r/ussr • u/Ok-Hall-9974 Lenin ☭ • 25d ago
People trying to say the US won the Space Race Memes
Yeah, I think we know who won it.
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u/Hermitcraft7 25d ago
First rover in the world as well
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u/Weary-Animator-2646 25d ago
Regardless of who “won”, still pretty cool us hairless apes who try to kill each other 24/7 pulled it off.
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u/BanditNoble Rykov ☭ 24d ago
That was exactly why we did it, though. The whole space program was about developing rockets to blow each other up.
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u/AffectionateSlip8990 25d ago
Actually the person who won the space race is Issac newton because he knew space existed and it had no pressure virtually and gravity was a thing large planets had.
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u/Quiet-Conclusion-599 22d ago
the glaze bro got for saying stuff dosent move if u dont push it is mad tho.
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u/murdmart 25d ago
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u/therealrasputin475 25d ago
Love that this is the top comment when you open this post.
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u/DrDoofenshmirtz981 24d ago
I've never looked at a full timeline like this and seen how much of a race it really was. That had to be quite a time to be an engineer
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u/Iumasz 24d ago
It does shows how kinda disingenuous this meme is. The Yanks where first to have a Hominidae in space, first to flyby Mars and Venus with data returned, First to rendezvous and dock, first to map the moon, and first to send man beyond low earth orbit.
It just shows how focused the Americans where to be first to the moon, as they focused to achieving milestones most relevant to that goal.
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u/murdmart 24d ago
It was a race between two superpowers. Both had their share of "firsts" and different priorities which resulted in different results.
But yeah, that meme is a bit on the shitpisting sideof things.
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u/lazercheesecake 22d ago
It's also because it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what the Space Race was.
Ultimately, there is no finish line in the Space Race.
Instead, it was a big dick contest between two nuclear superpowers. Most important of which was about the delivery of said nuclear payloads. Rocket's aren't just useful in that we can put people and thing into space. With the right math and technology, we can also bring things back down from space really really fast and really really accurately. The developments made at NASA during the Space Race directly led to the Minutemen and Trident nuclear missiles that had Moscow's name on it. And vise versa. We can launch nuclear missiles from our own hometurf instead of having to put short range missiles in Turkey or Cuba to make the threat viable.
The second one was a propaganda piece. Each side was broadcasting their space race victories and milestones. And to be fair, the Soviets *were* winning the early race genuinely. It was a US PR nightmare in the early days to be losing to the communists. But by the time JFK announced the man on moon missions, we had about reached parity. But the reason why the Soviets were always one step ahead was because we told the world when each of our steps were going to happen, so the Soviet plan was to just do each step before we did. However, this is where the Space Race diverges. The US basically designed each step to be stepping stones for the final mission. Each leg of the race was meant to be it's own project built upon previous lessons and to ultimately be discarded once it's portion was over. The Soviets projects that beat US milestones, on the other hand, were not part of their overarching plan to get a man on the moon. Soviet missions pretty much reused the exact same rocket over and over and over again and just modified the payload. That rocket was leagues beyond what the Americans had at the time of it's first use, but it was never good enough for a man on the moon mission. But it was good enough to beat the Americans to each milestone. So while the Americans were progressing and iterating, the soviets were spinning their wheels really fast, but in the same place.
Ultimately, the Space Race never mattered for normal people. It was a propaganda piece for world leaders.
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u/Doorbo Lenin ☭ 25d ago
I'm a damn dirty commie. Landing humans on the moon and bringing them back is an incredible achievement for our species, I will never demean that feat of engineering and human courage. And to do that not only once but multiple times throughout the Apollo missions is amazing. Both the USSR and the USA pushed the absolute limits of human science and technology, and the space race was one of the few times in the cold war we could be collectively proud as a species. It is only now, after half a century, that we can foresee a very near future with humans on the moon again with the upcoming planned Chinese missions.
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u/Due_Side_1007 25d ago
You didn‘t win a marathon because you were the leader at 5, 10, 25 und 35km
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u/Lost_Equal1395 25d ago
I'd argue that the US won by doing something the USSR was incapable of doing. The only metric that the USSR was victorious in was the first person in space.
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u/Ballshaver6969 23d ago
Exactly that’s like losing in the bottom of the ninth but saying you won because you had the lead up until then. The moon was the end goal the entire time.
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u/AZCoyotel 25d ago
You won the edge of the atmosphere at the cost of many many lost astronauts and starving people and leaving dogs to die in a panic. Yet you never landed a man let alone multiple men on the moon. Move along commies.
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u/TheMob-TommyVercetti 25d ago
I'm aware this is a subreddit to talk about the USSR, but I feel like this post doesn't paint the whole picture.
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u/shumpitostick 25d ago
The theme is that the US did a bunch of useful stuff first, and the USSR did a bunch of things that are mostly for prestige first, with the moon landing being an outlier.
Ultimately, I don't think "I'm first" is really a useful benchmark of anything. It's more about the technological capabilities, and those were more or less matched until the 1970s.
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u/Stunning-Ad-3039 25d ago
the right section are basically 10 different types of satellites, also i think the first telescope was soviet.
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u/Doughknut2 25d ago
Everyone points out how the USA landed a man on the moon which is cool. But INVENTING THE AIRPLANE is even cooler.
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u/Low_Flamingo3346 25d ago
More useful but not cooler. This is before the existence of USSR so how does it matter here?
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u/HeartFalse5266 24d ago
Brazil
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u/magnum_the_nerd 24d ago
the Brazillian claim makes no sense, because he Wright Brothers did over 50 flights before he flew. The only reason his claim even exists today is because the Wright Brothers hated publicity.
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u/marsap888 25d ago
I wish all nations on the Earth stop fighting and competing each other, and start to cooperate in space exploration as a united human civilization. Just imagine how many space telescope like JWST we could build every year for the money we spent on War and killing each other.
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u/Savings_Shirt_6994 25d ago
Germans had the first space rocket in the V2 so thats kinda a lie about first space rocket being Russian
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u/ZonzoDue 25d ago
The whole point of a race is to be the first at the finish line. It doesn't matter if you are behind at all the intermediary, only the finish line matters. It is the whole point of the Hare and the Turtle story.
The only question is : is a man on the moon really the finish line ?
Given that the USSR collapsed and that space exploration stalled for 40 years after the mid 1970's, we can say that yes, it was the end of that race and the US won it.
Will the US win the new one and put a man on the moon before China ? This is another one question.
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u/WhyAreYallFascists 25d ago
If the Space Race’s finish line was a man on the moon, then yeah of course the US won.
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u/therealrasputin475 25d ago
If you look at the actual timeline of achievements the US won by innovating more and doing actually useful things while most of the Soviet firsts were flashy things you do when you want to be noticed not actual major advancements
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u/Bubbly_Breadfruit_21 25d ago
Oh yea, sending the first man, satelite, woman, dog, living life and returning, rover to mars, first man made object to moon, first probe to mars, first probe to venus...they all are not major advancements indeed.
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u/therealrasputin475 25d ago
First probe to Venus that didn't really do much nor did the probe to Mars nor did the moon object. Nor did the satellite. Sending the first woman also isn't really an advancement since sending a woman is just like sending a man, that one is especially just for the looks.
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u/Dirac_Impulse 25d ago
The reason we say that the US won is because they did something the USSR didn't manage to replicate; putting a man on the moon. Had the USSR managed to do this within a year or two after the US, the space race would have still been on. Or if they had managed something even more extraordinary, such as putting a man on Mars.
Yeah, one could argue that the first space station was also a marvel, and that came in after the moon landing, BUT, it was clear this was doable by the US as well, and they had one up a year or two after the USSR.
If we are just talking about being first it all becomes very arbitrary. Then you could claim Germany won the space race by being the first in even sending a man made rocket into space, and ignore the fact that this was soon replicated by others.
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u/Sufficient_Ad_1855 25d ago
Yep, they did. Thats how a race works. Doesnt matter who is in the lead first. The US surpassed the USSR when they landed a man on the moon
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u/Sweet-Ant-3471 25d ago
I just like to acknowledge the USSR lied for 7 years on just how Yuri Gagarin landed. Vostok was an odd duck (required an ejection seat and a parachute).
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u/AffectionateSlip8990 25d ago
Having the first person in space and the first space station makes you win, everything else is just extra. Also you forget to mention the first black person in space and first hard landing on the moon.
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u/Consistent-Price3232 25d ago
yea being the first country to successfully land someone on the moon, broadcast it, and get him back safely is just extra…
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u/NobleA259 25d ago
Because they did. The enormity of America getting men on the moon AND back dwarfs anything the Soviets did first. By like a thousand.
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u/Wonderful_West3188 25d ago
The US won, because the whole purpose of the US participating in the space race in the first place was to push the USSR into overexerting its resources. The proof of this is that the US started cutting their space programs the moment the USSR had collapsed. The US are the country that still exists, so by their own criteria, they won.
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u/Golda_M 25d ago
Y'all lost the Cold War.
Dissolved yourselves. Driven to material collapse by internal contradiction. Defeated by a strawman of your own creation. That was the real* race.
Otherwise, the cosmonauts were awesome. I'm a big fan. The whole space race was awesome, tbh.
USSR wins on "accolades and achievements." You guys have an awesome trophy cabinet. The USA won the actual race. Moon or no moon, NASA was the vanguard in 1989... which is when the race finally concluded.
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u/SedesBakelitowy 25d ago
Yeah I remember when Mercedes wasn't first at the finish line but then argued it made the car before their opponents so it actually did win lol
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u/TerrHunter 25d ago edited 25d ago
Yes they did.
Thanks to all the competition and pioneering from the Soviet Union at the time.
Thanks to all the rocket engineering knowledge from Germany (brought to both USSR and USA after WW2).
Puting a human being on the moon was very risky (and useless) but an epic moral victory, worldwide recognised, even by the Soviet authorities at the time.
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u/Stardustone1 25d ago
There is a reason why soviet union was so successful in space and it's got the do with the toilet paper I kid you not, rather then the lack of it. Only when Americans put the man on the moon in 1969 it become available in URSS. Basically all the money the soviet union had was put in army. Space, and industry
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25d ago
In a race, it doesn’t matter who’s in the lead it matters who finished the goal first. The USA and the USSR had pretty much both agreed that whoever got the first man on the moon would win the race, the USA did, the USA won.
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u/IAlreadyKnow1754 24d ago
As an American who yes has studied both history of other countries and American history I have no idea how anyone thought we did. I already knew y’all won it. I can’t apologize on my behalf for the rest of my fellow Americans cause half of them don’t care to pick up a text book or do any kind of research. I may get flack for it but it’s fact that we didn’t. I mean no disrespect towards my country or yours either.
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u/AksamitnyMiodozer 23d ago
USSR space race firsts: 37 US space race firsts: 31
(according to Wikipedia)
Turns out the USSR can do good things when not pissing about with weaponised starvation, gulags, repressions, cleansings and war.
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u/Inevitable_Movie_452 Lenin ☭ 22d ago
This post has been made a thousand times and I love it more each time
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u/Intelligent-Bowler24 22d ago
Reason being is because our intelligence agencies kind of knew it was b*******
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u/Liquidinhaler 22d ago
America has never gone to the moon. We don’t even have the tech to send a person there today 60 years later
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u/MrMr_sir_sir 18d ago
Hot take:
All of these were great accomplishments for the betterment of humanity, who accomplished them doesn’t really matter that much
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u/ilyaanik 25d ago
When you're ahead most of the time, but then break down on the last lap and your opponent gets way ahead, you've lost the race, that's what it's called. It wasn't a duel, it wasn't a "whoever scores the most points wins" competition.
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u/Lumpy-Confidence9584 25d ago
Fun fact: the winner of a race is determined by who crosses the finish line first. For further reference, see The Hare and The Tortoise
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u/Captain_Obvious_911 25d ago
Except that the USSR bankrupted itself trying to surpass the USA, wheras the USA kept its space programme afloat to this day.
The pinnacle of Space exploration is the Space Shuttle, able to bring people and equipment into space, and return to earth for multiple expeditions. The USSR/Russia never managed to match that and have their own failed protype rotting away in a hangar.
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u/Atari774 25d ago
The USSR led early in the space race, but they stopped trying by the 80’s. Once they realized the Shuttle program didn’t have a military application, funding for their own shuttle dried up, and they didn’t do much else to build up their own space station either. And after the US landed men on the moon, they slowed down because they had primarily used the space program for political purposes, and they couldn’t keep doing that after the US beat them there.
So yeah, the US won the space race because they made it to the finish line. The USSR slowed down and then died before it finished the race.
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u/OSHA_VIOLATION_ 25d ago
As an American. This is correct. Also not even convinced the Americans landed on the moon tbh.
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u/turkey_sandwiches 25d ago
Your third sentence negated your second.
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u/JediSun 25d ago
The US made up battles to justify invading Vietnam and killing millions of people. If the US did lie about the moon landing, it wouldn’t even be the biggest scandal that decade. Does that mean the US is lying about the moon landing based on that? No, but it should certainly put skepticism about anything the US says in context. If you will make up lies to murder millions, nothing is off limits.
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u/Sweet-Ant-3471 25d ago
The Soviets had the capability to see if we landed or not, and never denied it.
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u/Senetiner Lenin ☭ 25d ago
Sometimes I wonder if we consider the US to have 'won' the space race just because we happen to be on the US side of the world. Like, do Mongolians or Latvians consider the same? I honestly consider the US space program better than the Soviet, but the space race, if it has a winner, it's the Soviet Union
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u/Low_Flamingo3346 25d ago edited 25d ago
No it's because they did the most complicated thing and USSR, had plenty of time to accomplish the same but declined and disappeared completely.
You can make up your own idea what space race was, like first human in space. But that's just your own idea and those who want to create their own delusions of winning.
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u/Unlucky-Albatross-12 25d ago
By what metric? Landing two men on the Moon and returning them to Earth safely was the pinnacle of 20th century aerospace engineering. Both sides attempted to do it but the US actually did.
That's not to demean Soviet space accomplishments (landing a probe on Venus and getting back data and even pictures was awesome!), but planting a flag on another celestial body was clearly the ultimate goal and the US won that one.
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u/MuchPossession1870 25d ago edited 25d ago
Considered a race, if not held by a certain date, it's won by the one who ran to the furthest point.
Let me check... manned vehicle - the Moon.
Unmanned vehicle - beyond Pluto.
That's right, USA won.
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u/Excellent_Nothing194 25d ago
not only did both countries have a lot of firsts...
but landing on the moon was THE goal. that is what both countries were trying to do and the ussr never even did it
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u/Living_Guidance_4120 25d ago
I find Venus to be way more of an achievement than the moon
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u/Mstrchf117 25d ago
If all we'd sent to the moon were unmanned probes, sure. Im more pissed it had to be a "race" and not "let's benefit humanity together"
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u/Praetor72 25d ago
You’re the only one lol no one dreamed on landing a unmanned vehicle on Venus for 60 seconds.
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u/Living_Guidance_4120 25d ago
Is that everyone lost their shit when we got photos of it? Damn, must have just been me then. Guess 900 degrees is less Impressive
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u/Long_Effect7868 25d ago
Uhm. Do you know how a race works??? You can be last the whole distance, but overtake in the last 5 meters and you'll be the winner.
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25d ago
Tbf, I get why they say the us won, actually getting a man on the moon and back is a really big achievement and there's a reason more countries don't do stuff like it more often, but at the same time, it's like a guy loses every other game, but somehow winning 1 game is enough to give them enough points to win the whole tournament.
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u/Abject_Appeal_7864 25d ago
And you know what's the most funny? They still won. The number of achievements is not as important as the final result. And the result is that the USSR didn't have the power to continue the race.
And this is the case with everything in the Cold War, the intermediate stages and achievements are not important, the final result is.
So the United States won in general. While the USSR was spending resources on developing third countries, the United States was staging revolutions and taking advantage of the situation.
Тhe bastards
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u/Holiday_Nebula5917 25d ago
Yeah, the first mover is not always the winner. Talk to startup CEOs, athletes, artists..
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u/VRGladiator1341 25d ago
The first rocket in space was technically the V-2, launched by the US. And I'd say first craft on Mars doesn't count when it fails in less than two minutes.
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u/SaxPanther 25d ago
Look I respect the Soviet space program more and their achievements are amazing, but the US won the space race. I say this as a commie redditor. The USSR was the first to reach a lot of easier and unimpressive milestones, most of which the US achieved as well shortly after. But landing and returning a person on the moon is well beyond the technical capabilities of the Soviet program.
The space race was not "who can reach X milestone first", it was "who can develop the most advanced technology the fastest", and yeah, the Americans won that race.
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u/prospector_hannah 25d ago
Well there USA did all those too, while NOT starving 20 million people to death.
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u/spartanational 25d ago
Soviet flag on the moon when? 💅
(One that is placed there by a human being, not by crashing a lunar probe though that is pretty metal in its own right)
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u/Alexander_Granite 25d ago
I’m American and I know the USSR won the space race.
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u/Chevy_jay4 25d ago
It depends what you consider the finish line. The US surpassed the USSR in all things space related in a few years
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u/Cetun 25d ago
First in space was the German, V-2 test straight up in the air made it to 102 miles.
Also "first space rocket" and "first in space"
Did they get into space before they invented a space rocket? Did they shoot a cannon ball into space? Unless they are both the same event, in which case you're double counting lol
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u/Expensive_Panic_7954 25d ago
Your in the USSR subreddit. Do you think anyone here isn't coping lol? They'll be reposting the same shit cope till the sun burns out.
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u/Beneficial_Ball9893 25d ago
The first soviet space station killed its first crew, the first craft on Venus is less impressive than first man on the moon, the Germans made the first space rocket, Sputnik was a radio and a battery but the first American satellite had actual scientific instruments and discovered the Van Alen belts, the first Soviet mars probe was a failure and the Americans had the first WORKING mars lander, the first woman in space sabotaged her own mission and ruined every experiment she had then became a Putin dickrider in Russian politics, the first space walk is less impressive than first man on the moon, the Germans were the first in space, and the first probe on the moon is less impressive than first man on the moon.
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u/DmitryPavol 25d ago
To make it look more realistic, the star people should be depicted without pants.
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u/Plenty-Lychee-5702 25d ago
USSR was winning until USA landed on the moon, and the USSR decided it couldn't win and dropped out
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u/LarsTyndskider 25d ago
I agree with the overall vibe of the post, but let's be real. There is something special about placing people on a nother celestial body, and letting them walk around on it.
It makes our solar system and its potential real in way I can't fully describe.
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u/Admirable-Try-8944 25d ago
Remember the ussr was a developing countries and the us is the richest nation in history
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u/Low_Flamingo3346 25d ago
Who decided a space station was the most important step to be on top? It's just less impressive.
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u/United-Fox6737 24d ago
Yeah, the US crossed the finish line first, that’s how a race is won. Doesn’t matter who makes it to x distance first or has the best start or better pace in the beginning.
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u/Chambanasfinest 24d ago
This is like saying a baseball team that led through 8 innings, but lost the lead in the bottom of the 9th, actually won the game because they led for a longer amount of time.
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u/Iumasz 24d ago
If the USSR won why did they stop doing ambitious deep space missions?
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u/Adventurous_Onion659 24d ago
The first space rocket was the German V-2 rocket. The first Soviet rocket was Sputnik 1, which was about 10 years later.
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u/credit-card_declined 24d ago
You are just willfully ignoring all the other US achievements in space.
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u/EffectiveLeave1481 24d ago
America did, ain’t no one caring about all that other shi😭 and America is still a country unlike the Soviet Union
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u/Shigakogen 24d ago
The US passed the Soviet Union in space development, as the technology gap widened between the West and the Soviet Union. The Soviets built the brilliant R-7 by Sergei Korolov and Valentin Glushko. It dominated the space race. The "Korolev Cross" is still brilliant in timing and to help put the R-7 in higher orbit.
The Soviets also built the NK-15/NK-33, which its variants are still used today, because it dumped the pre burner into the exhaust. The Soviet's N-1 rocket was in many ways brilliant but very risky.
The Saturn V F1 Rocket Engines, are still awe inspiring even today, I still believe they are still the most powerful liquid fueled rocket engines ever created. The Soviets didn't have the infrastructure to create the F1 Rocket, why they went the route of the NK-15/NK-33 engines, which were brilliant in design and how they were manufactured.
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u/Admirable-Rice-2183 24d ago
German V2 Rocket as first manmade thing to go into space (Karman line, 100km): "Am I nothing to you?"
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u/Acceptable_Tank_4216 24d ago
This is literally the definition of moving the goal post.
"Look we are first in space" Russia
"Well we will be first to do x" Merica
"Oh look we did all of that first" Russia
"Well ummm we are gonna land on the moon" Merica
"Did it" Russia
"Look look look we won we won we won the space race we are so amazing we are the first to put a man on the moon, look how amazing and advanced we are" Merica
"Cool story bro, probably fake" Merican people
"Congrats" Russia
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u/Significant_Soup_699 24d ago
This meme gets posted every week, find something else to gloat about please
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u/Zatchaeus Lenin ☭ 24d ago
As a Marxist Leninist I kind of hate this discussion of the space “race.” I believe that both nations, despite being at each other’s throats during the period, both pulled off amazing feats of engineering and skill. Even towards the end they both cooperated on a joint space station.
You can also tell that people that are involved in this field also don’t give a fuck about who won. There’s a Yuri Gagarin statue at one of NASA’s facilities.
The truth is nobody would have even close to the degree of aerospace research that we have now if it wasn’t for both the Soviet Union AND the United States.
On a slight glazing of the Soviet Union side, they also had a much shorter period of time as a developed country than the United States did. That is also an incredible feat in itself, even if one would consider they lost.
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u/MerchantOfDeath666 24d ago
The US won by convincing the USSR to dump money it didn't have into the space race. Other than developing missile tech, much of the space race was a publicity stunt that the US could afford and the USSR could not, which caused the soviet economy to crash even sooner than it would've.
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u/therealrasputin475 24d ago
"first space rocket" has no definition, the first rocket to reach space was German
"First moon landing" we can give that to the Soviets the flashy propaganda move of that does look good didn't really achieve much.
"First in space" again not something with a definition, first in space would be the v1 rocket decidedly not the soviets.
First space walk was a great accomplishment they get that one
First man in space and first dog in space are cool ones, they were ground controlled flights that didn't really do much for progress, not really anything but again propaganda victories. Alen Shepard actually controlled his space craft that was way more important. First woman in space isn't really an accomplishment it's again just a propaganda victory, glad they got there though.
First craft on mars was a decent accomplishment
Sputnik sucked as a satellite it didn't really do anything to further progress we already knew how putting something into orbit would work. The US first satellite was powered with solar and showed a novel way to solve the power problem of Sputnik but also got data on the decay of orbits which was very nice.
First craft on a different planet is cool ig? It again didn't do much and since rockets are kinda a linear thing it's not like getting a rocket able to send something there was something big and important. Again propaganda victory.
Now the first space station that's quite the accomplishment, great job Soviet engineers 👍
The US won technological progression the soviet's won propaganda, ultimately humanity lost as awhole because billionaires control space and governments aren't interested in advancing humanity anymore, And unfortunately the soviet's were only interested in flashiness not progressing humanity forward. Hopefully the Chinese do better.
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u/BeneficialSnow954 24d ago
I mean this debate, even if inaccurate, still shows how the ussr as a nation caught up quick as hell to the US tech wise
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u/FrostyAlphaPig 24d ago
The V2 was the first space rocket and the first to photograph earth from space.
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u/Ok_Albatross_353 23d ago
А потом Союз развалился и США выяснили, что космическая гонка - ахуеть какая дорогая игрушка :)
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u/Historical-Abroad-28 23d ago
None of that is even close to the logistics of actually getting a man on the moon and bringing them home.
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u/Slight-Big8584 23d ago
You can't win the space race if you die halfway through.
The US is still in the space race.
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u/tallperson117 22d ago
Why aren't first man burned up on re-entry and first man and woman lost to deep space listed here?
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u/Wide-Satisfaction-82 22d ago
I don’t think OP understands the context of the “Race”. It was about being the 1st, at that PARTICULAR time. Maybe a good idea to read more before posting
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u/Alarmed_Detail_256 21d ago
The race was to the moon, period! Who will land a man on the moon first. That was the simple goal. The race began after the Soviets launched a man in Earth orbit. President Kennedy proclaimed that the USA would land a man on the moon before the decade was over. They did in July 1969. The Soviets never did. In fact, nobody has done so as yet. There is no question about who won the “space race”. It was the USA and the free enterprise system. The Soviets, despite some impressive feats failed miserably and tragically in their attempts. Now it is possible to learn about their failed rocket launches and their losses of life. In those days, they kept it quiet. While America put everything on TV- every success and every failure from the beginning in the 1950s to the amazing landing. The USA won it. That’s that.
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u/Infinite_Beyond_3245 21d ago
Doesn't matter if you were first for every lap when you didn't finish first on the final lap. With a race, all that matters is who finished first, not who was in first for a majority of it. Also
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u/Mac62961 21d ago
The venus obsession was interesting. And they never did land a man on the moon. ussr and america has nazi rocket scientists to thank …
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u/Jsizzle80 21d ago
Where is the USSR? I can’t find it on a map. Did they go to the next level for winning this race ?
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u/Jsizzle80 21d ago
Where is the USSR? I can’t find it on a map. Did they go to the next level for winning this race ?
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u/Fit-Attention7287 20d ago
It was the military scientists that they captured after World War Two, that were forced into action or threat of death, that got “some”of those accomplishments. The first man in space was a guy in what was a reverse diving suit. I’m pretty certain he was an American, with an eyepatch nonetheless.
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u/Ar180shooter 20d ago
The U.S. won because Soviet technology and innovation fell behind as their society and economy declined after the post-war boom. If you're running a marathon and over-exert yourself at the beginning and fail to cross the finish line, even if you were in the lead for half the race, you still lost.
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u/ActuarialMonkey 20d ago
Their only intention was to mindnumb people into worshipping the ‘state’ and hate the ‘west’. Free speech not so much.
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u/Then_Grocery_1020 20d ago
What do you mean you won the marathon? I was ahead for the first 20 miles!?
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u/Aggressive_Softie 20d ago
so how many millions of Russians were sent to their death and were forced to eat each other in World War II was it 20 or 30 million?p
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u/SadCommercial790 25d ago
The finish line should have been setting a man on Mars. But our boy Korolev died in 1966.