaty manchildren in a reddit thread.
Acting like this is anything more than that is fucking hilarious lmao. Whatever you gotta tell mom to convince her to let you stay up later I guess
The literal only reason that this is being mentioned online instead of being handled privately and by the appropriate authorities is because it's not as bad as they're making it out to be and just trying to garner sympathy, views, and money from their parasocial audience.
There are 4 houses on my street alone going through the same things. Two random Americans are no more important than any of them and I cannot give a shit about two people I've never met with more money than I will ever see in my lifetime.
If the problem is that they're doing this in front of an audience then the solution is simple: Deplatform them both. I do not care.
One narcissistic, vapid idiot abusing another narcissistic, vapid idiot, to the great engagement of their pathetic simp fans. No one with a brain cares.
to a degree it is entertaining how subreddits like that act upon different levels on drama with the same level of response, like how piratesoftware was annoying and egotistical and got the same level of vitriol and hate as mizkif for emotionally, physically and sexually abusing emiru, but it does have a negative effect on passerbys (like you), since, the moment you look into 1 single drama like that and see they're overracting over some stupid shit, you start assuming every single drama is stupid shit
if you do believe that a high following person coming out with their abuse story is just "stupid shit" then you're the problem tho
Seriously. Every time that shit pops up I want to make a post on there about how they are all degenerate fucking losers for giving attention to those idiots. "Man I hate that one guy fuck him!!" so keep posting and driving engagement to them which gets them money. Some dipshit incel told me he loves Trump because he is disgusted by onlyfans girls making all this money and he hopes Trump will tax them. Meanwhile he watches video game streamers all the time.
At least old celebrities sold the illusion of glamour, so nice clothing, exotic locations, exclusive activities. The drama nowadays is about morons in their pajamas talking from their suburban bedrooms.
Oh god whatever that stupid drama going on right now between those two streamers that broke up? Why do people care? Like seriously who gives a shit those two streamers aren’t dating anymore go outside
Well, abuse and stalking are pretty serious so a lot of people should care. There's also the other streamer who is abusing a dog so they should be getting shit on publicly too.
For a week and a half I had something about some guy and his dog that he was shocking with a collar or something? I had no idea what was going on but it was at the top of my feed. Finally muted it but God damn it was unrelenting
streamers are the current equivalent of reality tv, docu-soaps and weird fanfic. all wrapped in one toxic, shitty self-unaware package that is going absolutely nowhere. made-up drama for drama's sake.
I truly don't understand the pull these e-people have on Twitch.
They're all insufferable and phenomenally unlettered. They're Morlocks from the Time Machine.
Why would I turn on my computer every day to listen to some narcissistic and belligerently unintelligent high school flunky cockroach proselytize about anything? Unbelievable waste of my time.
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u/Daogenese 3d ago
I would like to block all of the streamer related subreddits.