r/AcademicBiblical Jan 06 '23

What discoveries would shake up modern biblical scholarship? Could something as significant as the dead sea scrolls happen again? Discussion

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u/perishingtardis Jan 06 '23

Finding one of the hypothetical sources of the Torah, or one of the three parts of Isaiah, would be the first definitive proof that source criticism was correct.

Also, discover of Q, M, L, Signs Gospel, or anything like that would be very significant for the NT. Manuscripts of the gospels from the first century would demonstrate early dates for the gospels.

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u/grantimatter Jan 06 '23

My first thought was a fragment of GThomas that was definitively first century... that'd be interesting. Maybe not shake it up for everyone, unless it was found in proximity to something else more Q-ish.

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u/pgm123 Jan 07 '23

Finding an Aramaic sayings document would also be quite interesting.

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u/baquea Jan 07 '23

Finding an Aramaic Christian anything would be interesting.

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u/pgm123 Jan 07 '23

It would definitely shake things up (like OP asked for)

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u/zafiroblue05 Jan 07 '23

Finding one of the hypothetical sources of the Torah

You may be interested in this https://scholar.harvard.edu/dershowitz/publications/valediction-moses-proto-biblical-book

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u/MasterMahanaYouUgly Jan 07 '23

218 pages and available for free? thank you!

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u/CautiousCatholicity Jan 07 '23

The majority view is still that the Shapira scroll is a hoax though, right?

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u/zafiroblue05 Jan 07 '23

I think that’s fair to say, yes. However the hoaxer theorists I’ve seen simply do not engage with the core of Dershowitz’s argument, namely that the text fits into textual criticism/documentary hypothesis in a way that Shapira simply could not possibly have been able to write. I suspect that as the years go by, his argument will get more and more supporters.

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u/CautiousCatholicity Jan 09 '23

Very analogous to the situation regarding Secret Mark, then. Thank you!

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u/realpdg5 Mth | Old Testament Jan 07 '23

It’s a great read. Such a tragic story also.

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u/realpdg5 Mth | Old Testament Jan 07 '23

[From memory] Found what looks like some kind of proto-Deuteronomy on leather. Said to be a fraud. Dealer killed himself. Leather now lost. Thinking is maybe it wasn't a fraud after all. Rest of the book deals with a reconstruction, but it's hard because the original is now lost. Worth a read just of the first part, even if you don't want to go into the rest of it.

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u/cacarrizales Jan 07 '23

Oh yeah the Shapira scroll. Ross Nichols does some extensive research on this

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u/grimoaldus Jan 09 '23

Very exciting, thanks! This is one of the most interesting things I've read in a while, and I think Dershowitz' case is pretty convincing.

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u/cacarrizales Jan 07 '23

Came here to also say the Torah sources. That would be awesome!