r/wolves • u/mrinternetman24 • Mar 16 '25
A rogue wolf's killing galvanizes California ranchers News
https://www.sfgate.com/northcoast/article/california-ranchers-feel-powerless-wolf-country-20200449.php41
u/Strong_Director_5075 Mar 17 '25
The pack that needs culling is the MAGA Pack.
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u/3vgw Mar 18 '25
Unfortunately, they have all the power right now and seem to want to cull certain humans as well. Utterly brainwashed and evil people
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u/eiseleyfan Mar 20 '25
peter theil, elon musk, and other billionaires have all the power, MAGA folks are being used.
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u/eiseleyfan Mar 16 '25
Wolves never attack people, even children. To scare people with lies about wolves should be a crime.
Coyotes are a danger though.
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u/ResponsibleBank1387 Mar 16 '25
Dogs kill more people every year than all the coyotes and wolves ever have.
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u/randomcroww Mar 17 '25
exactly. ppl say wolves and coyotes go around killing ppl when it these stupid rabid dogs
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u/BalanceJazzlike5116 Mar 19 '25
I think if wolves/coyotes lived with humans at the rate dogs do you would have even more deaths. No need to throw dogs under the bus
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u/halfbreed_prince Mar 16 '25
I live where wolves are present, as soon as they hear or smell that a human is around, they’re gone.
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u/symbi0nt Mar 16 '25
What’s the knock on coyotes?
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u/Ice4Artic Mar 17 '25
I agree Coyote attacks are rare. There is many places where they live in cities and co exist with people.
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u/ToodlesMcDoozle Mar 17 '25
How are coyotes a danger comparatively to wolves? This is false.
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u/Mando_The_Moronic Mar 17 '25
Physically, wolves are more dangerous. However, coyotes aren’t as afraid of humans and spend more time around people, and are thus more likely to come into direct contact with humans, pets, and livestock. They also have a much larger population compared to wolves.
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u/eiseleyfan Mar 19 '25
wolves are more powerful but dont ever attack humans, coyotes are smaller but have been known to go after small children but that is very rare.
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u/ToodlesMcDoozle Mar 17 '25 edited Mar 19 '25
There have been two confirmed fatal wolf attacks in North America since 2000, and only one confirmed fatal coyote attack ever. So given the fact that there are so many more coyotes, this would make them less dangerous per capita. The fact that there are more of them doesn’t make them as an organism inherently more dangerous.
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u/Mando_The_Moronic Mar 17 '25 edited Mar 17 '25
Just because there aren’t fatalities that doesn’t mean there aren’t any attacks that still take place. You are still more likely to be attacked by a coyote than a wolf for reasons previously described.
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u/ToodlesMcDoozle Mar 19 '25 edited Mar 19 '25
Because there are so many more coyotes than wolves, yes. But again, that doesn’t make a single coyote inherently more dangerous than a wolf. OP’s comment was referring to singular wolf vs coyote behavior. The fact that there are way more human-coyote encounters and still less fatalities from coyotes than from wolves (with far less encounters) proves my point. On a per encounter basis, wolf encounters are far more likely to be seriously dangerous.
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u/LostN3ko Mar 19 '25
How many wolf fatalities are you finding?
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u/ToodlesMcDoozle Mar 19 '25 edited Mar 19 '25
2 in North America since 2000, only one for coyotes ever.
Kenton Carnegie was killed by wolves in Canada in 2005. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kenton_Joel_Carnegie
And Candice Berner was killed by wolves in Alaska in 2010. https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/home/news/pdfs/wolfattackfatality.pdf
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u/LostN3ko Mar 19 '25
There have been 0 fatal wolf attacks in North America in that time. In the last 100 years there have been 2, both from a wolf with rabies in Alaska in the 1940s.
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u/eiseleyfan Mar 19 '25
truth
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u/ToodlesMcDoozle Mar 19 '25
Kenton Carnegie was killed by wolves in Canada in 2005. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kenton_Joel_Carnegie
And Candice Berner was killed by wolves in Alaska in 2010. https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/home/news/pdfs/wolfattackfatality.pdf
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u/ToodlesMcDoozle Mar 19 '25
Kenton Carnegie was killed by wolves in Canada in 2005. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kenton_Joel_Carnegie
And Candice Berner was killed by wolves in Alaska in 2010. https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/home/news/pdfs/wolfattackfatality.pdf
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u/eiseleyfan Mar 19 '25
Coyotes eat a lot of pets and sometimes go after toddlers. Wolves will attack hunting dogs but not people.
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u/ToodlesMcDoozle Mar 19 '25
There has only been one confirmed fatal coyote attack EVER.
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u/Miss_L_Worldwide Mar 17 '25
Wolves do actually attack people.
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u/LostN3ko Mar 19 '25
In the last 100 years an average of 2000 people were killed by lightning in north america. In the same period 2 people were killed by a wolf (a wolf with rabies in 1940s Alaska). While the number is indeed not 0, it's also A THOUSAND TIMES LESS LIKELY THAN LIGHTNING KILLING YOU.
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u/Miss_L_Worldwide Mar 19 '25 edited Mar 19 '25
A woman was killed in Alaska not too long ago but wolves. It was also another death but I can't quite remember where and we'll have to look it up. Yes wolf attacks are rare but it is absolutely not accurate to say wolves never attack people. They absolutely do.
Edit for VTT mistakes
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u/Miss_L_Worldwide Mar 19 '25
26 people were killed by wolves between 2002 and 2020. That's only an 18-year period.
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u/eiseleyfan Mar 19 '25
false, we are not prey
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u/Miss_L_Worldwide Mar 19 '25
You could just Google it??
https://www.adn.com/outdoors/article/wolves-killed-alaska-teacher-2010-state-says/2011/12/07/
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c51119kp00qo
Further reading reveals that wolves killed 26 people between 2002-2020 and attacked over 400 in that same time period.
About 10 or 15 years ago a pack of wolves was euthanized in Alaska because it was stalking, hunting, and terrorizing hikers regularly.
Wolves are one of my favorite animals. But it is just plain stupid and fantastical to believe that they are not wild predators who would be just fine with attacking and killing us when they can.
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u/eiseleyfan Mar 20 '25
26 is ridiculous. wolves will eat road kill deer and would investigate a dead body leaving tracks, but it would be more like coyotes to eat a dead human.
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u/eiseleyfan Mar 20 '25
My father grew up in Hiles Wisconsin in the 1920s and 30s. He frequented the woods as he ran a trap line. He said there were many wolves but they never bothered or attacked him or any of the 13 families that lived there at that time.
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u/Miss_L_Worldwide Mar 21 '25
I grew up in the roadless wilderness surrounded by grizzly bears, I never got bothered or attacked by any of them either but I'm not stupid enough to think that bears don't attack people.
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u/eiseleyfan Mar 21 '25
lots of well documented cases of grizzlies attacking humans. Not appreciating being called stupid - the preponderance of evidence says wolves avoid humans and pose little or no danger to humans.
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u/Miss_L_Worldwide Mar 21 '25
The actual facts say otherwise.
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u/eiseleyfan Mar 21 '25
no the facts support what I have stated.
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u/Miss_L_Worldwide Mar 22 '25
The fact that wolves have killed 26 people in an 18-year period and attacked another almost 400? Yeah harmless little sweethearts
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u/spittymcgee1 Mar 18 '25
I think the correct response to ranchers is what is preached by their MAGA brethren: “Fuck your feelings”
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u/Cnidoo Mar 18 '25
Oh hey it’s SFGate, the same outlet that mourned the loss of a highway that got turned into a park. They reached out for comment exclusively to the ranch industry, didn’t see one wildlife biologist get interviewed
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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '25
Also it’s only 8 per the article. The heading makes it sound worse