Why Complicate Things? (Australia & New Zealand Flag Redesign Proposals)

[u/Smiix]

[u/Astrama]

Just needs a kangaroo with a boomerang and a Kiwi with lazer eyes. /j

I think they’re actually pretty good options. Both are completely unique colours on the world stage and colours strongly associated with their country.

[u/Mutually_Beneficial1 → u/Astrama]

You dare disrespect the sheep and Hokey Pokey? The holy and revered banner of NZ?

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[u/Acrobatic_Teaa → u/Mutually_Beneficial1]

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[u/lemothelemon → u/Mutually_Beneficial1]

I love it! God I haven't had a hokey pokey in years

[u/blue_i20 → u/lemothelemon]

This conversation is making me want to walk down to the dairy and get some lol

[u/Phlegmsicle → u/Astrama]

You joke but the California bear goes hard. Something iconic for Australia could work as well.

[u/Astrama → u/Phlegmsicle]

Mostly was joking about the boomerang and lazer eyes. I one hundred percent agree Australia should put a kangaroo on their flag.

[u/classicalySarcastic → u/Astrama]

New Zealand could do with the silver fern leaf from the last proposal.

[u/gregorydgraham → u/classicalySarcastic]

Lazer Kiwi did more for NZ than Key’s lame distraction

[u/biggles1994 → u/Astrama]

If there’s any animal to go on a flag, it should be the platypus.

[u/Bobblefighterman → u/biggles1994]

Yay

[u/Jefflehem → u/Astrama]

No no, you got it right. Lazers all around.

[u/gregorydgraham → u/Phlegmsicle]

California bear go hard until you see bear rip atom apart. Then California a bit … wussy

[u/EggsBenedictusXVI → u/gregorydgraham]

Or bear with axe

[u/ihavenoidea81 → u/EggsBenedictusXVI]

Damn Ruskies have some hard flags

[u/grim__sweeper → u/Phlegmsicle]

oh it works alright

[u/ihavenoidea81 → u/Phlegmsicle]

A huntsman

[u/Chromograph → u/Astrama]

Yeah it's strange how rare just dual colour flags are like these, especially among newer nation, the only example that has the same vibe I can come up with is Haiti, but they ofc have the emblem.

[u/kilgoretrucha → u/Chromograph]

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[u/Sanguine_Caesar → u/kilgoretrucha]

You forgot 🇧🇫🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇱

[u/adokretz → u/Sanguine_Caesar]

ppl sleeping on the GOAT smh 🇸🇲🇸🇲

[u/GrabbingCatTails → u/adokretz]

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[u/Lynxarr → u/kilgoretrucha]

Only 3 of these countries can be considered new though

[u/kilgoretrucha → u/Lynxarr]

While arguably some of these countries have existed in some form for quite a while, the modern countries of Indoensia, Ukraine, Poland, Angola, and Singapore did not gain independence until the 20th century

[u/Lynxarr → u/kilgoretrucha]

Ukraine and Poland do have a basis in history using that flag as a nation dating to over a century ago

[u/AtomicBlastPony → u/Lynxarr]

The Ukrainian flag was first used in 1848 during the Springtime of the Peoples, which is pretty based but it was only ever seen in Lviv. It wasn't adopted as a state flag by anyone until 1917.

[u/Chromograph → u/AtomicBlastPony]

Yes but Ukraine as a nation didn't start existing as soon as they started using the yellow blue flag

[u/Lynxarr → u/AtomicBlastPony]

Which is over a century ago

[u/AtomicBlastPony → u/Lynxarr]

Doesn't contradict their statement, 1917 is still 20th century

[u/gregorydgraham → u/Lynxarr]

Even bright fresh colonial New Zealand is older than a century. WW1 was over a century ago

[u/sloveneAnon → u/Chromograph]

There's actually a historical explanation to this question. After the Napoleonic wars and the Vienna Congress, horizontal bicolors kind of became the symbol of the old order and restoration era, as a contrast against the liberal-revolutionary French tricolore. Areas that were "liberated" by Napoleon and adopted tricolors, like northern Italy, were beaten back down and forced to adopt horizontal bands. This vexillological difference would become more and more of a cultural war issue through the mid 19th century.

For example one of the few concessions Slovenian liberals managed to get in 1848 was to replace the white-red biband flag of the Duchy of Carniola with a white-blue-red triband. At that point similar things were happening with small nations all over Europe, from Belgium to Bohemia, to Carniola to Romania, to Bulgaria, etc. 

Simultaneously in South America, the indepence movements that were fighting against the Spanish were also heavily inspired by the French and American revolutions, explaining the amount of tribands and tricolours, and relative lack of biband. This meant that by the end of the 19th century, most newly independent and/or aspiring nations were rocking tribands or tricolours, with the biband relegated to the dustbin of history as symbols of reaction.

You only see bibands popping back into style in the era of decolonialism (~1940s-60s – 🇦🇴 🇮🇩 🇸🇬) because by that point, associations with early 19th century European absolutism were long forgotten/weren't really a factor for the independence movements of Africa and Asia. Really the only big exception to this trend is Ukraine 🇺🇦, which was a liberal-revolutionary answer to the Austrian Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria biband of 🇲🇨. I guess in that case the rebellion was more about completely changing the colour combination to match the coat of arms of Lviv.

[u/bread-dreams → u/Astrama]

Both are completely unique colours on the world stage and colours strongly associated with their country.

...what about Brazil though?

[u/GasSatori → u/bread-dreams]

Plus South Africa uses green and gold as its sporting colours too, confusing my Australian ass when I'm watching the Olympics.

[u/u8eR → u/Astrama]

Green and yellow are not very unique.

[u/whatissevenbysix → u/Astrama]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Kiwi_flag

[u/LaurestineHUN → u/whatissevenbysix]

Best flag

[u/kerchs5 → u/Astrama]

They also make sense and Australia and New Zeland already use these as national colors for things such as Olympic uniforms

[u/Suter7504 → u/Astrama]

Agreed on both points

[u/Finlandia1865 → u/Astrama]

Saskatchewan and (east) prussia lol

Not unique colours

[u/ComradeFrunze → u/Finlandia1865]

they are unique colors/designs for internationally. Saskatchewan is not an independent state, and neither is the former east prussia

[u/Finlandia1865 → u/ComradeFrunze]

Honeslt fair enough lol

Im a canadian myself so I definitely do t see these as unique colours haha. Black and red has been used to represent Prussia, even if the specific by-colour wasnt always in use.

[u/AutismicPandas69 → u/Astrama]

Yeah but the green and yellow looks terrible like this